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Some *real* recent ecologic news, just so you know:

Oceans rapidly turning acidic
"This dramatic increase is 100 times more than at any time in the last 20 million years could cause “irreversible damage”. “Ocean acidification is irreversible on timescales of at least tens of thousands of years, and substantial damage to ocean ecosystems can only be avoided by urgent and rapid reductions in global emissions of CO2,”

Moderate global warming to wipe out many species
"For each degree centigrade of warmer temperature, it is predicted that 10 percent of all known species will disappear"

NATIONAL SURVEY REVEALS BIODIVERSITY CRISIS - SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS BELIEVE WE ARE IN MIDST OF FASTEST MASS EXTINCTION IN EARTH'S HISTORY

Colony collapse disorder
...From 1972 to 2006, there was a dramatic reduction in the number of feral honeybees in the U.S. (now almost absent);...

Worldwide Increase of Jellyfish More Than Just an Annoyance to Beachgoers
It is not just overfishing causing the increase in populations. Increasing sea temperatures, fertilizer runoff, dumping of chemicals, etc has all contributed to the explosion of jellyfish. In some parts of the world jellyfish have become as large as refrigerators do to environmental changes combining perfectly with man-made chemical runoff.

AciiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID!

Planet X will smash earth in 2012

Prabhupada predicted 9/11 and reptilian man eaters

So our dumping of all kinds of waste into the ocean through the last 100 years are practically without effect. it is all the Co2's fault. Is this what I am reading in this article here, because it certainly looks like it?



This is blurring the debate even further with argument to emotion. as 99,999999999999% of all species that ever was on the planet is now extinct.



Hahaha

poor moron

Don't you mean; STONE THE INFIDEL!!!

eebliss CO2, when introduced to (sea)water produces carbonic acid. Maybe that was the point?

The point of these news, is that they are more likely to kill everyone than air co2.

uncle-x: that was sarcasm, ofcource it does. but we also have been dumping tocix waste and they don't mention that.

krabob, you really are a lunatic. so now you want to ban h2o?

:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi1LU45Nip0

rtype, you really are a morron. BASS.

@Krabob:

You can't possibly trust a quote from the "United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity" ?

CO2 is NOT the foremost problem.

- Toxic waste is
- Nuclear waste, including depleated Uranium in weapons, is
- Robber-mining the planet is
- Strip-fishing the seas b/c of EU / UN catch quotas is
- Still relying on a 100 y/o method of combustion is (i.e. the 4 stroke engine)
- Outsourcing heavy industries for profit to countries that "don't care" is
- Polluting the air & soil with real toxic chemicals (SO2,H2S,NO2 or NH3 ) is!!!

... the list goes on

Do you hear ANY words regarding the above points from this sharade in København ? NOPE!
Why ?

Because the very crooks who are committing this atrocities just to rake in some more profit and to stay "competetive on the global market" are on the list of sponsors of f.e. the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia which was in large part responsible for this outrageous "CO2-the-climate-killer" hysteria.

Then this control freaks want to lay out a global taxation plan measured by the BIP of all the countries - guess who's gonna pay - not the industry.
Next thing is the "cap & trade" financial derivatives which are being created to "trade" CO2-emmission-certificates.
THAT's what the big guys want.
Why the hell are there no "NO2-emmission-certificates" for example?
Al Gore owns one of the biggest companies that will issue such certificates.
Guess why this rotten crook is writing ludicrous books about "Oh my gawwd, CO2 will kill us all".

I'm done...

but...

"control freaks"...


... "control freaks"... now...

YOU OBEY THESE SAME STATE "CONTROL FREAKS" FOR ANYTHING ELSE !!! FOOD, HOUSING, .. WHATEVER IS IN YOUR FUCKING LIFE !!! IT'S CALLED A STATE !!! YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH ALL YOUR LIFE LONG WHEN IT WAS ABOUT FUCKING THE PLANET AND RUN YOUR STUPID LIFE !!! AND THE DAY WERE THEY WANT TO PUT SOME TINY EXCUSE TAX FOR ECOLOGY, YOU CAN'T FELL YOURSELF SO MUCH YOU CRY AND CLAIM FOR A REVOLUTION ! FUCK !!! BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE !! YOU REALIZE NOTHING ! YOU'RE ALL BLIND FUCKING MORRONS.

... pfff calmer now.

Dodge. no the politicians are not saying those things, but the scientists are. In the other thread I posted an MIT debate on climategate. I found it quite illuminating.

regulation is one thing (building codes, food safety...)
absolute tyranny is another; there not two points on the same spectrum from which we need to find a "balance", they are not even on the same line

one preserves freedom (protecting lives)
the other just takes it away

the two are not even comparable

you eebliss & rtype moron, try to understand this one:

What is a scientific field according to you, in a social way ? Answer: Science specialists working togethers. The fact is, you can't progress on a science if you work on your own. You have to work with people of your level. You can't come like that and claim you are a climatologist. climatology is a complex science, which use complex stuffs. They do long studies (serious studies, not like computer science phD that seems to produce 80% morons.) Be afraid: a computer scientist in in *no case* a climatologist.

--> eebliss+rtype: all your claims in this thread tend to show you have no idea about all that.

only climatologists are *allowed* to have an advice on climatology. If some climate disaster happens, do you expect independant moron hackers to find out about it and alert states to change laws ?

In the practise of science, inside a scientific field, If a theory come out, it is the work of each searcher in the field to proove it is right or not. Science is based on doubt and experiments. They really have no other things to do than prooving global warming is wrong. up to now 97% of the climatologists claim the global warming is induced by human activity.

No ? Yes ! Oh what a wonderful world !
--> OUR BULLSHITS INTHIS THREAD by eebliss and rtype teds to show they have no idea about all that.

3. In the world, only US and UK newspapers and bloggers speak of climategate. The rest of the world (france , etc...) doesn't seem to give a shit. Why ? because the lameness of the global warming oponent is clear.
No surprise, US and UK are the leaders of liberal capitalism who never care a ball of the planet since the beggining of ages.
These show YOU, as ALWAYS, are the pawns. the moron pawns of capitalism.

Last try:
-How can you trust someone speaking of climat ?
-BECAUSE HE IS A CLIMATOLOGIST !

@Krabob ... mind your tounge! If you're not capable of argueing like an adult - leave it.

Again.
A real evironmentalist approach to stop polluting the planet would concentrate on one or even more of the points I mentioned - which indeed have merit, don't you think?

@eebliss:
Who sponsors these scientists ?
To whom these sponsored scientists send their papers to be discussed ?
Normally to their fellow collegues to do a peer review.
But as the latest revelations on the "CRU" brought up, they tried to avoid that scientific process because a lot of their collegues ( Meteorologists, Oceanologists f.e.) disagreed with their models and calculation data.

So the "cooked" data makes its way to the politicians of the IPCC.

Being a scientist today does not necessarely mean to be totally off the
hook of the political and industrial kabal - which they genuinely should be ofcourse.

oops... "Oceanologists" => "ceanographic scientists"

Let's see that:

Do you prefer no København ? No ecology politic at all ? That's exactly what they want you to ask !
Do you realize how little the ecologic laws are ? close to nothing !
+,To my mind: The politician are completely gulliable about it. They know disasters will happen, they know they are guilty somehow, right and left, for the growth they all promoted, and they just want to have an excuse to say they voted some little CO2 laws. I actually saw a lecture from yves cochet, the only french deputy for degrowth, an engeneer teacher, who sais sarkozy and all knows the stuffs about oil depletion, CO2, and all, but does nothing.

Anyone with a brain by now should be in hysteria. Sort of: it is clear we are guilty of fucking up most of the life on the planet, certainly including human themselves (because of no more plant and meat soon will diseappear or anywhat on 2 or 3 theories, well that's what the scientists really says if you go listen lectures, we can also speak about scientists that suicided themselves because of this) . It's more sick than any scarry movie really. Yes, we should all run histerical in a first phase. degrowth in a second phase. please.

But who buys the products of the industry ? the people !
The industry wouldn't polute if people weren't addicted to them !
eco-taxes are meant to discourage buyers on poluting products !
Yes, one or 2 rich guys will not care and get richers. That's capitalism, not ecologism. Here again is the real debate between "sustainable development" (let's all continue and repaint green:impossible) and De-growth (possible): involve a relocalization of economic activities in order to end humanity's dependence on fossil fuels and reduce its ecological imprint

Here again... What the fuck is this question really ???
You see scientists as sportsmen that's it ? "sponsored" What the fuck it's so sick.

Men, there was a time not so long ago were scientists was paid by states in idependant organisations. These was indeed made to assure independance of the science field. This is only lately with liberalism, that private corporations managed states to fire out state scientists. I guess you think a scientist paid by monsanto is more to be trusted than a public state one ?

they have absolutely no incentive to prove it wrong. their entire livelihoods and sub-"science" depends on perpetuating the lie. and their funds come from people who expect certain "results" and I think most of them are aware of that fact. it's the fear of Global Warming that keeps those grants flooding in and their departments open - not truth and genuine science. Which is exactly why we are now seeing reports of fudged data.



no, because apparently a large proportion of the French have no problem with a man (Sarkozey), born in a family mansion and who drives around in limos, pointing his Royal finger at them and telling them that they must make "sacrifices" to their already relatively basic lifestyles in order to "Save the earth". While at the same time deceitfully handing over French independence to the EU/United Nations.

You expect me to trust a scientific field which is funded and supported by royalty, very old established banking families, elite NGOs whose Chairmen are some of the richest business men in the world. These are the same people who designed democracy to give us the illusion of "freedom" and have been controlling elected government from the start. The scientific research and predictions which they pay for are based on million year old fossils, limited computer models (designed by "80% stupid computer scientists") and their data is fudged.

Yet you want me to just trust them and be happy that they are taxing me to pay for their "new" centralized ultra-socialist world government? Is this a step up for me and you, or them?

And you are right, Capitalism IS also bullshit. It creates suffering and is fucking up mankind. But, realistically at the moment, it is all we have and I do not trust these people (government and their friends) to create a utopia beneficial to you and me. I'm not happy about being dragged away from capitalism into a bogus scientific feudalism by the same old crooks.

Get rid of their influence and I will support YOU and any other genuine person who wants real change. Get them out of Climate Change "science" and I may begin to believe. You do not build a new house on rotten foundations.

Now that's more like it.


I do. But laws on a gas even a little microb produces are not the answer.
These pinheads just picked the one gas that is heavily involved in the life
cycle because THEY KNOW it's involved in many aspects of life.
That's what brings me the "screamin' willies" - why don't they legislate REAL
laws to force the corporations to clean up the mess they make ?

Because they are BOUGHT and PAID and COMPROMISED by the corporations.
They're OWNED by them and so are we unless we VOTE with our BUYING BEHAVIOR as long as we have the power to do so ... let's giv'em 20 years and it really will be like in the
original "Rollerball" with James Caan.


Yes, but CO2 is not the real problem.
All the other atrocities are. As I mentioned - industrial farming and genetic
egineering is far more dangerous for the biosphere than CO2 emmissions, which the next volcano would produce if we wouldn't.


Here I disagree - well a bit.
I'd rather prefer the de-centralisation ( i.e. de-globalisation) of industries, energy management and farming as well as governments.
What can one do about it ? Buy local. Support your local farmers. I do and
you can't have any fresher food on the table than what you bought right at the local fair.

The point is that the so called "3rd world" still is under the yoke of their former colonial masters. Nowadays this is done throgh the corporations, the IMF (see Zimbabwe hyperinflation) and so called "economic help" ( i.e. robbing 10 bln in resources for every 1 bln of "fiat money help").
So instead of honestly helping these poor countries to develop an own market (remember: de-centralisation) and using their resources to benefit their own people - reckless juntas are brought to power by the clandestine services that act in discretion to the big corporations which very much like to pay less for the oil/gold/coal/copper/whatever.

Question:
Did you see the very good documentation "The corporation".
If not, please watch it.