Hi! Does anyone have any recommendations for opensource Linux Demos, for an audiovisually optimized Linux-based system? :)
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ParadoxUncre8ed: try X-MIX 2004: Ion Traxx
ParadoxUncre8ed: try X-MIX 2004: Ion Traxx
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yeti, that's not quite opensource though..
I will look at some of the stuff, linked here.
This is me on youtube anyway - http://www.youtube.com/user/ParadoxUncreated?feature=mhw5
Let me know if there's more of you out there, who might have something interesting to say. (Preferrably hackers with a monotheistic mindset.)
I also found Kris Hatlelid on youtube more or less accidentally, maker of Frantic Freddie on the c64, and Test Drive, on the Amiga. That was kind of interesting. http://www.youtube.com/user/khatlelid
Also saw some videos from Jeri Ellsworth, the girl we all dreamed about in our teens, I guess. http://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth
There's probably more.
This is me on youtube anyway - http://www.youtube.com/user/ParadoxUncreated?feature=mhw5
Let me know if there's more of you out there, who might have something interesting to say. (Preferrably hackers with a monotheistic mindset.)
I also found Kris Hatlelid on youtube more or less accidentally, maker of Frantic Freddie on the c64, and Test Drive, on the Amiga. That was kind of interesting. http://www.youtube.com/user/khatlelid
Also saw some videos from Jeri Ellsworth, the girl we all dreamed about in our teens, I guess. http://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth
There's probably more.
I've been wanting to try an audio program under a Real-Time linux kernel for ages now. I never got the feeling that Windows was ever meant for that kind of stuff, it seem like you're always working around it, and having to disable half the system to get reasonable performance / no audio dropouts. If I buy an expensive cpu, I want to use all of it..
On the other hand, if we just set up a big penguin somewhere, with a bunch of incense around it, would the linux-free-software-as-though-that-really-means-something-important crowd simply hover/grovel around it and shut up?
Why can't I read a linux faq without seeing the words "free" and "beer" over and over again?
On the other hand, if we just set up a big penguin somewhere, with a bunch of incense around it, would the linux-free-software-as-though-that-really-means-something-important crowd simply hover/grovel around it and shut up?
Why can't I read a linux faq without seeing the words "free" and "beer" over and over again?
I think I can answer that. Most Linux FAQs are written by Linux users. And most Linux users learnt Linux because they got fed up of being told how they should operate their computers the "right way".
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Preferrably hackers with a monotheistic mindset
wat
on linux:
Long ago, in some board, this is what I had to say about it.
You know what? I wrote this in 2004...six years ago.
the subject of the thread was, "IMO on when Linux will take off with the home user".
epilogue:
some months ago, installed ubuntu on modern pc: dual screen very hard to setup, impossible for a newb. changed video board: dual screen completely fucked up, no solution.
installed onod laptop : video board not detected. end of the story.
Long ago, in some board, this is what I had to say about it.
You know what? I wrote this in 2004...six years ago.
the subject of the thread was, "IMO on when Linux will take off with the home user".
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a friend of mine installed linux on my peecee in ... when was it again... 1999?
and i had heard of it since even before but didnt give it a try and i already knew i was wrong, cause good or bad, you miss something if you dont try new things...
and EVEN THEN, ppl said ow wait , watch! this system is not the old system of the 70s anymore! THIS TIME it will REALLY take off! it DOES have SEVERAL GUIs! THEY ARE SO BEAUTIFUL! its FULLY MULTIMEDIA(c)etc etc...
AND its more powerful than windows!(more powerful... whats "power?"). microsoft should be frightened as hell cause soon they re DEAD!
but i was lazy. i knew i was missing something by not learning this system, but i rather spend the little time my studies left me for learning things like general programming, assembly language, processor and pc internal, graphics, etc. All this kept me away from linux fanatism, cause when you like to program as close as possible to the hardware (be that a good or bad idea), you are not impressed at all by a guy that tells you "omg linux is so much more better mulitasking and multiuser-ing and multi-secure etc" when he doesnt even knows how multitasking is handled, and even if he knew, what could he say about how it differs from windows?
somehow i didnt really like its interface too, but it was because i didnt know it.
one day i formatted the drive and so it died.I dont think it booted more than a dozen times.
here we are, five years later.(heck!FIVE years! where have my sweet eighteen gone?)
i m afraid its about the same situation. ppl still say its so much better than a few years ago, that it detects everything, that its multimedia and beautiful, and that wait!!!!!in a second it will take off and microsoft is scared to death and etc etc.
now that i have a bit more knowledge i can see many of the things ppl said against how win was crap and bad programming and linux was good is just plain lies.
of course it could have been the opposite, since at that time i didnt know.
but its not.
i installed a ulra recent linux a few weeks ago and the sound didnt work.
i m not putting the blame on the programmers at all cause it must be hard to get everyting working when the hardware vendors dont help you, when you ve got to do everything yourself, etc. but these are the rules of the game. when you buy a printer, a webcam or a motherboard, i m sorry but you just cant whine if it doesnt work with linux , when its not mentioned on the box. hardware making is not just a silly joke, its an industry.
maybe its nobodys fault if my mandrake doesnt make any sound, but still, it doesnt make any sound and i dont wanna spend the next month fixing it.
i dont like a system that gives endless lines of init msgs when it boots, and when you press a key, you see the control characters of your keys in the middle of the init messages.
excuse me, it has no importance, but it sux! it sux! it sux! it sux!
THATS linux, all the crappy root directory(ies) dedicated to the system (even if i m the only f_ckin one thinkin that), and the crappy hundreds of thousands of config files and the gui on top of that.
I must admit one other reason why i didnt switch to it is the amount of hate against microsoft that comes shipped with it. you feel like you are called an idiot if you use windows, and i use windows.
plus the anti-ms attitude is often linked with anti-globalization and even anti-americanism here in europe.
leet-wannabees like leet systems. ppl that are okay with themselves dont feel the need to be different by hating something powerful.
so...
i decided i could live without it.
all this to say a reason why linux might not be ready is that, in fact, its not evolving as fast and as unified as some ppl say.
having a monopoly has several advantages.
dont blame me please, thats just my personal linux/win-XPerience
epilogue:
some months ago, installed ubuntu on modern pc: dual screen very hard to setup, impossible for a newb. changed video board: dual screen completely fucked up, no solution.
installed onod laptop : video board not detected. end of the story.
what a young naive fool i was in those times, believing there was the sightest interest in arguing with strangers on the internet...
wait, what? :)
wait, what? :)
I agree wholeheartedly with you HelloWorld. My linux experience in 1996-1999 was that if something didn't work, I'd try hard to get it to work.
Between 1999-2004, I tried many distributions to see which I felt most comfortable with.
Between 2004-2010, I know I like debian and by extension Ubuntu. However, if I install the OS and something doesn't work from minute 1, I promptly remove it.
I don't find that Linux has any real advantages (other than virus security) to be worth the effort. They're trying to get me to use their system, I'm not the one trying to be their friend. They have to impress ME and not the other way around. Us PC users often forget that we are the ones who decide what will succeed and what won't, not some geeky programmers in someone's basement.
Between 1999-2004, I tried many distributions to see which I felt most comfortable with.
Between 2004-2010, I know I like debian and by extension Ubuntu. However, if I install the OS and something doesn't work from minute 1, I promptly remove it.
I don't find that Linux has any real advantages (other than virus security) to be worth the effort. They're trying to get me to use their system, I'm not the one trying to be their friend. They have to impress ME and not the other way around. Us PC users often forget that we are the ones who decide what will succeed and what won't, not some geeky programmers in someone's basement.
is a monotheistic mindset compatible with polygamy?
On my Laptop ubuntu is in 24 / 7. (I only go to windows to play games.....)
HelloWorld, Silver: I can understand why you may not like Linux and why you are not using it. I am an advocate of freedom, and that includes the people's freedom to choose the operating system they prefer for themselves.
What I don't understand, though, is the reason are you trolling on an (obviously) Linux related thread.
What I don't understand, though, is the reason are you trolling on an (obviously) Linux related thread.
pro Linux:
It rocks on gaming handhelds, much more than any Android, WebOS or WinMo could.
Just look at the famous Dingoo, Wiz, GP2X etc.
It rocks on gaming handhelds, much more than any Android, WebOS or WinMo could.
Just look at the famous Dingoo, Wiz, GP2X etc.
mot: Apparently sharing your opinion about something is automatically trolling. Just for you, I'll try to find a way to make sure that no preference or opinion is ever expressed on this forum and only state facts.
However, the fact is that Linux is not ready for the common user.
However, the fact is that Linux is not ready for the common user.
How does "I don't like Linux" and "Linux is not ready for the common user" contribute to a discussion titled "recommendations for opensource Linux Demos" ?
And I hope you'll excuse me if I take your ultra-condensed operating system market analysis with a grain of salt.
And I hope you'll excuse me if I take your ultra-condensed operating system market analysis with a grain of salt.
mot:
when you say simple things like that you gain credibility and i open my ears :)
i did post, just to give my point of view, but of course the subject is prone to trolling. I hear your point. Paradox didnt ask for this.
To Paradox:
Your thread was a simple information and not trolling, true. The tone of the site is somewhat proselytic, some would say annoying, but it's your right. And I respect your choices and opinions, in fact, I find that linux is a great achievement, but with still many problems, and of little interest to me for the time being.
But this is the internet :) . You have to be prepared for people coming in and loudly disagreeing, making jokes, trolling. Sound behaviour is not to care too much.
I have a white GP2X near this keyboard. It's great, i played duke3D on it a few hours ago :)
when you say simple things like that you gain credibility and i open my ears :)
i did post, just to give my point of view, but of course the subject is prone to trolling. I hear your point. Paradox didnt ask for this.
To Paradox:
Your thread was a simple information and not trolling, true. The tone of the site is somewhat proselytic, some would say annoying, but it's your right. And I respect your choices and opinions, in fact, I find that linux is a great achievement, but with still many problems, and of little interest to me for the time being.
But this is the internet :) . You have to be prepared for people coming in and loudly disagreeing, making jokes, trolling. Sound behaviour is not to care too much.
I have a white GP2X near this keyboard. It's great, i played duke3D on it a few hours ago :)
in my previous post i was referring to mot's previous post (13:40:55).
Yeah, there's a lot of trolling online, but you see, if you ever visited forums with more ID, pictures, real names etc, there is a LOT less.
Anyway, Linux-based systems are very modular. You can do very much with them, so yes, you may need to spend some time with it, to make it work the way you want. However after that, you also realize that you could never do this with closed source systems, or let further inspiration, come to realization in any such environent.
And that goes for me aswell, I am still learning, and recently there has been added some interesting cpu group scheduling options to the kernel, and I am going to test them out.
Optimally, from my (maybe not so experienced point of view, atleast in this area), is that scheduling should be done, atleast with 3 queues.
1. Deadline - left over cpu for:
2. Casual - running for a timeslice
3. Intensitve - takes rest of cpu, if present.
That is what I am going to see if I can do, with tweaking my system a bit.
So anyway, it was about demos yes, I just wanted something fun to run on my optimized system.
Peace Be With You!
Anyway, Linux-based systems are very modular. You can do very much with them, so yes, you may need to spend some time with it, to make it work the way you want. However after that, you also realize that you could never do this with closed source systems, or let further inspiration, come to realization in any such environent.
And that goes for me aswell, I am still learning, and recently there has been added some interesting cpu group scheduling options to the kernel, and I am going to test them out.
Optimally, from my (maybe not so experienced point of view, atleast in this area), is that scheduling should be done, atleast with 3 queues.
1. Deadline - left over cpu for:
2. Casual - running for a timeslice
3. Intensitve - takes rest of cpu, if present.
That is what I am going to see if I can do, with tweaking my system a bit.
So anyway, it was about demos yes, I just wanted something fun to run on my optimized system.
Peace Be With You!
mot: The reason my analysis is ultra-condensed is because while I believe that it is possible and even fun to share your opinion here, actually analyzing anything on such a forum seems counter-productive.
To be completely honest, I don't see why demo programmers and even demo viewers wouldn't use Linux exclusively. I mean, both are basically quite comfortable with a computer and are thus capable of doing the extremely annoying things necessary to make sure that the OS works the way that they want. As far as I can tell, gaming is not the top priority for anyone either creating or watching the most recent demos.
However, not everyone is as capable with a computer as those two groups are and the operating system is therefore not a viable option for everyone. Viewers of multimedia and gamers will never be content with Linux, neither are people who are simply looking for a computer that won't give them headaches. So the debate begins : on which platform should the creators of PC demos concentrate, Windows or Linux? I say Windows if they are looking to appeal to a larger crowd.
To be completely honest, I don't see why demo programmers and even demo viewers wouldn't use Linux exclusively. I mean, both are basically quite comfortable with a computer and are thus capable of doing the extremely annoying things necessary to make sure that the OS works the way that they want. As far as I can tell, gaming is not the top priority for anyone either creating or watching the most recent demos.
However, not everyone is as capable with a computer as those two groups are and the operating system is therefore not a viable option for everyone. Viewers of multimedia and gamers will never be content with Linux, neither are people who are simply looking for a computer that won't give them headaches. So the debate begins : on which platform should the creators of PC demos concentrate, Windows or Linux? I say Windows if they are looking to appeal to a larger crowd.
It's like tape vs CD for me. Why display ANYTHING on a lesser medium?
It depends on which you consider a lesser operating system. A lot of the people here would say that Windows is the lesser platform because 'Microsoft made it,' completely disregarding the fact that for Windows 7, the OS was completely rewritten from the ground up and manages to get all of your hardware working from the first moment you turn it on. Others would say that Linux is the lesser platform and should not have the honor of being 'the demo platform' simply because it is an incredibly fragmented piece of work that still does not manage to get a lot of common hardware working out of the box, never takes advantage of all computing power at your disposal and often has less-than-desired results with the end user.
However, like I said, I do believe that there is no reason for demo creators and viewers not to be exclusive to the Linux platform considering they are all more or less capable of doing everything needed to get things working to their liking. If getting the largest audience possible if the objective though, Windows should be the exclusive platform regardless of what 'shortcomings' the environment might have.
However, like I said, I do believe that there is no reason for demo creators and viewers not to be exclusive to the Linux platform considering they are all more or less capable of doing everything needed to get things working to their liking. If getting the largest audience possible if the objective though, Windows should be the exclusive platform regardless of what 'shortcomings' the environment might have.
Demo programmers will use whatever they like most, even if that is some fogotten 30-year-old 8-bit computer, or a programmable hair dryer. Neither you nor I can dictate where they should concentrate on. The only way you can affect this is if you _make a demo about it_ as some wise people here say.
"looking to appeal to a larger crowd" is a notion that concerns animators more than demo programmers. Have you noticed that Amiga demos are still winning demo parties in 2010? We are talking about a platform that is officially dead (market-wise) for almost 20 years.
And since we are far outside of the subject already, I have to disagree with you about everybody people using Linux. In my environment, my friends and family call me up all the time about headaches they have with Windows.
- Their computers are always slow and underpowered.
- They are frustrated by the fact that every single program asks them for money or shows them advertisements.
- They dread the thought of having to reinstall Windows from scratch, re-install all of their applications and re-apply all their settings. In fact, they fear it so much that they prefer to keep their system broken.
- They are paranoid about their computers and fear what they might be doing "behind the scenes" (Strangely, only Windows users suffer from this, not Apple users).
- And that's not counting dubious practices that generally don't annoy users but are nevertheless blatant efforts to keep them locked up in the platform, things like feeding them Silverlight, MSN messenger, IE or WMP.
I make all of these problems go away by showing them Linux instead. They learn how to use applications that are available on every other platform out there, if they decide Linux is not their cup of tea. They don't need to care about licenses, using an antivirus or using five different updaters for keeping their systems up to date. And they love it too, because it works, its free and my support is free too (I don't support Windows installations any more).
Maybe you are an experienced Windows user (or plain lucky) and your system runs with absolutely no issues, but this is hardly my experience.
"looking to appeal to a larger crowd" is a notion that concerns animators more than demo programmers. Have you noticed that Amiga demos are still winning demo parties in 2010? We are talking about a platform that is officially dead (market-wise) for almost 20 years.
And since we are far outside of the subject already, I have to disagree with you about everybody people using Linux. In my environment, my friends and family call me up all the time about headaches they have with Windows.
- Their computers are always slow and underpowered.
- They are frustrated by the fact that every single program asks them for money or shows them advertisements.
- They dread the thought of having to reinstall Windows from scratch, re-install all of their applications and re-apply all their settings. In fact, they fear it so much that they prefer to keep their system broken.
- They are paranoid about their computers and fear what they might be doing "behind the scenes" (Strangely, only Windows users suffer from this, not Apple users).
- And that's not counting dubious practices that generally don't annoy users but are nevertheless blatant efforts to keep them locked up in the platform, things like feeding them Silverlight, MSN messenger, IE or WMP.
I make all of these problems go away by showing them Linux instead. They learn how to use applications that are available on every other platform out there, if they decide Linux is not their cup of tea. They don't need to care about licenses, using an antivirus or using five different updaters for keeping their systems up to date. And they love it too, because it works, its free and my support is free too (I don't support Windows installations any more).
Maybe you are an experienced Windows user (or plain lucky) and your system runs with absolutely no issues, but this is hardly my experience.