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ham: we have an automated script that checks the demoscene.tv database and automatically inserts whatever is missing. i think instead of hardcoding exceptions to pouet, you should ask the demoscene.tv people to replace their video with a better version..

I am tired of repeat the same thing. I wrote a long email to demoscene.tv staff BEFORE add a single line to this thread about this issue. I am waiting for their answer. I think that demoscene.tv and pouet.net are different things.

@ps: Replacing human intelligence with automated scripts are a very evil thing!

I understand that some gremlins may add the link again. Can the script be fixed? :)

Thanks in advance.

well, yes, i could very easily just add an if id = your intro and so it would not ever get updated automatically again. but it kind of defeats the point of running an automated script if one is simply replacing the maintenance chores of adding links with maintenance chores of adding exceptions. this is why im weary of this precedent. i guess it would be less ammount of maintenance yes, but the point of the script was to eliminate the chore altogether not minimize it.

@ps: Take a look to the demoscene.tv video of "Wonder by Sunflower". That video has the same problem with the music's tempo that the crappy video that they made of my intro (and I am sure that is not the only one). "The Wonder by Sunflower" video it's already added to pouet (maybe by some deaf gremlins) and it's another demonstration of the fact that, perhaps, to maintain a file with a few exceptions is not a bad idea after all.

Cheers!

with all due respect, this thread isn't called "fix demoscene.tv beatifull" afaik

havoc: i really wonder whats up with your attitude posting in this thread these past months. i mean i can be quite blunt and rude with these things aswell, repeated cluelessness can annoy anyone fixing things quite easily, but you seem to be replying very harshly to pretty much all doubts and odd requests raised in here lately. some more legitimate then others ofcourse, but still, some people are just badly informed or truly believing to be raising legitimit (or whatever its spelled) concearns, no need to be so rude explaining them how things work all the time. O_O it doesnt really affect me per se, i.e. im not considering depromoting you of your gloperator status or anything like that, i just wonder where all this short fuse thing is coming from since you're usually alot more of a patient guy with other things o_O maybe you've been gloperating too hard lately :D

ham: well, like havoc said, we cant really be hold to blame or censor if 3rd party sites fuck up some things now and again. the link between the video and the prod is still valid information, even if some people can consider it a disservice, they should really be complaining to dtv to upgrade the quality, not us for linking to dtv.

About that automatic video link thing, we should let gloperators handle it imo, based on video quality criterion and requests from the authors of the prods.

DTV people do a fantastic job but unfortunately a lot of videos have issues (delayed sound, wrong encoding, capture with a wrong framerate for oldskool platforms etc...).

There are a lot of gloperators to add or remove proper video links (to chose between a capped.tv one or a DTV one, depending on which one is an actual proper capture) and we should let them handle that instead of letting a script automatically add links to videos that sometimes (often) show a totally fucked up version of the work of the authors.

Yes some videos will be redone but not all, that's why the link should be added manually imo, to chose the best options (youtube, dtv or capped.tv)

honestly keops i dont like that idea because i dont believe in the concept of selected censorship. if someone wants a better version they should just do it and make it available. i never envisioned only selecting 1 video/webtv source for each demo. in short: i aim to aggregate the references not develop a gui to select the best amongst them. but maybe gargaj will implement that feature for v2 of pouet.

ps: i'm all fine, thanks, just being my blunt honest self (i guess you can relate to that :))

@ps: I understand your point of view. And, by the way, nobody want to see our dear gloperators arguing here between them. :)

I have told with metapat via MSN (one guy in the DTV staff, as you probably know) so now I know why my email was not yet answered. Seems that some of the DTV guys are still in the USA and did not check their emails accounts.

So... be happy! :)

It's nothing to do with censorship, it's about respecting the author's wishes and former work ;)

I don't mean we should have just *one* video link, I mean only the *proper* videos. It's pointless to have 3 links to videos when 2 or them are crappy encoding.

Aggregating references to things that are wrong and don't reflect the production as it is is quite useless though, especially if we can aggregate other sources that have the proper content instead.

ps : and please don't get all upset, I'm merely trying to find a suitable solution for everybody, including the authors having their work shown wrong and the users being pointed to wrong stuff ;)

im not upset at all.

i cant blindly agree with always respecting authors wishes. i aim to preserve the history of the archive and that often includes presenting information whenever it's available, as oposed to whenever the author (or other curators for that matter) feel it to be more or less appropriate. its purely in that sense that i get weary and reluctant to approach implementations that seem to follow this direction.

that being said, a better system to facilitate and track updates is certainly welcome. and pure automation is always utopia anyways.

ok :)

this is a dupe of that. The new entry's name is much better though, so it should be the one to use.

Wrong compo:
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=51638
Not "pc demo", but "combined demo/intro"

A dead gloperator granted your wish.

(Maybe you should tell the dtv people to fix the video.)

I'm stupid. Please disregard. :)

don't know if this should be changed in the db but
ftp://ftp.assembly.org doesn't answer

maybe someone could script the update of such urls to convert them to scene.org ones ?

bbcode
is totally down :(

this competed in the combined demo compo.

url=http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=51653]this[/url] should hev been tagged as released at sundown 2008, thanks!