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Red Heaven by Hoodlum [web]
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screenshot added by comankh on 2019-08-18 22:18:27
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release date : august 2019
release party : Evoke 2019
compo : pc demo
ranked : 1st
  • rulez 22
  • is ok 21
  • sucks 20
popularity : 60%
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  • rulez 0.03
alltime top: #17837
  • unix unix [Code, Graphics]
added on the 2019-08-18 21:32:59 by HanSi23 HanSi23

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awesome
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 21:57:34 by Steel Steel
Really awesome indeed!
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:16:58 by ROOT808 ROOT808
seizure warning! :D
added on the 2019-08-18 22:22:57 by Leander Leander
stylish
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:36:23 by metalvoidzz metalvoidzz
Sampling "when I leave a pussy wet" ? by $UICIDEBOY$ - Carrollton
What were you thinking?
Angel of Grief ?
The man with no kneecaps?

This is is so random I don't what this is doing at #1. I get the whole gothic industrial vibe but this is way to much teenage angst. The models are of such a high detail it doesn't fit any of the other elements. If I didnd't knew better I would say they are ripped but I see credits for TooManyDemons so I guess he willingly contributed some highpoly models for free to this release.

Demo has some potential, for example the scene with the man suddenly showing his head was pretty nice. But this is no number 1 material by any standards, considering the competition at this years Evoke. Firm thumbdown mainly because of this.
sucks added on the 2019-08-18 22:41:43 by numtek numtek
Pure awesomeness! Unix did some nice intros for hoodlum on amiga back in the 90s.
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 22:59:59 by Cebit Cebit
Lmao, this is insanely garbage and I have no clue why this shit won.
sucks added on the 2019-08-18 23:01:21 by okkie okkie
I mean... it's got a decent amount of content and some thematic logic to it, but it's stapled together with zero care and with an eye from 15 year ago... So yeah, not great.
added on the 2019-08-18 23:08:23 by Gargaj Gargaj
I think this demo was overall very cool, esp as a lover of industrial themed stuff, totally suits that Hoodlum mantra.

Todays demos are all about effects, its nice to see something that stands out and is different, unix you did great!
added on the 2019-08-18 23:11:05 by paydirt paydirt
not my fav of the compo, still a good demo
rulez added on the 2019-08-18 23:11:59 by wullon wullon
Not my cup of tea.
sucks added on the 2019-08-18 23:14:39 by Ciclope Ciclope
tons of stolen stuff under the garbage style, I really hate it
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 03:17:08 by FMS_Cat FMS_Cat
also shoutouts to the screenflash, it pretty hurts. are you psychopass
added on the 2019-08-19 03:19:56 by FMS_Cat FMS_Cat
Killer demo. instant 5 stars ;) more of this
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 09:20:07 by NR4 NR4
I like it.

Even if one cannot discuss about taste and it is ok that some people obviously really dislike this production...

I think accusing of a sample being ripped from a real life-piece of music is a bit over the top - if that´s the scale, you can basically say the same about the majority of music in demo productions that is using vocal samples. In most cases, these were samples from external sources and (maybe) afterwards modified.
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 09:28:46 by Dascon Dascon
Well amount of tech put into what you're showing in the end is... impressive!

I kinda like it somehow (may be it reminds me 90s or something?) and thumbing it up is tempting, esp. when i see thumb downs from people who I remember were giving props to demos that had the same problems with design and direction as this one.
added on the 2019-08-19 10:27:54 by ton ton
what a load of crap. evoke voting was so fucked up.
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 10:57:48 by spike spike
Nice and a lewd track :P
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 11:04:45 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
Very stylish, great music, enjoyable !
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 11:32:19 by aLpHa oNe aLpHa oNe
Quote:
I think accusing of a sample being ripped from a real life-piece of music is a bit over the top
Ho wait. I'm not doing that.
I sampled many vocals, some of them have been sampled by others as well. I try to avoid this but hey stuff happens.

I'm more bothered by the fact that they leve the pussy wet though.
added on the 2019-08-19 11:57:52 by numtek numtek
Can't stand the music and the visuals aren't really my cup of tea either. Still OK demo though.
added on the 2019-08-19 12:01:28 by StingRay StingRay
looks like a really bad demo from 2003 and made by 15yo
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 12:48:53 by Maali Maali
It feels like a Nextempire production for this generation. Some of the stuff like the modelling have a quality to themselves, but as a whole it's just... no.
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 13:24:18 by Preacher Preacher
redheaven.dat is a password protected zip file. For those who can't stop their curiosity (like me), the password is pUssy!61
added on the 2019-08-19 13:36:03 by bruce bruce
I couldn't understand why it was shown last in the compo, and even less why it won - feels very "thrown together" and apparently sb. is stuck in his horny teenage mindset
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 14:43:23 by v3nom v3nom
i quite like this. i think there are some interesting ideas in there. but the various elements (music, 2d, 3d, pacing, editing) are all way too incongruous. and the tune could do without that sample.. even if the musician really is an angsty 15 year old. piggy

also.. should have placed lower, but i'm not going to rate it based on that
added on the 2019-08-19 14:55:15 by evilpaul evilpaul
To be honest, at first I was quite happy to see unix/HLM finally winning the compo of a bigger demoparty with his demos because I really like his former, dreamy, anime-like demos even if they feel a bit thrown together. And even if they might contain some "3rd party" content. But these demos got a lot of soul. But now this mediocre production won and I *really* dislike this song. Unix, your other demos were better and Evoke voters, you suck! No thumb though, just my 2 cents.
added on the 2019-08-19 15:19:09 by neoman neoman
What Preacher said, also thought of NEXTEMPIRE while watching this. Horribly ugly, cheesy, childish.
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 15:45:27 by break break
> Horribly ugly, cheesy, childish.
it is exactly what I wanted to say
added on the 2019-08-19 16:11:34 by FMS_Cat FMS_Cat
Badly ripped and mixed assets. Blurry fonts. There's so much off with this demo I wouldn't even really know where to begin. So many different mediums thrown together in the most random order I've ever witnessed.
Nothing really added together for one moment.
Blurry font textures, ripped manga video, badly scanned 3D terrain. The list go's on and on.
That this was shown last blew my mind.
That it came 1st made me seriously wonder what went wrong with the scoring...
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 18:13:22 by andr0 andr0
the fat tune does not fit the visuals imho. there are some nice scenes but overall this is too chaotic/messy for me. unfortunately the most good looking thing is the credits/greets scroller at the end. oink.
*cough* RIPPED SOUNDTRACK *cough*
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 18:30:28 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
A variety of "borrowed" assets with 2003-era overlays.
sucks added on the 2019-08-19 18:53:36 by phoenix phoenix
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rulez added on the 2019-08-19 19:31:21 by chromag chromag
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rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:08:02 by Sir Sir
oink. yeah voting sucked this time but as for demo it's worth a piggie (but no more :)
added on the 2019-08-19 20:31:43 by wbc\\bz7 wbc\\bz7
AWESOME
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 20:59:51 by ozan ozan
I liked it.. Yes, it´s a little weird with those video sequences. But it creates a tension. And as far as I can tell, they had the permission to use the soundtrack. Some comments could hurt here..
rulez added on the 2019-08-19 21:15:05 by Virgill Virgill
i liked most of the 3d models but i found every other element of the demo stale or flat-out annoying and pretentious
added on the 2019-08-19 22:26:19 by nagz nagz
It feels so non-demoish.
sucks added on the 2019-08-20 00:20:16 by Zplex Zplex
I can't help but like this. The "mishmash" of different styles can be seen as a synthesis of past demo aesthetics. Its own kind of insular vaporwave, if you will. The form of "angst demo" is very familiar to everybody by now, but maybe these demos are like blues songs? Formulaic, no exceptional skill at play, yet wonderful if you're in the mood.

The meshes don't seem ripped to me and actually look like they were computed via photogrammetry which is not very common to demos. Regarding the song, like Virgill wrote, it's better to grant the authors the benefit of doubt. I'm not sure if that music was a good fit to the visual side though.

I believe there's dignity in working with your own shit tools. Techwise this seems like a custom DirectX 12 engine and such endeavors should be encouraged. Different workflows result in different outcomes and I'd like to see those outcomes, even if they are of archaic variety.

Leave my angst demos alone!
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 00:52:00 by cce cce
It's not much more than the sum of its parts and all the parts are from the internet
sucks added on the 2019-08-20 02:05:28 by slerpy slerpy
I was alive during the VIP2-invite discussion.
added on the 2019-08-20 10:53:20 by No-XS No-XS
Really like it !
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 11:29:58 by vLK vLK
uhh
added on the 2019-08-20 12:17:14 by Flashy Flashy
Quote:
*cough* RIPPED SOUNDTRACK *cough*


oh
sucks added on the 2019-08-20 12:24:29 by nagz nagz
Not that bad as one could think from comments.
added on the 2019-08-20 12:24:59 by Serpent Serpent
Even if they had permission to use the track and the models, videos and animations were all free to use it's still mostly a badly thrown together collection of things found on the internet mixed with some ok effects and bad typography.
sucks added on the 2019-08-20 12:26:22 by dodke dodke
What ripped soundtrack btw? In nfo all kind of credits are given so at least it's not been actively hidden, though of course it's bad IF there's no permission to use it.
added on the 2019-08-20 12:27:05 by Serpent Serpent
Not my kind of angst, but this is pretty consistent with its style. Not bad at all.
Quite enjoyable. Doesn't deserve all the negativity.
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 19:18:50 by Mystra Mystra
actually one of the most memorable soundtracks in the democompo, and i'm sure it was used with permission. not always the best demo wins, but the bashing seems to be a bit more than normal, it ain't that bad. and yeah the overall demo compo quality let some wishes open, but then again, the 4k compo rocked.
rulez added on the 2019-08-20 22:25:04 by teo teo
Could be great but with such controversial content and lack of polishing it just can't stand against any of the Shads, including the MS DOS versions that were low poly and huge pixels. But I believe it could be different experience at the big screen with booze in hands.
added on the 2019-08-20 22:43:01 by hollowone hollowone
Looks like someone first punched a screwdriver through each of the team's pair of eyes and then told them to make something that stylewise resembled VIP2 by Popsy Team but then were instructed to make it look like the equivalent of holding your puke in for a couple of minutes.
sucks added on the 2019-08-21 00:24:54 by superplek superplek
the demo itself is not bad at all but "leaving the pussy wet" deserves a firm thumb down
sucks added on the 2019-08-21 01:49:27 by rock rock
this is terrible, I guess the drugs were strong at evoke, the overlays with the linkin park font and emo poetry, the 3D scenes, the lighting, it's all very 15 years ago
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 02:04:46 by Weyland Yutani Weyland Yutani
jeez I meant to thumb it down...
Quote:
but "leaving the pussy wet" deserves a firm thumb down
Because of the vulgarity or because you prefer proper English when men who hadn't had sex in 15 years refer to female genitalia?
added on the 2019-08-21 02:20:52 by superplek superplek
Quote:
Quote:
but "leaving the pussy wet" deserves a firm thumb down
Because of the vulgarity or because you prefer proper English when men who hadn't had sex in 15 years refer to female genitalia?


because i dont feel comfortable "leaving the pussy wet"
added on the 2019-08-21 02:43:33 by rock rock
The soundtrack is ”Demons watching” by Naybr. It’s on spotify etc, thankfully without the vocals. I much prefer it without them.
added on the 2019-08-21 10:48:36 by Byproduct Byproduct
Don't like the style and the music. You also forget many sources of your rip or perhaps you'll stole things without knowing the authors. I don't thing to thanks only Frank Miller it's enough. Put all your inspirations abd rip sources on credits like who are the authors behind this animation of Manga/Anims. Not a honest prod.
sucks added on the 2019-08-21 12:36:10 by Black Dragon Black Dragon
A hollow reimagining of the 1990s teen angst demo style; just without any heft and grit (or the sheer style of something like bakkslide 7), but with a lot of "borrowed" assets instead. :(
sucks added on the 2019-08-21 16:04:59 by tomaes tomaes
i think this is much better than the previous unix/hoodlum demos. still, it's kind of random, and, worst of all, the lyrics don't fit the mood and message of the demo AT ALL. i don't see any problem with a sexually explicit sample in a demo, but if it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest, why use it? the only "excuse" is that unix didn't get what the sample is saying - to be honest, i couldn't work it out either during the compo.
added on the 2019-08-21 17:32:45 by dipswitch dipswitch
I like this, even if it's based a lot on stolen content and is a bit all over the place.

There are a lot of people in this thread who seem to have left their empathy at home for the week though.
rulez added on the 2019-08-21 18:24:22 by lug00ber lug00ber
This can disturbingly easy be read as being about rape/sexual abuse:
Warning: Sexual Content
All females are angels, rather unhappy, crying, bleeding, praying for help - all males are demons.
Lyrics about being trapped in yourself, feeling like a slave in chains, being used, not being able to talk about it to anybody, pondering whether death is a solution, no healthy perspective for a future, misantrophy.
The sea of blood, the aggressive music and the rapper - who cannot stress enough to give her no rest - support it aswell.
(This was probably not the intended design, just interesting to me how well this fits)

There are effects and credits to what was borrowed (i beg to differ between stolen with no (or obfuscated) credits and borrowed with proper credits), in my book alot better Demo than the kevintro that won Revision ^^
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 15:13:23 by r1g8 r1g8
Despite massive amount of 'borrowed' content I still like the result, feels fresh, the music is epic and nicely synced to the visuals. Waiting for more.
rulez added on the 2019-08-22 21:07:40 by Nitro/Black Sun Nitro/Black Sun
The sum is more than its parts. Creating art that triggers extreme reactions is something I truly admire!
rulez added on the 2019-08-23 09:34:54 by spiderj spiderj
smash design forever

the biggest insult here is wasting a good track (which i don't really care if it's "ripped" or not) for such a mediocre demo with hardly any attention to detail

i think i'd actually like this if it was made with hackers' tongue in cheek mischievousness but it seems you were actually serious

also what cce said, though
added on the 2019-08-26 17:25:46 by noby noby
.............
added on the 2019-08-28 20:11:04 by Frequent Frequent
Smash Design and Bomb come to mind, but why on earth did this win?!
added on the 2019-08-31 17:34:23 by raer raer
I liked watching it at home, and it could be a great demo. Also the music would be great, but this ridiculous "Pussy Wet" stuff kills it. And as far I read in other comments, there are ripped/stolen components.
added on the 2019-09-09 18:44:09 by Chainsaw Chainsaw

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