my theory about c.d.volko
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ps: he can also be used to keep your feed warm during lenghty party-coding sessions. though, you have to wait until he passes out first, but that usually doesn't take that long. :)
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Havoc says that both German and French children cannot learn English by watching TV because all foreign movies have been translated into their native languages. On the other hand, he also states that Germans usually speak English better than French. Kb says that this is due to the fact that Germans learn English at school. But French children also learn English at school. So this is not the reason.
I guess the actual reason is pointed out at http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm. Assuming that the average UK citizen has an IQ of 100, the average German citizen would have an IQ of 102, while the average Frenchman would have an IQ of only 98, i.e. the same as the average US-American. For this reason the average Frenchman has more difficulties at learning languages than the average German.
I guess the actual reason is pointed out at http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.htm. Assuming that the average UK citizen has an IQ of 100, the average German citizen would have an IQ of 102, while the average Frenchman would have an IQ of only 98, i.e. the same as the average US-American. For this reason the average Frenchman has more difficulties at learning languages than the average German.
I've noticed that the sentence "On the other hand, he also states that Germans usually speak English better than French" is ambiguous. It is to be understood as: "On the other hand, he also states that Germans usually speak English better than the French do".
i thought it was because many french people are pompus asses? :)
gloom, aren't they all ?
heh, i was true about the iq stuff. it's an obsession.
heh, i was true about the iq stuff. it's an obsession.
Foreign language ability of a population seems to be (roughly) inversely proportional to the size of the colonial empire their native language gave them access to.
It's funny that adok doesn't even seem to get IQ test scores properly. They are *designed* so that the mean score achieved by a certain population for a *given test* is 100. If the average is different, it means the test is broken.
It's funny that adok doesn't even seem to get IQ test scores properly. They are *designed* so that the mean score achieved by a certain population for a *given test* is 100. If the average is different, it means the test is broken.
“According to reliable studies, only about 16 percent of what it takes to learn a foreign language is attributable to intelligence - at least as defined by IQ tests. IQ tests are largely made up of English vocabulary and mathematical reasoning questions, presented in various forms. Perhaps this explains why IQ correlates better with success in school than with success in life. Doing well in languages, like doing well at business, politics, or love, calls for more than the type of intelligence that makes you successful in school. It demands qualities like persuasiveness, sensitivity, gaiety, and perseverance, which IQ tests make no attempt to measure.”
Adok: I wonder what my IQ should be considering I am italian and french (double citizenship) and with german ancestors and family name. Also, the socks I am wearing right now are black.
Can you guess my IQ?
Can you guess my IQ?
Adok: you fucking idiot, spare us your nazi theories about races and IQ.
I gave you the main reason about this english thing:
Moreover, till 10 years ago the french educational system required the students to focus much more on mathematics and physics than on foreign languages. But things are changing, at last
French education has always been based on sciences and foreign languages had only a very small part left. Not to mention the fact that everything is dubbed in France, which does not help either to learn english.
Havoc also made a very valid point:
[i]perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that you can use your language in more than 2 or 3 places outside your own country[i/]
That does not encourage people to learn a foreign language either...
Mr Claus-Dieter 'Adok' Volko: you, your mentality and your genes theories (Eugenics crap on your website)
make me sick.
What next? You'll explain us why black people's genes make them have a lower IQ than yours?
I gave you the main reason about this english thing:
Moreover, till 10 years ago the french educational system required the students to focus much more on mathematics and physics than on foreign languages. But things are changing, at last
French education has always been based on sciences and foreign languages had only a very small part left. Not to mention the fact that everything is dubbed in France, which does not help either to learn english.
Havoc also made a very valid point:
[i]perhaps it's got something to do with the fact that you can use your language in more than 2 or 3 places outside your own country[i/]
That does not encourage people to learn a foreign language either...
Mr Claus-Dieter 'Adok' Volko: you, your mentality and your genes theories (Eugenics crap on your website)
make me sick.
What next? You'll explain us why black people's genes make them have a lower IQ than yours?
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It's funny that adok doesn't even seem to get IQ test scores properly. They are *designed* so that the mean score achieved by a certain population for a *given test* is 100. If the average is different, it means the test is broken.
You haven't understood what I was talking about. The various groups did the same test - a British test (however, language-independent, consisting only of logical tasks). The test results were evaluated. The function that converts the test score to an IQ was designed in such a way that the average score a Briton got would equal an IQ of 100. Then it was computed what British(!) IQ scores the average test results of Germans, French etc. would equal to.
Of course the IQ scale used in every country is different. The tests that are regularly used in Britain are designed in such a way that the average Briton gets an IQ of 100. The tests that are regularly used in Germany are designed in such a way that the average German gets an IQ of 100. The tests that are regularly used in France are designed in such a way that the average Frenchman gets an IQ of 100. And so on.
But the idea was to compare the average intelligence levels in different countries. Therefore a British test was used for all groups.
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Adok: I wonder what my IQ should be considering I am italian and french (double citizenship) and with german ancestors and family name. Also, the socks I am wearing right now are black.
Can you guess my IQ?
No. Take several IQ tests to get a remote idea.
nah, that's too obvious, he'll explain you why he should command to them o/
... not to mention english, german, dutch, swedish, norwegian, danish, etc. are all germanic languages, ie. with much more similarities than say, italic or slavic languages. Therefore on average it's certainly easier for kids speaking a germanic language to learn english...
keops: I'm not sure if various countries differ in their average score on British IQ tests only for genetic reasons. I guess that education (schools) also plays a role. Don't forget that Black American citizens score about 15 points higher (85) than Blacks in most African countries (70) and even more than in the very least developed countries such as Equatorial Guinea (59).
Perhaps there's a "positive feedback" between intelligence and education, i.e. you need some intelligence to get educated, but when receiving education, your intelligence level rises because you're trained to use your brain. It's just like training in sports: You can't do sports if you lack the essential physical abilities, and when you do sports, your physical abilities will become even better.
Perhaps there's a "positive feedback" between intelligence and education, i.e. you need some intelligence to get educated, but when receiving education, your intelligence level rises because you're trained to use your brain. It's just like training in sports: You can't do sports if you lack the essential physical abilities, and when you do sports, your physical abilities will become even better.
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... not to mention english, german, dutch, swedish, norwegian, danish, etc. are all germanic languages, ie. with much more similarities than say, italic or slavic languages. Therefore on average it's certainly easier for kids speaking a germanic language to learn english...
That's a good point. I think so, too.
ozon: NULL :P
anyway, why does these chats with Adok always end up with a boring 'i have iq that can beat your iq'-fight?!?!?!? Being intelligent does not make it up that you're a big lamer with a fucked up view on things, Adok.
anyway, why does these chats with Adok always end up with a boring 'i have iq that can beat your iq'-fight?!?!?!? Being intelligent does not make it up that you're a big lamer with a fucked up view on things, Adok.
Maali: We're not talking about ourselves, we're talking about Germans and French as collectives and their ability to learn languages.
"the abstraction of intelligence as a single entity, its location within the brain, its quantification as one number for each individual, and the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness, invariably to find that oppressed and disadvantaged groups—races, classes, or sexes—are innately inferior and deserve their status"
Adok: no, maali is right, this thread is about YOU and you're a sickening person with a sickening mentality.
I agree! Let's talk about important issues again!
In Holland, Big Bird is called 'Pino' and he is blue. Here's a picture of him with his buddies Tommie and Ieniemienie, along with an unidentified (possibly fascist) pig:
In Holland, Big Bird is called 'Pino' and he is blue. Here's a picture of him with his buddies Tommie and Ieniemienie, along with an unidentified (possibly fascist) pig:
I agree that being a lamer is not in correlation with intelligence and that views are of subjective nature, which means that there's no justification for claiming that highly intelligent people have either "good" or "bad" views. Only the conclusions people make are related to their individual levels of intelligence.
Gargaj: Where's this quote from? And I agree that "the use of these numbers to rank people in a single series of worthiness" is nonsense.
But this is actually not related to this thread, as we were not talking about the strange concept of worthiness but about ability to learn. In this context, the quote presented by Hollowman is a good argument:
It's certainly true that intelligence is not the single determinant for one's success at learning languages. After all, learning a language means learning a lot of vocabulary, for example. This requires other qualities apart from intelligence, such as diligence.
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“According to reliable studies, only about 16 percent of what it takes to learn a foreign language is attributable to intelligence - at least as defined by IQ tests. IQ tests are largely made up of English vocabulary and mathematical reasoning questions, presented in various forms. Perhaps this explains why IQ correlates better with success in school than with success in life. Doing well in languages, like doing well at business, politics, or love, calls for more than the type of intelligence that makes you successful in school. It demands qualities like persuasiveness, sensitivity, gaiety, and perseverance, which IQ tests make no attempt to measure.”
It's certainly true that intelligence is not the single determinant for one's success at learning languages. After all, learning a language means learning a lot of vocabulary, for example. This requires other qualities apart from intelligence, such as diligence.
havoc, i love you :)
