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the drone ambience was nice, too bad it's AI

glöp

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like the fact that we're just getting so many of these proves it's worthlessness.

Faaaaaart

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I'd prefer if you went to a running competition instead of releasing slop pay-to-win to the scene. Think about it: it's as easy on the brain as is prompting, the skill required to do it only becomes evident after you do it for years, most people won't notice or care when you don't have skill, there's a lot of attention to be gained, ...

Sucks

@deadquiet42: thanks for that acknowledgment. It’s obvious you’re really interested in intros and their aesthetics. I’d really encourage you to stick around and try learning how to make stuff with no AI - you’ve clearly got an eye for a certain “look” and I really don’t think it’d be as hard as you’re imagining to create something you think is cool without an LLM.

If a fool like me can manage stuff in shadertoy, so can you. There’s loads of people around to help. Try it!

Slop.

And on the miniscule chance that you were doing this supposedly in good faith, what Tom said.

what tom said. and i really hope you follow that path - and unlike 30 years ago, there are a lot of people willing to help you if you want to learn.

And please feel free to check out the tutorials at http://hugi.scene.org/online/coding/ - I collected them in the course of 18 years to help newcomers learn to code demos.

Oh great, more of this fucking sucking shit

@deadquiet42



You did not disrespect the scene, the scene disrespected you.

We should welcome new people instead of acting like elitist twats.
You clearly have a keen eye for design, so I hope you continue.
And yeah, after a learning curve, you'll find that the more you shift to "all you" and away from AI, the more rewarding it gets.

wth

"we should", hey don't talk for me @Steffest

shoehorn us all into "elitist twats", you don't know the elitist twats (or you hid from them back then?)
The elitist twats were people calling your first stuff "shit" when you poured REAL effort into it, when you had the balls to show up, young and innocent, and get shat on for real with honest work you provided… that scene is long gone.

What Steffest said.

@Steffest
You told me in some other prod's comment section "You seem like a reasonably smart person." I think the same of you.

What baffles me is this:



Why do you think anybody would shift from "all AI" to "all himself" with passing of time? Especially if the first "all AI" introduction gets a warm welcome. Where would that incentive to do things the harder way come from? AI is like a drug that even some long time sceners eventually succumb to. That's the general direction. Nobody goes in the other direction, especially if not warned.

I think it depends on the personality of the artist whether he/she will adopt AI. If he/she is more process-oriented, he/she will shun AI, but if he/she is more output-oriented, he/she might embrace AI.

Actually the demoscene only started to consider itself a computer art community in fairly recent times. Before that, demo making was regarded as a craft. As we see with the feedback AI prods get, many sceners still prioritize the process over the output. However, this attitude might change, or the scene might split into two factions.

@4gentE



Because people gravitate towards authenticity, and recognise it.
In other productions but also in their own work.

My first "productions" when I was 14 was changing the scrolltext in some bootblock intro and copying ripped images into some demomaker.
Ok, I did not release that, obviously, but I still had a feeling of "hey! that worked! I did a thing! Let's do that again, but better"
Deep down, you obviously knew using demomakers was lame, but the skills for more were not there yet.
Same with AI: people using it, know it's lame, and fake.
So, or they quit after some time because doing fake stuff gets boring fast, or they learn from it, move on and find a more full-filling way.
Because, in the end, why do we keep creating demoscene releases? For fame and glory? Naah, because it's fun and full-filling, and using AI takes that away in the end.

Yeah, I know I'm naïve, am a Sundays-child and see the world through rose coloured glasses. Good times, though.

anyway - prod comments are not the place for long teary-eyed proza.
(again, better over a beer)

There's a hell of a point buried in that side remark.

Ultra-minimal and pretty cool, especially the sound. Made with local AI, a glimpse into the future.
Your style reminds a bit of Kanji Nakajima (more apparent in dq03). Moar please.

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@Steffest: "Same with AI: people using it, know it's lame, and fake." - no, they don't. At least most of them. And they won't if others won't give them the hint.

Yep, Steffest looks like the type of people who wait for being super good before joining the scene and be like LOOK AT MY STUFF (btw, you know better dear Steffest that using Live ain't lame… be thankful for Ableton Live before it's been REA-ed the fuck and they close door, would you?)

I say "look like" because he appears in 2023, youtube videos show he was doing other stuff before, so creative technologist turned retro computer magician after some xtra work.


The extra work matter, the journey, not the end.

There’s too much irrational hate here. Just ignore it. You’re exploring new technologies, and on your own PC, no less.

I commend you for using an open-source model (a small Qwen with just 7B parameters) locally, rather than relying on Claude as other AI users do. You’ve taken a step in the right direction: toward sovereignty in your use of AI.

Every artist should have control on the set of tools they use and, consequently, run all them on their own machines. Fuck corporations!

Keep it up and explore further possibilities. Train your own models, or fine-tune the open source models you’re already using.

@Steffest:
It is really intersting how you defend the AI productions...
The AI here, which in fact - in some way - destroys the part of the scene.
The place where ppl, many ppl spent many, MANY sleepless nights to do things on their own.

@User #2019: yep.

Soon, any new dude, with some AI experience, gonna create a Pouet account and post his fresh "production".

As it is/was the case here. Account created 2 days ago, if I am not mistakern, then the production posted yesterday. For what? For reading "likes"?

Pouet != FB!
Pouet is a ressource for the SCENE and NOT for "Look ppl, look what I created".

Why not to craff the skills silently on its own and show it when it is mature?

I do not know, but really...
Soon Pouet gonna be flooded with many the prods like that.

@sim



Oh, I'm not. At all.
I just wanted to speak out against the overly hostile and rude attitude towards anything that smells like AI, especially to newcomers.
And then somehow (or inevitably?) it turned into an endless AI-discussion, again.

All I wanted to say was
"Keep it civil, people, no need to throw shit around"
Doing "something" is already infinite better than doing nothing, even if it's crap.
Totally fine to thumb down if you don't like it.
And if it's a new account, say why, instead of the endless "slop, glöp, fart, puke, shit" replies.

There. I'll shut up now.

Maybe shut up and disappear.

I used to think you make cool shit but you know what, you also smell like shit.
Go back to your retro forums.

@Steffest:
Ta for your answer =). Hope you did not feel bad.

About
"'(...)rude attitude towards anything that smells like AI, especially to newcomers(...)."

I think I understand you... But ;)...

Personally I do not think that saying "No, it sucks" is rude, when it.. sucks.

You know, those so called "newcommers" should perhaps, at least some of them, to learn in a hard way. As we partially had. Nothing comes easy (unfortunately).

They have, usually had everything within the reach of their hands (hacked games, music, movies and other goods...), they spend a lot of theirs entire lives in front of the screen, since they were almost born with a phone in their hands ;).
They know better then me what bashing is.

Perhaps instead of being "politically polite" to them, they should start to work harder, to sweat, to try and try and try before they got a half-good result (not even a good result, but half).

Better to have a cold shower now then later.
Better to learn the rules now.

Do not you think?...

Greetz!