New AI rules @revision
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Lol fuck AI.
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tangentially, if these rules mean that i don't have to hear more godawful suno-generated vocals, i'm all for them
God help us all.wav
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Getting routines from codebase64 is file
File = fine sorry no AI correction enabled 😂
Just lie, be dishonest, hack, like all demomakers have always done. All prods will use AI. There is no way to figure that out.
unfortunately that is the future indeed
^ Please do not underestimate the ability of the (new) scene spirit to build trust and overcome cynicism
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Just lie, be dishonest, hack, like all demomakers have always done. All prods will use AI. There is no way to figure that out.
Have a jury also have people to disassemble prods to see if they are done properly.
I am fucking serious. Nothing is stopping a jury from manually checking each and every prod to check its purity.
There is already right and wrong ways to make prods. Why stop now? Take it further for the sake of the digital culture, ffs.
Working stages -> git commit log
:-)
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Nothing is stopping a jury from manually checking each and every prod to check its purity.
Sure there is. Time.
From the Revision compo rules:
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Should you violate these rules we have the right to disqualify your entry during and up to 3 months after Revision.
If an entry is suspicious, there is plenty of time for anyone who cares to look into the matter.
Deliberate compo rule violations are (to the best of my knowledge) pretty rare. Covert violations (rather than obvious ones done in jest) even more so. I don't think this will be any worse for the AI rule. On the contrary, given the prevalent AI discourse, anyone caught cheating on this parameter can be sure to be publicly shamed to a degree scarcely seen in the Demoscene to date.
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Just lie, be dishonest, hack, like all demomakers have always done. All prods will use AI. There is no way to figure that out.
you're assuming that this rule change is wildly unpopular among sceners and that "everyone" would use those kinds of models if it was only allowed. very untrue
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Deliberate compo rule violations are (to the best of my knowledge) pretty rare.
Only if they are easy to tell. There have been plenty converted GFX, for example. And if you make a picture with gen AI, convert it, and fix the obvious conversion artefacts... noone will ever know, or be able to find out. (and workstages can be faked just like that, no worries)
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you're assuming that this rule change is wildly unpopular among sceners and that "everyone" would use those kinds of models if it was only allowed
So, the scene is only for those who conform to the majority view now?
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and workstages can be faked just like that, no worries
Indeed. As we’ve seen on several occasions. Not that these “workstages” can fool a keen observer or another gfxian for a second. But, usually it’s enough for the orgas that “workstages” exist. Whether they’re genuine or not.
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So, the scene is only for those who conform to the majority view now?
Hopefully.
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Working stages -> git commit log
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Yep, that would actually work. Down to the exact source commits.
yeah because one of the three laws of AI coding agents is that they may not generate commits! Its like undercover cops that have to tell you they're cops if you ask them directly, I believe this is how pablo got his escrow-bar or smthn.
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yeah because one of the three laws of AI coding agents is that they may not generate commits! Its like undercover cops that have to tell you they're cops if you ask them directly, I believe this is how pablo got his escrow-bar or smthn.
you could make a 4k intro about that you know.
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yeah because one of the three laws of AI coding agents is that they may not generate commits!
Only if they conform to majority (hopefully)
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Working stages -> git commit log
Just making sure we all got the subtext that both of these can be falsified.
Instead of leading the Battle pro AI and against.
How about with.
AI Competition = AI
SomeweirdnonAIcompo = NoAI
Topic closed instead infinite crying about what is used and what not.
We need also to face the truth that by time, coding plattforms might use AI to correct, extended and enhance code, who will be able to check in a not so far distanced future, if the code is "pure" human build, tell me, who ?! ... None.
The same horses were replaced by cars, the same will happen with AI. There are still people riding horses and avoid cars, so might it be in the scene, but at the end, there is only one solution on a longer term. Have AI compos and lets hope that enough people will still enjoy the process of producing something on their own for regular Compos.
One might continue to cry about this, but life goes on and so, technologies evolve... Its about us, how we deal with this. To ignore might not be that, for what our scene stands, to seperate in different competitions might be more or cup of tea, at least, to limit entries for AI competitions.
How about with.
AI Competition = AI
SomeweirdnonAIcompo = NoAI
Topic closed instead infinite crying about what is used and what not.
We need also to face the truth that by time, coding plattforms might use AI to correct, extended and enhance code, who will be able to check in a not so far distanced future, if the code is "pure" human build, tell me, who ?! ... None.
The same horses were replaced by cars, the same will happen with AI. There are still people riding horses and avoid cars, so might it be in the scene, but at the end, there is only one solution on a longer term. Have AI compos and lets hope that enough people will still enjoy the process of producing something on their own for regular Compos.
One might continue to cry about this, but life goes on and so, technologies evolve... Its about us, how we deal with this. To ignore might not be that, for what our scene stands, to seperate in different competitions might be more or cup of tea, at least, to limit entries for AI competitions.
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AI Competition = AI
SomeweirdnonAIcompo = NoAI
Topic closed instead infinite crying about what is used and what not.
How will that stop the problem of people using AI everywhere anyway?
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Deliberate compo rule violations are (to the best of my knowledge) pretty rare. Covert violations (rather than obvious ones done in jest) even more so. I don't think this will be any worse for the AI rule. On the contrary, given the prevalent AI discourse, anyone caught cheating on this parameter can be sure to be publicly shamed to a degree scarcely seen in the Demoscene to date.
Hopefully its taken further. As I said before, permabans from parties if they are caught even once. Zero tolerance, instant permaban from future series of parties (like, caught once at Revision, ban for life from entering). Preserve the scene, so its not "dead".
No leeway should be given, no matter how popular that person may be.
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The same horses were replaced by cars, the same will happen with AI. There are still people riding horses and avoid cars, so might it be in the scene, but at the end, there is only one solution on a longer term.
I was of the opinion that the scene is exactly about “riding horses”, but seeing the relentless drive of some in the scene for additional “edge” they feel AI will give them, I’m not so sure anymore. Anyway, “we have to embrace AI because we can’t control the abuse” may prove to be inevitable but it just feels wrong nevertheless. It’s like “we can’t determine who’s cheating so let’s all cheat and stop calling it cheating”.
@ML
Your sulking irony got very old very quick for me. We get it, you fear and despise “persecution”. You are panicked about “villagers with pitchforks”. Every post of yours is the same post. Everyone and their dog got it by the 5th or 6th post that communicated the same thing. It’s boring and cringe. Perhaps you’ve been burned. IDK, get over it maybe?
Your sulking irony got very old very quick for me. We get it, you fear and despise “persecution”. You are panicked about “villagers with pitchforks”. Every post of yours is the same post. Everyone and their dog got it by the 5th or 6th post that communicated the same thing. It’s boring and cringe. Perhaps you’ve been burned. IDK, get over it maybe?