AI tooling in the Demoscene
category: residue [glöplog]
the way i see it, the only way this is going to make any sense is to have separate live and premade compos. In live compos you shouldn't even get the internet, just a platform, compiler and gfx manual and the whole thing should be livestreamed. For premade compos AI would be fine since you can't actually police it at all, so trying to do so is futile and we still want to enjoy grand epic prods (which will only get more grand and epic if people spend less time writing boilerplate).
Finally parties will be some weeks, so you have time for a big demo :)
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I'd totally delegate "graphics" to an AI once it becomes good enough for C64 stuff for that matter - because it will enable me to do what i want, without waiting forever, and dealing with self proclaimed artists (there i said it) who only want to do exactly what they want.
LOL, LMAO.
Groepaz making a future C64 demo: “C’mon guys. I need gfx. Why nobody wants to work with me anymore?”
You didn't understand the problem.
Your attitude? 😄
Yes, that's it
Lol fuck AI.
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I'd totally delegate "graphics" to an AI once it becomes good enough for C64 stuff for that matter - because it will enable me to do what i want, without waiting forever, and dealing with self proclaimed artists (there i said it) who only want to do exactly what they want.
I mean, why stop there? You could save valuable time spent waiting for a party and all that excruciatingly slow human voting by simply showing your demos to an "AI audience"! Make sure you also design a trophy using AI, which AI can then award to the AI
Given i don't give a fuck about voting, or trophys, sure why not
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Why so? I can see that it may be blurry here and there, and sometimes clearly the same thing (think vibing a code generator AND the code it generates), but it should mostly be quite a clear distinction, like between finding your spline control points off-line and applying them at run-time.Not even the distinction between runtime and tooling holds any water for a second.
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Made me smile. :DAI coding agents are quite happy to shave an effectively infinite number of yaks in the process of solving a problem
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Given i don't give a fuck about voting, or trophys, sure why not
Right. You only “give a fuck” about anonymous downvoting.
Maybe coding without AI is soon going to be like coding in pure assembly.
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Right. You only “give a fuck” about anonymous downvoting.
You are quite obsessed with the idea that not liking something is not an option :)
while this started out as a decent enough conversation thread it has now devolved into the same old bunch of folks calling eachother names and whatnot, so what happens next should not surprise anyone
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I'd totally delegate "graphics" to an AI once it becomes good enough for C64 stuff for that matter - because it will enable me to do what i want, without waiting forever, and dealing with self proclaimed artists (there i said it) who only want to do exactly what they want.
damn bro i did not expect you to fall off this hard lmao
.oO( Somebody should tell these "moderators" what the word "moderate" means. )
well go on then
Well. I tried.
@BoyC:
FWIW I'm very sorry your thread got derailed. I know what it feels like when something you care about gets derailed and/or residued.
I'd like to point out that in my opinion it was mainly Groepaz who effectively derailed the thread by baiting people with his bitter and disrespectful remark about "self proclaimed artists".
I'm saying this because I see impressionable people going "it's always 4gentE or tomkh". What can I say. There will always be impressionable people as well as superficial people and those that just want to fit in even by spitting on priorly identified "legitimate" targets.
Back when all AI had to show was lame gfx, the much needed art discussions here got derailed by coders and their poor understanding of graphic art. Now that the AI is actually being used for code, again I see (some of the same) coders derailing "their own" (meaning coding themed) thread by again casually and unneccesary spittting at graphicians. Sad.
FWIW I'm very sorry your thread got derailed. I know what it feels like when something you care about gets derailed and/or residued.
I'd like to point out that in my opinion it was mainly Groepaz who effectively derailed the thread by baiting people with his bitter and disrespectful remark about "self proclaimed artists".
I'm saying this because I see impressionable people going "it's always 4gentE or tomkh". What can I say. There will always be impressionable people as well as superficial people and those that just want to fit in even by spitting on priorly identified "legitimate" targets.
Back when all AI had to show was lame gfx, the much needed art discussions here got derailed by coders and their poor understanding of graphic art. Now that the AI is actually being used for code, again I see (some of the same) coders derailing "their own" (meaning coding themed) thread by again casually and unneccesary spittting at graphicians. Sad.
4gentE: you are my alter-ego, that's why it works so well :-)
I am sorry for derail. That comment was directed at one or two individuals who i worked with in the past, and who would fit the description, who sucked all my energy and who are basically the reason for why i haven't done anything creative for a while. It wasn't meant meant to offend ppl at large.
The point was, the only way i will ever do something again, is by doing it all on my own. Using the tools that are available to me. And i don't see a problem with using AI either - just don't say you've done it yourself. Basically the same deal as with converted gfx in the past.
The point was, the only way i will ever do something again, is by doing it all on my own. Using the tools that are available to me. And i don't see a problem with using AI either - just don't say you've done it yourself. Basically the same deal as with converted gfx in the past.
groepaz: yeah, there is clearly double-standard somewhere here...we are roughly on the same boat (coders vs artists) IMHO when it comes to AI replacing us slowly but surely, but it seems coders are way more chill with it than artists. So much, that if coder dabs into AI (for tooling or whatnot), artists are usually closing an eye on it. But if you "god forbid" someone uses AI to create audio/visual content there is an outrage. I do understand it a bit though. It's good that we discuss it. Hopefully in a calm, rational way.
This was @tomkh’s way of saying “I’m NOT sorry for the derail/hijack.”
i totally get that it's tempting to get rid of a tedious task that just seems annoying and "has to be done". and as much as i would like to paint a picture that is not just black and white, i fail to do so. most of us agree that the line to draw, what should be allowed to use and what shouldn't, is blurry at best and there is a good chance that if we draw it somewhere, it will be moved sooner or later. to me art is something very human, it's made for humans, it's their experience and their expression. specifically for the demoscene it's the creative interaction with computers. personally i think every part of that experience has an influence on us and the way we express ourselves, even the tools. now you can rightfully argue that the particular influence of writing one is minor compared to the demo itself, but i personally cannot spot the qualitative difference.
i simply prefer humans.
i simply prefer humans.
