Use of UE et cetera

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Kb: if you want to put it out of context....
So what your view on commercial engines vs non commercial engines in the demoscene and compos at parties?
added on the 2018-08-20 14:30:02 by magic magic
magic: tuurlijk joh, ga er vooral over door, zet jezelf gerust nog wat harder voor lul
added on the 2018-08-20 14:32:47 by havoc havoc
havoc: dit gaat niet om mij blijf alsjeblieft on topic aub
added on the 2018-08-20 14:35:40 by magic magic
I think this discussion turned quite silly rather fast. Somehow there seems to be one side that is "defending" the creative freedom of using an engine when doing a demo.
The thing is, at least to me, the other side doesn't exist, there is no one who argues for a "ban" of using engine in the demoscene.
What *does* exist though, is people who are impressed by people writing their own engines. If I recall correctly, Navis more or less codes everything in ASD demos from scratch. That is impressive to me, and yes, I am a bit more impressed than I would have been if he instead used UE or Unity or Notch or whatever.
I really don't see the controversy in this.
To make an analogy to music - say that you listen to a great new song, and want to know if they actually have a drummer playing, or it's done purely with a drum machine.
This is not saying that "all music using drum machines are bad" or "ban music with drum machines", it's simply stating that you appreciate the talent it takes to play those drums.
As I appreciate the talent it takes to write a 3D engine from scratch.
added on the 2018-08-20 14:36:55 by Sdw Sdw
magic, je bent klaarblijkelijk te dom om te begrijpen wat je zelf schrijft... heel sneu is dat
added on the 2018-08-20 14:40:35 by havoc havoc
I played around in tooll.io a bit in the last few weeks and i even developed respect for those who manage to do non trivial stuff with it in finite time.

i remember at mekka'96 some well respected C64 scener that you all know coming to me and ranting about how it was lame to use "sourcecodes" in cross-assemblers. yeah what kind of lamers would do this shit? STOP IT!
added on the 2018-08-20 14:55:34 by groepaz groepaz
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added on the 2018-08-20 15:00:15 by gloom gloom
Although I agree with this and is a funny albeit reductio absurdum story: releasing tracks at demoparties using 100% Vengeance loops for strings, pads, leads, percussion and drums does feel a bit like cheating. Even if you properly credit them, I guess most would assume you'd just use one or two samples and not complete loops. YMMD, but at this point it becomes merely an execise in mixing, mastering and songwriting. Tough disciplinesin their own right though.
added on the 2018-08-20 15:45:42 by numtek numtek
numtek, isn't there a social stigma going along with using loops exclusively lile that? ;) esp. with popular loop collections, you'll probably get a portion of shame from other artists if you dare release it.
added on the 2018-08-20 18:55:57 by jco jco
Guys, why are we so divided about this? There has to be some sort of in between solution.
All this argument, all this division, seems like... unreal to me.
Is there any chance for unity?
added on the 2018-08-21 04:10:23 by Kteto Kteto