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The scene and autism?

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This is a serious question. I'm fearing that this thread will be just another semi-random image thread and/or start a chain of threads starting with "The scene and ADHD" (Interesting question, actually) and then move downwards towards "The scene and diabetes", "The scene and leukemia" and finally "The scene and root canal filling"
That's a risk I find worth taking.

So, I've met two sceners with autism spectrum diagnoses (They'll remain unnamed, but both were girls, that much I'll say) I've met even more sceners which I suspect might be on the autism spectrum.
So my question is, is there a connection? Is autism a a defining part of the scene.
I think the common landmarks of the scene, (Such as technical perfection and technical perfection (sic)) are a bit like autistic traits. So what do you other people think?
added on the 2006-07-24 23:43:01 by nitro2k01 nitro2k01
hey i have diabetes - who else ??ß
added on the 2006-07-24 23:46:00 by 4kum4 4kum4
You mean autism like in obsessing over details?
added on the 2006-07-24 23:56:42 by El Topo El Topo
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism:

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Autism is classified as a neurodevelopmental disorder which manifests itself in markedly abnormal social interaction, communication ability, patterns of interests, and patterns of behavior. Although the specific etiology of autism is unknown, many researchers suspect that autism results from genetically mediated vulnerabilities to environmental triggers. ... the National Institute of Mental Health gives a more conservative estimate of one in 1000. ... Although autism is about 3 to 4 times more common in boys, girls with the disorder tend to have more severe symptoms and greater cognitive impairment. Diagnosis is based on a list of psychiatric criteria, and a series of standardized clinical tests may also be used. ... By definition, autism must manifest delays in "social interaction, language as used in social communication, or symbolic or imaginative play," with "onset prior to age 3 years", according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. The ICD-10 also requires symptoms to be "manifest before the age of three years." There have been large increases in the reported incidence of autism, for reasons that are heavily debated by researchers in psychology and related fields within the scientific community. ...

Characteristics

There is a great diversity in the skills and behaviors of individuals diagnosed as autistic, and physicians will often arrive at different conclusions about the appropriate diagnosis. Much of this is due to the sensory system of autistics, which is quite different from the sensory system of other people, since certain stimulations can affect an autistic differently than a non-autistic, and the degree to which the sensory system is affected varies wildly from one autistic person to another.

Nevertheless, professionals within pediatrics, child psychology, behavior analysis, and child development often look for early indicators of autism in order to initiate treatment as early as possible for the greatest benefit. However, some people do not believe in treatment for autism, either because they do not believe autism is a disorder or because they believe treatment can do more harm than good.

Social development

Typically, developing infants are social beings—early in life they do such things as gaze at people, turn toward voices, grasp a finger, and even smile. In contrast, most autistic children prefer objects to faces and seem to have tremendous difficulty learning to engage in the give-and-take of everyday human interaction. Even in the first few months of life, many seem indifferent to other people because they avoid eye contact and do not interact with them as often as non-autistic children.

Autistic children often appear to prefer being alone to the company of others and may passively accept such things as hugs and cuddling without reciprocating, or resist attention altogether. Later, they seldom seek comfort from others or respond to parents' displays of anger or affection in a typical way. Research has suggested that although autistic children are attached to their parents, their expression of this attachment may be unusual and difficult to interpret. Parents who looked forward to the joys of cuddling, teaching, and playing with their child may feel crushed by this lack of expected attachment behavior.

According to Simon Baron-Cohen, autistic children often also appear to lack a "theory of mind", the ability to see things from another person's perspective, a behavior cited as exclusive to human beings above the age of five and, possibly, other higher primates such as adult gorillas, chimpanzees and bonobos. Typical 5-year-olds can develop insights into other people's different knowledge, feelings, and intentions, interpretations based upon social cues (e.g., gestures, facial expressions). An autistic individual may lack these interpretation skills, an inability that leaves them unable to predict or understand other people's actions.

The social alienation of autistic and Asperger's people can be so intense from childhood that many of them report having imaginary friends or inventing imaginary worlds or scenarios. Making friends in real life, and maintaining those friendships, can be difficult.

Although not universal, it is common for autistic people not to be able to regulate their behavior. This can take the form of crying or verbal outbursts that may seem out of proportion to the situation or self-injurious behaviours. Autistic individuals generally prefer consistent routines and environments; they may react negatively to changes in them. It is not uncommon for these individuals to exhibit aggression, increased levels of self-stimulatory behavior, self-injury or extensive withdrawal in overwhelming situations.

Sensory system

A key indicator to clinicians making a proper assessment for autism would include looking for symptoms much like those found in sensory integration dysfunction. Children will exhibit problems coping with the normal sensory input. Indicators of this disorder include oversensitivity or underreactivity to touch, movement, sights, or sounds; physical clumsiness or carelessness; poor body awareness; a tendency to be easily distracted; impulsive physical or verbal behavior; an activity level that is unusually high or low; not unwinding or calming oneself; difficulty learning new movements; difficulty in making transitions from one situation to another; social and/or emotional problems; delays in speech, language or motor skills; specific learning difficulties/delays in academic achievement.

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Communication difficulties

By age 3, typical children have passed predictable language learning milestones; one of the earliest is babbling. By the first birthday, a typical toddler says words, turns when he or she hears his or her name, points when he or she wants a toy, and when offered something distasteful, makes it clear that the answer is "no." It should be noted, however, that late language development does occur in a minority of neurotypical children.

Speech development in people with autism takes different paths to the majority of neurotypical children. Some remain mute throughout their lives with varying degrees of literacy; communication in other ways—images, visual clues, sign language, and typing may be far more natural to them. Contrary to the prevailing traditional stereotype of mute people with Kanner-type autism, around one third of people diagnosed with this type of autism will develop what is often viewed as dysfunctional verbal language, relying on rote learned stored phrases, songs, jingles and advertisements. Those with the autism spectrum condition of Semantic Pragmatic Disorder fall into this group.

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Some people with high functioning Autism can be extremely brilliant and have great vocabulary, but their social skills can be very low, even nonexistent at times. ... Still, inability to speak does not mean that people with autism are unintelligent or unaware. Once given appropriate accommodations, some will happily converse for hours, and can often be found in online chat rooms, discussion boards or websites and even using communication devices at autism-community social events such as Autreat.

Sometimes, the body language of people with autism can be difficult for other people to understand. Facial expressions, movements, and gestures may be easily understood by some other people with autism, but do not match those used by other people. Also, their tone of voice has a much more subtle inflection in reflecting their feelings, and the auditory system of a person without autism often cannot sense the fluctuations. What seems to non-autistic people like odd prosody ; things like a high-pitched, sing-song, or flat, robot-like voice may be common in autistic children and some will have combinations of these prosody issues. Some autistic children with relatively good language skills speak like little adults, rather than communicating at their current age level, which is one of the things that can lead to problems.

Since non-autistic people are often unfamiliar with the autistic body language, and since autistic natural language may not tend towards speech, autistic people often struggle to let other people know what they need. As anybody might do in such a situation, they may scream in frustration or resort to grabbing what they want. While waiting for non-autistic people to learn to communicate with them, people with autism do whatever they can to get through to them. Communication difficulties may contribute to autistic people becoming socially anxious or depressed or prone to self-injurious behaviours. ...

Repetitive behaviors

Although people with autism usually appear physically normal and have good muscle control, unusual repetitive motions, known as self-stimulation or "stimming," may set them apart. These behaviors might be extreme and highly apparent or more subtle. Some children and older individuals spend a lot of time repeatedly flapping their arms or wiggling their toes, others suddenly freeze in position. As children, they might spend hours lining up their cars and trains in a certain way, not using them for the type of pretend play expected of a non-autistic child. If someone accidentally moves one of these toys, the child may be tremendously upset. ... Autistics sometimes have persistent, intense preoccupations. For example, the child might be obsessed with learning all about computers, movie schedules or lighthouses. Often they show great interest in different languages, numbers, symbols or science topics. Repetitive behaviors can also extend into the spoken word as well. Perseveration of a single word or phrase, even for a specific number of times can also become a part of the child's daily routine.

Effects in education

Children with autism are affected with these symptoms every day. These unusual characteristics set them apart from typical students. Because they have trouble understanding people’s thoughts and feelings, they have trouble understanding what their teacher may be telling them. They do not understand that facial expressions and vocal variations hold meanings and may misinterpret what emotion their instructor is displaying. This inability to fully decipher the world around them makes education stressful. Teachers need to be aware of a student's disorder so that they are able to help the student get the best out of the lessons being taught.

Some students learn better with visual aids as they are better able to understand material presented this way. Because of this, many teachers create “visual schedules” for their autistic students. This allows the student to know what is going on throughout the day, so they know what to prepare for and what activity they will be doing next. Some autistic children have trouble going from one activity to the next, so this visual schedule can help to reduce stress.

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Students with Autism Spectrum Disorders sometimes have high levels of anxiety and stress, particularly in social environments like school. If a student exhibits aggressive or explosive behavior, it is important for educational teams to recognize the impact of stress and anxiety. Preparing students for new situations by writing Social Stories can lower anxiety. ...
added on the 2006-07-25 00:25:14 by Adok Adok
IMHO an important points is: "Children will exhibit problems coping with the normal sensory input."

I've recently read an article in "Der Spiegel" which has made me get a new picture of autism. The article described how an autistic child perceived the face of his/her mother: Instead of recognizing it as a lovely human face, the autistic child just perceives balls (eyes), sticks (teeth), a big hill with two holes (nose), etc. - and in effect, will feel threatened. Perhaps autism is all about a lack of ability to see the "big picture" (intuition, as it's sometimes called). From this deficiency, the social, linguistic and other developmental problems may result.
added on the 2006-07-25 00:29:39 by Adok Adok
I've got scene ADHD and I got distracted before I found out what this thread was about.

I did have a sensible reply too but I'm bored now.
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first photo here.
added on the 2006-07-25 00:35:15 by jeenio jeenio
pls stay serious...

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added on the 2006-07-25 00:37:10 by 4kum4 4kum4
i could have scene ADHD like shane too because i didnt read anything of Adok's post coz it's too frikkin' long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111ONE!!!1TWELVE
But I only quote parts of the article from Wikipedia so that you need not read that entire article!
added on the 2006-07-25 01:06:34 by Adok Adok
please don't confuse Asperger's syndrome with Autism.
added on the 2006-07-25 01:11:25 by Gargaj Gargaj
Asperger's syndrome is considered a mild form of autism, as you can also read on the Wikipedia page.
added on the 2006-07-25 01:13:40 by Adok Adok
Yes and totally no, It's kind of a moot question imho.

I started in the scene because i caught the interest of computers and in the cold unfriendly village i lived in the only other option to spend my days was to drive snowmobiles and look for a future as a certified hillbilly.

And (correct me if i'm way prejudicical or smth) objective purity and beauty of demos prolly has a generically higher appeal to people with these disorders.

So maybe having nothing else to do/intese focuses/etc is something needed to be drawn into the scene?

But as the previous paragraphs states there's other things. And just because sceners generally never were in teenage partyposses we're another kind of people. But would you say that everyone who does spend their entire days working just to get a fuck on friday night is autist? naah.
added on the 2006-07-25 01:19:05 by whizzter whizzter
4kum4: i know a famous scener with diabetes. it's not for us to name names tho.
added on the 2006-07-25 01:20:22 by whizzter whizzter
People have different personalities and interests, and IMHO these kinds of diagnosis (especially ADHD) are an attempt by psychologists and the medical industry to get everybody who are a bit abnormal as customers, e.g. kids who have a hard time sitting on a chair and listen to a teacher all day.

It's especially bad in the US where I think it's about 15-20% of all kids who are now on some kind of "mind controlling" drug. I think it would be better if there was a place for people with all kinds of weird personalities in society instead of drugging people into normality.
added on the 2006-07-25 01:32:52 by cruzer cruzer
It's especially interesting that a large percentage of children in the USA are diagnosed with ADHD nowadays, while the disease is virtually unknown in Europe. How strange!
added on the 2006-07-25 01:44:29 by Adok Adok
Please refer to a certain South Park episode for answer.
added on the 2006-07-25 02:58:49 by Gargaj Gargaj
The sad thing is that it's also becoming a trend in Europe. When I started organizing youth camps back in the 90's, I had never heard of ADHD. I can't recall hearing about it in the first five years or so, then maybe one or two cases, and in the last 5 years, the numbers are definitely on the rise. Last year, we had about 10 "druggies" on a group of 120. The odd thing is that it's mostly kids from upperclass families... Both parents have a job... And when Johnny is too annoying when mum and dad get home, they plunge some pills down his throat and all is well...
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added on the 2006-07-25 09:45:43 by v4nl4me v4nl4me
Well autism is something really "trendy" today. If a child needs special care in the school (for ANY reason), they just say he/she is autistic, and then leave the thing rest. "Sorry, can't help ya, autistic." There's the same tendency with hyperactives. If the child moves a little more in class they just say he's hyperactive and stuff him full of pills, and of course he will become a problem child after a while.

It is sort of a touchy subject, as there are a lot of people wrongly diagnosed with autism. Anyway, there has to be some sort of a connection, but I don't think there are autists who get "hooked on" the scene, it might be just something that comes with the obsession of computers. (Like for most people *cough*) I don't see a direct link.
added on the 2006-07-25 10:05:17 by kelsey kelsey
Hehe... "Don't pick on me, I'm retarded. If you do, I can sue your family for millions of dollars."
But seriously now...
Whatabout Asperger's?
added on the 2006-07-25 10:13:19 by noouch noouch
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Whatabout Asperger's?


depends on if your parents paid the doctor to attest you to have it or not i'd say.
added on the 2006-07-25 11:14:56 by dalezr dalezr
I know a female scener (graphician) who - according to her weblog - is afflicted with Asperger's syndrome. I met her at Breakpoint 2005, where I didn't know about her condition. As a matter of fact I didn't even suspect anything to be wrong with her. But if you read her blog, she often writes about some of the problems mentioned in the Wikipedia article I quoted. It's quite moving; she's very talented.
added on the 2006-07-25 12:11:04 by Adok Adok
RITALIN FOR THE MASSES!!
maali, the bipolar disorder-thread is somewhere else. :)
added on the 2006-07-25 12:38:04 by dalezr dalezr

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