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what's wrong with build systems? :'(

_-_-__ : while I don't disagree with what you're saying, there are a lot of computer science students who are also interested in doing experimental graphical things (me for example). Some universities even have modules on generative creativity these days.

touche: even paniq does windows demos now.

demos on linux, cos you dont eat soup with a fork!

The ultimate competition: The group which makes the last demo wins :-P

There's a ton of stupid games for Linux, why not some decent demos? Stop masturbating over penguin pics and get to work!

teach people new skills through demos. it would be a hell of alot more entertaining than watching a tutorial.

linux has porn-get, who would want to watch demos?

You have no clue about anything at all, do you?

kusma; please enlighten me as to what's wrong with that statement?

I wonder what we can do to revive this thread. Can we do it guys? I've been thinking about this. There just isn't enough interest in pouetization.

I agree with gloom and loaderror about what happens on linux. People seem to spend an inordinate amount time trying to make their system and technology perfect and wind up dedicating relatively little effort toward final, usable, attractive results. Maybe the temptation of so many configurable and modifiable things that are not quite optimal is great enough to steer people toward optimizing the system itself instead of carrying on with other things. It's similar to people on Windows who are hooked on downloading the latest and greatest tools of all sorts (such that the people not pirating who have older or crappier tools might unintuitively be more productive), except they're screwing with their linux all the time instead. In that case, I'd say it's time to simplify and be conscious of balance. Realize that the desire to have the best is not your friend.

Not trying to pick on anyone here.. I'm as guilty as anyone, and I think a lot of this applies to most people in some way or another.

Medic! ;x

I think people are overlooking an important fact.

There already ARE demos for linux!

So there's no point in speculating what would happen if demos were made for linux. The question now is, (and I'm not personally that interested in the answer), are these demos getting linux users into demos? Is there even any way to check if that is the case?

maybe this thread is about what interests people. rather then what everyone is currently doing wrong.

hmm, idk just passing through.

imo i have no doubt of anyones ability to produce demos here. you've all made some great stuff. but, i think you need to find your target audiences and do what a record company would do and market it to them. but, in your case you're not trying to sell it to them. you're just trying to find everyones interests and use that to do the marketing and then you might see more scene activity. people loved mario and that game made absolutely no sense. but it was fun and people still love it. make the demoscene fun and interesting to people and people might become interested in it. except i already think it is fun and interesting so my opinion doesn't really matter.

you're completely missing the point about why we make demos.

and i don't think anybody's going to be "woa, i wanna do that too" when we stop caring about that point.

We "need" to?. Or what?

but why was it that more alive in the 90ies (i'm still an outsider)? ...all was new, many younger people were involved and everybody was more curious to test new things out with newly the available tools. and in fact, it was actually possible to find something new... now there's a the big media industry feeding people all the way and nobody gives a shit anymore about the craft. the DIY spirit has gone... nobody knows how their car works, nobody want's to know anything about electricity or electronics or even programming, for example, but everybody's using it all the time. just my opinion... technoanalphabetism by user slavery.
but i still belive there could be a revival by making a new kind of demos! use the diy spirit in another way. find a new, scene-based format. extended or interactive demos. or involve more things other people are currently interested in, like generative music or make more performance oriented demos, live-demos, networked demo jams... (see reas thread) that would probably be fun...

if you think the scene is dying, you aren't doing it right.

It's down to a very simple principle: the original users of computers were passionate about them, and technologists. *Any* computer user had to know a bit about the machine, and for this reason it was easy to bump into a computer user and share whatever passion you had with that person. Nowadays, a computer is a commodity, it's mostly used for communication, buying plane tickets, etc..

The same way at one point owning a car was quite something (it was still this way a few 40 years back) .. now it's the technology of yesterday, a commodity and something that non-hobbyists or fans own.

So what I mean in the end is that it's all about perception, and the perception that people are not interested into using machines to express themselves, well, is just that: a perception, not fact.

Most people don't really care about freedom of speech either, look at the common man in the common totalitarian state. That does not mean freedom of speech is out of fashion.

WRONG. people do nothing but express their freedom of speech. Look on myspace. You don't need to market your idea to a target audience. But, it works alot better than bitching about it. You don't have to do anything if you want to. But, the truth is you're going to die someday and everything in life is relevant because of that fact and you should show them that or atleast entertain the sheep. Because, if you want people to participate in it. You have to give them a reason to and if you don't give them a reason to. You should stop worrying about what the outcome could be. As for me I don't see a problem with the demoscene there are plenty of smart people here. But maybe they are busy doing other things now. Teach people who would like to learn. don't hide things and hope they come around.