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RoboSlop be like "Destroy the public trust. Protect the billionaires. Ignore the law.".
Sigh.
Oh yeah forgot my thumb.
👻
Why?
"TCC [Design]" how ironic... (for those who know the RSI megademo...)
How ironic...
How ironic...
okay?
No
No, even
Nope...
How ironic...
How ironic...
glöp
lol yeah
Oh, no...
Nice style.
Be kind and respectful. Always.
↑ account created on the 2026-11-01 ↑
Slöp.
Demonstrating an extreme lack of understanding of the importance of consent
Enough with all the negativity, people ...
This is just a group of retro-computer enthousiasts having some fun.
Yes, it's low effort, but it does not claim to be anything else.
The compo rules clearly stated that "The use of AI with subtle support is permitted." and AI usage is mentioned in the scroll text.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't take away the joy of the creators.
At least the scrolltext feels personal, is honest, and shows some understanding of what the code is doing.
If AI helps non-coders to explore the platform and the compo rules allow it, why would there be a reason to give them shit for it?
This is just a group of retro-computer enthousiasts having some fun.
Yes, it's low effort, but it does not claim to be anything else.
The compo rules clearly stated that "The use of AI with subtle support is permitted." and AI usage is mentioned in the scroll text.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't take away the joy of the creators.
At least the scrolltext feels personal, is honest, and shows some understanding of what the code is doing.
If AI helps non-coders to explore the platform and the compo rules allow it, why would there be a reason to give them shit for it?
@steffest: i disagree. we we just go "oh, let them have their fun", will they be ever motivated to actually learn to do it by hand? this is not just some bedroom experiment among friends, but a release that is deliberately set in a scene context, and thus has to be judged by established scene rules. in the old days, buying an intro from an external coder for money was among the lamest things you could do - and how exactly is paying an AI with tokens to code a demo for you any different?
also, in terms of being nice to new sceners (which i totally endorse!): letting this stuff through would be extremely discouraging for all those new & young sceners of the past few years (and there are quite some!) who actually learned to code (or do music or gfx) in order to participate in the scene and earn their respect.
Here you go @Steffest. I originally gave this a piggy. You convinced me: this needs to be thumbed down. Thank you for reminding me what needs to be done and how.
to add to my last point: think about all these newcomers' corners, newbie workshops, mentors at demoparties etc., all this work done by the orgas of mountainbytes, revision etc. in this regard, the graffathons in finland - all this was about actually creating something by yourself (and in collaboration with other people)! don't you think the people who participated in these efforts and learned something their hard way might feel totally stupid and discouraged now? here's someone who generated his code & gfx with a LLM and didn't bother to learn anything of (scene-)value. are you really expect everybody to give him the same warm welcome like the one we (hopefully) have given to these newcomers? honestly, even the crummiest "hello world" basic demo has more scene spirit than AI slop pretending to be a scene production.
I guess I should’ve been more explicit in my initial comment, but just to clarify: The misogyny in the title alone would’ve been enough for me to think less of this production. And, when you think of it, it’s kind of a self-own already to imply that your computer doesn’t want to be touch by you, huh?
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No one is taking anything away from anyone. They're absolutely free to enjoy whatever they want. If you don't like it, that's fine, but don't take away the joy of the creators.
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Do you really have to ask?If AI helps non-coders to explore the platform and the compo rules allow it, why would there be a reason to give them shit for it?
runs smooth and flawless on real hardware. very clichéd all around. we've seen and heard worse, but doesn't really make juice dripping from the possey
Would be preferable in every way possible that stuff such as this was declared as to which parts, bits and pieces were made with AI (obviously not the music from ~1991) and how they were made (very presumably with AI). Jinx_TCC, it's not too late, I guess...
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Will they be ever motivated to actually learn to do it by hand?
So, then maybe it would be better to tell them this in the comments. Maybe with some links to nice sites that teach the art of coding. You can of course still downvote the stuff, but the comment would add a value instead of the permanent »AI Slop«, »Sigh« or »Why«.
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This is just a group of retro-computer enthousiasts having some fun.
And?
Does it mean they should, by all means, release something to for ex. mark their existance on the scene?
If so, then I can assume that back in the days they would probably have bought some sources from the coders. Or pay for the intro. Or use RSI demomaker.
Wake up!
The reason one can DO sth because the AI is here, does NOT mean that it should be done.
Or sth like:
"Look mum, I can do what they are doing, as well."
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So, then maybe it would be better to tell them this in the comments. Maybe with some links to nice sites that teach the art of coding.
You think? Hmmm, let’s think about it…
Nah, 💩 is enough.
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how exactly is paying an AI with tokens to code a demo for you any different?
Yes, it's a lame tool.
Equally lame as paying for Notch?
Certainly coding your own effects is way cooler (it is!)
Paying for Photoshop?
Certainly making your own graphics editor is way cooler (it is!, or better, learn how to draw with paper and pencil)
Paying for for Ableton Live or FL Studio?
Certainly making your own music engine is way cooler (it is! Or even better, learn how to play a real instrument)
My point is: it's just a tool. Yes, a lame one, but still a tool.
Shit in, shit out.
In the hands of skilled and creative people, it can really improve the results (as the recent C64 demos of e.g. Extend show)
People should disclose what tool was uses briefly, then people can give their thumb up or down, and move on.
But this overly priggish negativity towards AI is just getting annoying, boring and it's hurting the scene more than any AI every could.
(All IMHO ofcourse)
P.S. hugs to @dipswitch, of course, sorry to hijack this thread.
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last but not least i have to admit that a project like this would not have been doable alone without the help of ai
this is just a blatantly untrue statement and it makes me so sad .... it wouldve been doable without ai and it wouldve been so awesome without ai :(
Steffest, with all due respect, I think it really is more than "just a tool", for many reasons (one of them is that you can't pirate it like Photoshop of FL, but there are many more deep and serious reasons). I hope that these topics can be elaborated in lenght in some form in the near future without burying them in a prod thread.
As for the prod: I still stand by my opinion that the negative reactions are fully justified. This is not about using AI as s tool, this is comparable to using RSI Demomaker or, even worse, buying an intro for your group from someone else.
As for the prod: I still stand by my opinion that the negative reactions are fully justified. This is not about using AI as s tool, this is comparable to using RSI Demomaker or, even worse, buying an intro for your group from someone else.
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But this overly priggish negativity towards AI is just getting annoying, boring and it's hurting the scene more than any AI every could.
This is because you use it.
true art
Pretty much what @Steffest said. Thanks for saying it.
This demo sucks anyway, who cares? it's lame as fuck we've had much better one in the recent years. banal design and a very long quite boring tune.
The fact they used AI, so paid for this, is actually quite funny.
(we all realise AI in the hands of the right people makes them release better demos than the idiots who use it… but honestly? it's not really what matters.)
The fact they used AI, so paid for this, is actually quite funny.
(we all realise AI in the hands of the right people makes them release better demos than the idiots who use it… but honestly? it's not really what matters.)
@Steffest
Everything you’re saying using your “common sense” has been debunked a 100 times over in various (in fact all) serious circles. This is the typical lumpen zen wannabe “i am smart” pose. Utter lack of understanding the world. You’re just making an uninformed, ignorant fool of yourself. It’s not the LLM, it’s YOU that’s being used as a tool. Those who applaud you are on that same level I guess.
Everything you’re saying using your “common sense” has been debunked a 100 times over in various (in fact all) serious circles. This is the typical lumpen zen wannabe “i am smart” pose. Utter lack of understanding the world. You’re just making an uninformed, ignorant fool of yourself. It’s not the LLM, it’s YOU that’s being used as a tool. Those who applaud you are on that same level I guess.
@4gentE
Ok then, hugs for you as well.
Did we ever meet? I don't think so.
You seem like a reasonably smart person. Apparently we don't agree and I am - without any irony - interested to get to know why you see things like you do.
Let's have a beer together at some demoparty.
Ok then, hugs for you as well.
Did we ever meet? I don't think so.
You seem like a reasonably smart person. Apparently we don't agree and I am - without any irony - interested to get to know why you see things like you do.
Let's have a beer together at some demoparty.
Not bad! Love the music. Nice group name, by the way. :]
scamp, are you alright? you never would have thumbed up such a lame demomaker prod back in the days..
I guess it's just about trolling and swimming upstream nowadays. Sad.
I guess it's just about trolling and swimming upstream nowadays. Sad.
@Steffest: Is it being used as a tool here, though? To borrow one of my favourite quotes on the subject of AI - I'd say that depends on whether it's being used to remove barriers to participation, or to remove participation itself. Yes, like Photoshop it can be used to enhance the creative process (and that's the moderate view - I suspect that some people here would not even accept that much) - but if it's taking over the work to the point that the user of the tool is no longer performing the original task in any meaningful sense, then it ceases to be a tool. You wouldn't call a restaurant a cookery tool, or IKEA flatpack furniture a woodworking tool.
In fairness, we don't know where on that creative input scale this prod lies, because all we've been told is that it's been made with the "help" of AI - which could be as little as asking it how to implement a particular algorithm. But given that they've chosen to credit themselves for "design" rather than code, I'm not hopeful.
In fairness, we don't know where on that creative input scale this prod lies, because all we've been told is that it's been made with the "help" of AI - which could be as little as asking it how to implement a particular algorithm. But given that they've chosen to credit themselves for "design" rather than code, I'm not hopeful.
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this is not just some bedroom experiment among friends, ...
This made me scratch my head. How do you know this was not just some bedroom experiment among friends? (It was exactly this as far as I know).
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but a release that is deliberately set in a scene context, and thus has to be judged by established scene rules
Oh, this sounds scary.
As Steffest pointed out, the "scene context" here was an event which explicitly allowed AI generated content. And I have faith that the scene is not just a tribunal directed community where everything "has to be judged by the established scene rules" but stays open minded, generally.
If you don't like to see AI content, wouldn't it be more suitable to:
a) not pay attention to the prod
b) comment in a way that encourages to do less AI, optionally in a polite way
c) contribute to Pouet technical enhancements, e.g. for limiting or tagging AI prods?
I don't like AI prods myself, but I think the people behind this did nothing wrong here, for sure had no bad intentions and do not need to be humiliated like that. It's just not, well, kind...
@505, what's with the tone policing? if you like to tolerate AI slop, feel free, but don't force others to tolerate it. as for your frowning about "judging by scene rules", i'm a bit surprised given that you're an older scener than i am. i don't know much about atari, but on amiga/c64/pc there were always some rules that had to be followed, like "no ripping", "no stealing within the scene", "no buying creative skills and pass them off as your own" etc. also, demomaker releases were never particularly highly rated. what happened here touches upon some of these tenets.
but i'm really fed up with explaining the same things over and over again every day in prod comments.
but i'm really fed up with explaining the same things over and over again every day in prod comments.
@Steffest
100%
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In the hands of skilled and creative people, it can really improve the results (as the recent C64 demos of e.g. Extend show)
People should disclose what tool was uses briefly, then people can give their thumb up or down, and move on.
But this overly priggish negativity towards AI is just getting annoying, boring and it's hurting the scene more than any AI every could.
100%
@dipswitch: Fair enough, let's leave it at that.
On the one hand, they wrote that they use AI. Kudos for being honest.
On the other hand, we are in an infinite loop of slop.
They need an own scene, being marked. As long as pouet and demozoo allow this, we won't be able to get this controlled, at least here.
On the other hand, we are in an infinite loop of slop.
They need an own scene, being marked. As long as pouet and demozoo allow this, we won't be able to get this controlled, at least here.
On the one hand they shat all over what the scene is about, but on the other hand they told us nicely that they did 🤗
If I want to watch this, how to best run it? Do I need a local Amiga emulator installed? Or is there a web one? Any pointers?
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if this prod is a fake, some info is false or the download link is broken,
do not post about it in the comments, it will get lost.
instead, click here !
Why was this made?