BitJam Music Competition #02
category: general [glöplog]
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Well for me as NON-SOUNDER this kind of compos show me a bit HOW good people work,
since the theme ( or even partly ) melody is already fixed.
The skills ( or NON-Skills ) are more clean for me ...
Quality, Equipment (Software) used, Creativity in reinterpretation of the original track.
Even when some people dont share the point - i like this kind of remix compos,
and i enjoyed some of the tracks from Remix compo alot !
For sure is there also a bit nostalgica from the excellent tracks choosen to remix.
Even the sample remix from gargaj for compo2 entertained me alot !
Anyway nobody is forced to participate or listen to the results ...
since the theme ( or even partly ) melody is already fixed.
The skills ( or NON-Skills ) are more clean for me ...
Quality, Equipment (Software) used, Creativity in reinterpretation of the original track.
Even when some people dont share the point - i like this kind of remix compos,
and i enjoyed some of the tracks from Remix compo alot !
For sure is there also a bit nostalgica from the excellent tracks choosen to remix.
Even the sample remix from gargaj for compo2 entertained me alot !
Anyway nobody is forced to participate or listen to the results ...
we can all be friends...
btw, expect some kick-ass remix from me. or not. depends if the baby borns sooner than expected.
btw, expect some kick-ass remix from me. or not. depends if the baby borns sooner than expected.
keops: you're a clueless moron. not for knowing the quotes but for not being able to read past them. nothing new to your fabulous character though. **
lug00ber: i dont demand anything from you, do whatever music you like. i just wish that the norwegian demoscene wouldnt keep reusing the same formulas, to me its completly "seen that, got the t-shirt, is that all they can do? i'm sure it isnt, why the hell do they keep insisting on it? are all their musicians only doing this kind of sound? are all their coders only enjoying this kind of sound? no. so why the fuck do they keep doing this?"
CONS: i tried that. people dont give a shit, just throw shit instead. it feels like a waste of time. scene is supposed to be fun and a place to push your creativity, not a chore where you get shit whenever you think out of the box _IN A BLOODY REMIX COMPO_. its a remix compo, you're supposed to fuck around. people don't appreciate it, i get shit for it, hence i stop. rather spend my time doing remixes for people who want to listen to my fuckedup version of their beloved tracks instead.
but like i said: if you guys dig your remix compos like that: knock yourselfs out. i just wish it wasnt such a canabalized mindinabox kind of compo, it doesnt compel me to participate. and with my personal opinion i voice others who concluded the same and drifted away from the scene while you guys keep wondering "why? what happened? why didnt you just keep contributing?"
well, i think it's because you're going around in circles doing boring shit in a medium thats supposed to promote creativity. thats my opinion. i'm sure plenty of you people reading this disagree but i really couldnt care less right now since i believe it to be the honest truth. and sure we all start somewhere, and good production skills are appreciated, and the whole learning by living in a comunity which nurtures its own is a big plus, and as long as you're having fun who cares really? but you're sticking a nail in the foot and telling people they should walk your path.
there's plenty of cool things in the scene, but scene music competitions aint one of them. imho.
lug00ber: i dont demand anything from you, do whatever music you like. i just wish that the norwegian demoscene wouldnt keep reusing the same formulas, to me its completly "seen that, got the t-shirt, is that all they can do? i'm sure it isnt, why the hell do they keep insisting on it? are all their musicians only doing this kind of sound? are all their coders only enjoying this kind of sound? no. so why the fuck do they keep doing this?"
CONS: i tried that. people dont give a shit, just throw shit instead. it feels like a waste of time. scene is supposed to be fun and a place to push your creativity, not a chore where you get shit whenever you think out of the box _IN A BLOODY REMIX COMPO_. its a remix compo, you're supposed to fuck around. people don't appreciate it, i get shit for it, hence i stop. rather spend my time doing remixes for people who want to listen to my fuckedup version of their beloved tracks instead.
but like i said: if you guys dig your remix compos like that: knock yourselfs out. i just wish it wasnt such a canabalized mindinabox kind of compo, it doesnt compel me to participate. and with my personal opinion i voice others who concluded the same and drifted away from the scene while you guys keep wondering "why? what happened? why didnt you just keep contributing?"
well, i think it's because you're going around in circles doing boring shit in a medium thats supposed to promote creativity. thats my opinion. i'm sure plenty of you people reading this disagree but i really couldnt care less right now since i believe it to be the honest truth. and sure we all start somewhere, and good production skills are appreciated, and the whole learning by living in a comunity which nurtures its own is a big plus, and as long as you're having fun who cares really? but you're sticking a nail in the foot and telling people they should walk your path.
there's plenty of cool things in the scene, but scene music competitions aint one of them. imho.
Jesus PS... why are you writing all this in the first place? Right now you're making "the scene" unpleasant yourself.
Trust yourself and do whatever you want, no matter if 99% of the demosceners likes it or 1% of the demosceners likes it.
Trust yourself and do whatever you want, no matter if 99% of the demosceners likes it or 1% of the demosceners likes it.
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i really couldnt care less right now since i believe it to be the honest truth
i'll just throw my hands up and walk away right now.
it's that time of the month again...
Remixing is not a crime... Having a different taste isn't a crime too.
A lot of people like remixes and a lot of not... For those, who doesn't like it: Don't listen to them :)
It's a free world with free opinions and taste of music, gfx, shows, etc etc etc... please show a bit more tolerance.
ty.
A lot of people like remixes and a lot of not... For those, who doesn't like it: Don't listen to them :)
It's a free world with free opinions and taste of music, gfx, shows, etc etc etc... please show a bit more tolerance.
ty.
elekfunz is done :D
Fight for that - its worth to try :
niets zo charmant als een tegeltje aan de wand
i'm working on elekfunk too :) but i don't know if i can finish it until deadline...
also upload the stuff to http://amigaremix.com when its ended :p
of course demo music is rehashing certain styles, just as well as demos are. it's been like that for a while now. the main reasons are:
1) the taste of the coders (who ultimately decide what kind of music they want in a demo)
2) the fact that it's much easier to make a demo around a dnb tune than a tango (for example). this also comes down to the coders' way of thinking about visuals that would fit with the music, recognizing different elements in the tune, etc
3) the taste of the viewers (who ultimately decide what kind of music they want to hear in a demo) and the competitive nature of the scene, which means you can't take any chances with the music if you want to win a compo
4) the high technical requirements of demo music and the absence of "real" musicians in the scene. in the amiga days the demoscene was the primary outlet for many aspiring artists who wanted to make and share their own work. you'd have dizzy/cncd who was a talented jazz pianist (and indeed does it for a living these days), and you could hear the influences in his tracker tunes. these days the stakes are higher, you need producing skills and the like. also, there are many other ways for the musicians to share their work, and if you're not into the geek scene you don't find out about the demoscene that easily (as opposed to the amiga times when it was in your face all the time thanks to crack intros).
1) the taste of the coders (who ultimately decide what kind of music they want in a demo)
2) the fact that it's much easier to make a demo around a dnb tune than a tango (for example). this also comes down to the coders' way of thinking about visuals that would fit with the music, recognizing different elements in the tune, etc
3) the taste of the viewers (who ultimately decide what kind of music they want to hear in a demo) and the competitive nature of the scene, which means you can't take any chances with the music if you want to win a compo
4) the high technical requirements of demo music and the absence of "real" musicians in the scene. in the amiga days the demoscene was the primary outlet for many aspiring artists who wanted to make and share their own work. you'd have dizzy/cncd who was a talented jazz pianist (and indeed does it for a living these days), and you could hear the influences in his tracker tunes. these days the stakes are higher, you need producing skills and the like. also, there are many other ways for the musicians to share their work, and if you're not into the geek scene you don't find out about the demoscene that easily (as opposed to the amiga times when it was in your face all the time thanks to crack intros).
reed: you nailed it quite well.
i find it quite boring / depressive and would hope that its something that could easily be changed if only people were aware of it. aparently im wrong on the later. which is a shame really. all these years believing i was promoting digital creativity and it turns out i was just mostly pimping inflated egos in a canibalistic dome. it pisses me off and depresses me gravely.
the scene still has some cool stuff and nice people though (among the ocasional annoying clueless egocentric git), but it really makes me wonder what i been doing with my life. guess this is yet another one of those clichèd' "the scene is dead" bullshit threads. so i guess it's time to take a break from things and wonder where my scene spirit is at.
well, sadly i already bought my plane ticket to mainparty, but beers in arles with some friends should still be fun. so cya there.
i find it quite boring / depressive and would hope that its something that could easily be changed if only people were aware of it. aparently im wrong on the later. which is a shame really. all these years believing i was promoting digital creativity and it turns out i was just mostly pimping inflated egos in a canibalistic dome. it pisses me off and depresses me gravely.
the scene still has some cool stuff and nice people though (among the ocasional annoying clueless egocentric git), but it really makes me wonder what i been doing with my life. guess this is yet another one of those clichèd' "the scene is dead" bullshit threads. so i guess it's time to take a break from things and wonder where my scene spirit is at.
well, sadly i already bought my plane ticket to mainparty, but beers in arles with some friends should still be fun. so cya there.
while we all know what they say about arguing on the interwebs, i have to state that i'm in full agreement with ps on the narrow subject of norwegian dnb!
reed: i would like to think that the situation is not as bad as you describe. for example when i myself am thinking about what kind of demo to make, neither of your 4 points apply at all, i would say it is the total opposite...
reed: i would like to think that the situation is not as bad as you describe. for example when i myself am thinking about what kind of demo to make, neither of your 4 points apply at all, i would say it is the total opposite...
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so why the fuck do they keep doing this?
Because they LIKE doing it?
jesus f. christ people...
ps: I am sorry but what the fuck. Seriously, I have no intention to trigger a catastrophe that will occasionally encircle us. For one, I am not a musician and you might think I have no place in this debate; and although I think I am better off, I just couldn't sit there and watch it while you are showering any one of us with insults.
What's with this blaming others for your personal incompetency? Is it the new in from the last issue of Vogue nowadays? Because it is ridiculous. Not only blaming others but going as far as to insult them. So you are the one who asks for novelty in the scene(-music) and you are the one who keeps moaning that you have been wasting all your life within a bunch of egoists; yet you are the one who didn't produce nothing but noise tracks... Yeah, talk about monotonicity eh? You might indeed think that you have been pimping inflated egos in a cannibalistic dome, but your perception cannot be really truly transparent, right? Considering you are the one who thinks yourself has wasted all the time spent so far, and then you blame it on us. Gosh... I am about to explode of rage.
Look, if you are a failure YOU are the cause. None of us is. BUT YOU. Get the fuck over it.
What's with this blaming others for your personal incompetency? Is it the new in from the last issue of Vogue nowadays? Because it is ridiculous. Not only blaming others but going as far as to insult them. So you are the one who asks for novelty in the scene(-music) and you are the one who keeps moaning that you have been wasting all your life within a bunch of egoists; yet you are the one who didn't produce nothing but noise tracks... Yeah, talk about monotonicity eh? You might indeed think that you have been pimping inflated egos in a cannibalistic dome, but your perception cannot be really truly transparent, right? Considering you are the one who thinks yourself has wasted all the time spent so far, and then you blame it on us. Gosh... I am about to explode of rage.
Look, if you are a failure YOU are the cause. None of us is. BUT YOU. Get the fuck over it.
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2) the fact that it's much easier to make a demo around a dnb tune than a tango (for example).
A demo, yes. A good demo, hell no. I find most demos with dnb tracks to be utterly boring, because a high-energy soundtrack _demands_ high-energy visuals, which most do not have. Keeping something exciting when you have a rolling 170 BPM bass-monster as the backdrop is close to impossible.
Not that it matters much for the initial "discussion", which is retarded beyond belief, and Decipher, Zoom, Gargaj, lug00ber and pretty much anyone except ps has so much leading it hurts to read follow-ups.
i'd rather see 10 mediocre norwegian dnb demos than 1 good (if that's possible at all) noisedemo :P
I'm glad I did not see this thread before, and I'm kind of sorry for seeing it now.
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2) the fact that it's much easier to make a demo around a dnb tune than a tango (for example).
I agree though. Coding visuals based on simple geometric stuff usually leads to some futuristic/sci-fi style, which just doesn't work with say, tango or jazz. Animating anything that doesn't look like geeky art is much harder. On the other hand you could try to make one of those nature documentary -style wilds and then make it work with a dnb tune.
zoom: yes. obviously. it's just that in my head it doesnt compute properly how creative people can enjoy doing the same thing over and over and over and over again in the same style. it's clearly my personal opinion ofcourse to find that boring or not. and i have no authority to force them to do anything else for their hobby, but it sure would be cool to be able to influence the slightest on changing their state of mind in that regard. but that ofcourse is just being taken for me being a nazi hypocrit lacking social skills whinning about how much everyone hates my stuff (even if i havent mentioned it anywhere regarding this issue at hand, or even bloody crossed my mind) instead of the bloody obvious.
decipher: incompetence? in expecting people to tolerate different genres within a creative comunity? i'm afraid you're probably talking out of bitter conclusions (for whatever reasons you might have in my regard) couz that makes no sense: you might want to get your facts straight regarding me not releasing anything but noise demos or noise tracks. i've actually won compos with music that i myself felt to be totally boring and uninspiring. which is why i stopped composing that kind fo music in the first place and only bother out of sheer boredom and composing practise sake now and again nowdays. but i guess you would need to know the ps beyond the noise artfaggot whinner that you take me for to realize that. you and probably 80% of the people reading this.
which actually proves my point yet again. and is why demoscene (more the music scene around it not the actual demoscene, to be honest) feels dead to me right now.
if you can take my dismay for an insult, knock yourself out, but that wasnt really the point behind these posts.
hmm.. then again, maybe it was.. "screw you guys, i'm going home" ;D
back to doing whats actually interesting and fun instead of handling all this social bullshit.
decipher: incompetence? in expecting people to tolerate different genres within a creative comunity? i'm afraid you're probably talking out of bitter conclusions (for whatever reasons you might have in my regard) couz that makes no sense: you might want to get your facts straight regarding me not releasing anything but noise demos or noise tracks. i've actually won compos with music that i myself felt to be totally boring and uninspiring. which is why i stopped composing that kind fo music in the first place and only bother out of sheer boredom and composing practise sake now and again nowdays. but i guess you would need to know the ps beyond the noise artfaggot whinner that you take me for to realize that. you and probably 80% of the people reading this.
which actually proves my point yet again. and is why demoscene (more the music scene around it not the actual demoscene, to be honest) feels dead to me right now.
if you can take my dismay for an insult, knock yourself out, but that wasnt really the point behind these posts.
hmm.. then again, maybe it was.. "screw you guys, i'm going home" ;D
back to doing whats actually interesting and fun instead of handling all this social bullshit.