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(i.e. the "pubhtml" folder I guess?)
Plus the SQL dbs somehow, but I mean just a per-user mysqldump into the pubhtml folder would be fine too.
@scamp: thank you for the webspace/service over the years. it helped me a ton when starting to dig for prods/bbstros/cracktros years ago :)
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Are u going to tale down the server scamp? (Sorry to much text to read theough here) but if this is or will ve the case can the data be stored at scene.org servers?
Hi Scamp, sorry for the typo's i was in car typing this.. Anyway it would be much appriciated if the data / folders with the data can be stored at the scene.org servers. Its demoscene legacy!
Is this ok with u? Than we can ask someone from scene.org
don't drive and type, magic
Haha i wasnt driving ofcoz.. my wife was
Anyway.. i hope the data will be preserved preferably on scene.org
Anyway.. i hope the data will be preserved preferably on scene.org
that would be nice to give a notice some days ago before, so I can move chiptune.com without having it shutdown without a warning.
but who I am to complain? I got free host during more than 25 years so it's ok I guess.
but who I am to complain? I got free host during more than 25 years so it's ok I guess.
for you, rez.
F5.
F5.
Forgot about chiptune.com, sorry.
Drop me a contact vector in the next weeks and I'll assist on migration.
I do not know what part about it is static vs dynamic, and if it can just be file copied and separated from untergrund.net infrastructure. Let me know in case you can't do it alone.
So this is finally the end of Untergrund, i assume?
In that case, many thanks for the many years providing this service!
In that case, many thanks for the many years providing this service!
It's not the end because I want it to end, but because I do not have options left.
Nobody wishes to takes it over with me leaving, I am asking for that for two years now. Just assume I have been run over by a bus.
No, there was no need to shut it down this week. But does it matter? The problem remains the same, no matter if 2024, 2025, 2026 or 2036.
Do I like it? No. Rez made me feel bad about it once more.
Normally I have solutions for everything. If I could solve the issue by throwing money at it, I would. But doing the right thing properly according to plans drafted in 2024 would be a week or more on code and sysadmin work. Server sysadmins are a VERY rare resource inside the scene these days.
I do not know why chiptune.com and all the other stuff is of no importance to the current generation of sceners. Focus appears to be on re-writing history instead of preserving it.
I do not have a clear answer. I do know that *I* must go.
Nobody wishes to takes it over with me leaving, I am asking for that for two years now. Just assume I have been run over by a bus.
No, there was no need to shut it down this week. But does it matter? The problem remains the same, no matter if 2024, 2025, 2026 or 2036.
Do I like it? No. Rez made me feel bad about it once more.
Normally I have solutions for everything. If I could solve the issue by throwing money at it, I would. But doing the right thing properly according to plans drafted in 2024 would be a week or more on code and sysadmin work. Server sysadmins are a VERY rare resource inside the scene these days.
I do not know why chiptune.com and all the other stuff is of no importance to the current generation of sceners. Focus appears to be on re-writing history instead of preserving it.
I do not have a clear answer. I do know that *I* must go.
And as long as I am around and admin that stuff, it shows that I still care about my ex-community, and that means you will have to enjoy me throwing bombs towards the fascists who managed to hijack that cultures' narrative.
I just made a step back AGAIN. Because this is harming the punk generation of sceners that actually matter. That sucks.
I can not complete my mental separation like this.
And I still do not know what to do about those sceners' website that are not able to decide if they wish their stuff to fade or not, because they are physically dead and I can not ask them.
This sucks.
I will think about it again for a few days.
But what anyone who is alive and cares CAN do about their site now: Prepare it to work on a read-only file system. That most importantly means making sure the site does not require database writes (storing sessionids) for read (page visit) operations. Right now a ton of those sites break when we try to switch the system to read-only. And backup and/or delete everything inside your home directory that you do NOT need any longer. So that you still have OPTIONS.
There are some big sites, like that russian ZX demoscene stuff that should work fine with minimal PHP code modifications by their owners, but which right now do a mysql write for any prod link you click on.
I just made a step back AGAIN. Because this is harming the punk generation of sceners that actually matter. That sucks.
I can not complete my mental separation like this.
And I still do not know what to do about those sceners' website that are not able to decide if they wish their stuff to fade or not, because they are physically dead and I can not ask them.
This sucks.
I will think about it again for a few days.
But what anyone who is alive and cares CAN do about their site now: Prepare it to work on a read-only file system. That most importantly means making sure the site does not require database writes (storing sessionids) for read (page visit) operations. Right now a ton of those sites break when we try to switch the system to read-only. And backup and/or delete everything inside your home directory that you do NOT need any longer. So that you still have OPTIONS.
There are some big sites, like that russian ZX demoscene stuff that should work fine with minimal PHP code modifications by their owners, but which right now do a mysql write for any prod link you click on.
To be clear: This is not about someone providing server resources or hosting. This thing in this state requires constant daily active monitoring due to insecure old user sites. The server platform itself will not get hacked easily, but you WILL end up with all websites getting blocked by Google Safe Browsing & co.
A common routine is "No, dear overlords, this site is NOT spreading viruses, it's just an exe packer used on a demo".
A common routine is "No, dear overlords, this site is NOT spreading viruses, it's just an exe packer used on a demo".
Maybe I just will keep throwing bombs until for example the skilled sysadmin scener who has just decided to join the easter party Gestapo comes to the conclusion that an actual contribution of use would be sysadmin work instead of marching for the red-headed goebbels.
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Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /export.php on this server.
Apache/2.2.15 (CentOS) Server at phpmyadmin.untergrund.net Port 443Outdated Apache WAP that does not like your URL or post parameters. No easy fix. Google if there is a workaround.
Spent some minutes, but..
No clue why that could match. Maybe expecting URLEncoded ANSI, but getting UTF8? I am not speaking regex fluently.
Whatever.
As analyzed in 2024, it will be a very shitty task to preserve this, and nobody found it worth doing it.
Write a custom exporter in a couple of lines of PHP, that probably should do the trick.
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ModSecurity: Access denied with code 403 (phase 2). Pattern match "\\\\%((?!$|\\\\W)|[0-9a-fA-F]{2}|u[0-9a-fA-F]{4})" at ARGS:f.No clue why that could match. Maybe expecting URLEncoded ANSI, but getting UTF8? I am not speaking regex fluently.
Whatever.
As analyzed in 2024, it will be a very shitty task to preserve this, and nobody found it worth doing it.
Write a custom exporter in a couple of lines of PHP, that probably should do the trick.
(and share it for others)
Also had a look to see if there is any way to somehow easily make shit read-only in a way that user scripts can no longer write into their chroot, but people can still log in with personal FTP user accounts and DOWNLOAD.
But yeah, same result as in 2024. Everything breaks completely. Only thing that changed: I speak even less Perl than back then.
No, not going to work.
I can not even preserve my OWN websites (UC stuff etc). Read-only? Bamm.
No, fuck that. Waste of time. The LLMs will do the job of preserving history now.
But yeah, same result as in 2024. Everything breaks completely. Only thing that changed: I speak even less Perl than back then.
No, not going to work.
I can not even preserve my OWN websites (UC stuff etc). Read-only? Bamm.
No, fuck that. Waste of time. The LLMs will do the job of preserving history now.
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Write a custom exporter in a couple of lines of PHP, that probably should do the trick.
I ended up just using https://www.adminer.org/ - the same as PHPMyAdmin but without the suck.
omg. Yoiu can not imagine how many exploited adminer-versions we had to delete over the years. Never looked at their cod or CVE, in the last years it just was a standard pattern to search for adminer.php installations when a user account was blowing up the mysql with disk writes.
Anyway, good you solved it. Bedtime.
Anyway, good you solved it. Bedtime.
@Scamp
i know how the @min, serverlife is. Doing the host back from the year 2000 on for Tristar till those days for devlab and tsa.
Often, people simple know a shit how much work is needed to keep things running, up to date, compatible etc. Giving the scene this underground place where they found a save harbor and a protected too is an insane gift.
It seems a little bit like, scene gives a shit about the past or is simple not interested to preserve their legacy. People that once builded dynamic web pages are gone, dead, have moved their point of interest. On a long term, the only safe option would be, to make somehow a readable dump of all still working pages, based only on static html. If there is a good solution or tools, to do that, this would be nice.
If rainbow unicorns are more important to the community (which is also ok, if) as to preserve a whole legacy, then it is simple. Set a deadline, make a last backup and switch off underground.net. lets say till 1.1.2028 and after that. OFFLINE. After that, no further discussions, no more shitchat talk, a clean deadline and then all is gone except a dump you keep somewhere if someone would try to preserve this, everything else should be no longer your concern.
I want not to jump into the discussion what scamp did, what good, what bad. Its only about, finding own peace. If hard work, steady reability and a long term work isn´t worth to get preserved, if nowadays other things are more important.... leave it, let it go.
i know how the @min, serverlife is. Doing the host back from the year 2000 on for Tristar till those days for devlab and tsa.
Often, people simple know a shit how much work is needed to keep things running, up to date, compatible etc. Giving the scene this underground place where they found a save harbor and a protected too is an insane gift.
It seems a little bit like, scene gives a shit about the past or is simple not interested to preserve their legacy. People that once builded dynamic web pages are gone, dead, have moved their point of interest. On a long term, the only safe option would be, to make somehow a readable dump of all still working pages, based only on static html. If there is a good solution or tools, to do that, this would be nice.
If rainbow unicorns are more important to the community (which is also ok, if) as to preserve a whole legacy, then it is simple. Set a deadline, make a last backup and switch off underground.net. lets say till 1.1.2028 and after that. OFFLINE. After that, no further discussions, no more shitchat talk, a clean deadline and then all is gone except a dump you keep somewhere if someone would try to preserve this, everything else should be no longer your concern.
I want not to jump into the discussion what scamp did, what good, what bad. Its only about, finding own peace. If hard work, steady reability and a long term work isn´t worth to get preserved, if nowadays other things are more important.... leave it, let it go.
