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• cdc #1: Teddybear's Revenge by Eclipse [web]
• cdc #2: The nonstop Ibiza experience by orange
• cdc #3: burra by Aardbei [web]
• cdc #4: Hyperventilation by Byterapers [web]
• cdc #5: mechasm by Fairlight [web]
• cdc #6: gaia - poetry of life by Marquee Design [web]

• cracktro Windows Die by the Sword by Class
• release this shitcrap in a pack or smth.
• sucksadded on the 2004-01-24 12:28:58
• cracktro Windows Dune 2000 by Class
• release this shitcrap in a pack or smth.
• sucksadded on the 2004-01-24 12:28:43
• cracktro Windows Unreal (cracktro) by Class
• release this shitcrap in a pack or smth.
• sucksadded on the 2004-01-24 12:28:26
• 4k Amiga AGA Perspiration by Efreet
• hint: logically, there's an algorithm that gives you these tables :)
  
  looks impressive.
• rulezadded on the 2004-01-23 16:00:02
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  Yeah I see your point, it was also designed to serve those who themself designed it at the cost of those who didnt have any power.
  

  
  Allthough you should not forget that this occured on a broad scale of "social levels"; which doesn't make it something exclusively brought up strictly by what used to be the "upper class". Nonetheless it is questionable, ofcourse.
  
  
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  Well isnt the best for yourself not to pay for any software? ;P

  
  
  I'm not sure; the way things work right now it might be profitable for myself, but if anyone else started doing it too, soon there wouldn't be anything left. Unless the whole system changes ofcourse.. but that's unlikely to happen just 'like that'.
  
  
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  I believe the reason why the "human nature" is so apparent in todays society is just because she actually is under control. Think about it, no one will commit any crimes if everything is allowed because there aren't any crimes to commit :)

  
  
  I think you're underestimating the deeds that come forth out of human emotions ;)
  
  
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  My opinion is that the same thing can be said about religion as you said about socialism and communism, in the past all of them have been overshadowed by human egoism.

  
  
  That said, I think we can agree that human egoism, a very primitive aspect that resides in all of us (albeit in different proportions), has been a great barrier for things such as religion, socialism and communism (and many more); and I'm totally unsure if this human aspect will ever disappear.. It's the way of nature; there's not really a point in denying that. The question is if we can "beat" it, as it were.
  
  So in the end it seems there *is* a basis for a normal discussion after all, luckily :) - But all that aside, let's not have it in this production's thread any longer ;)
  
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-21 10:45:16
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  Why don't you think I've reflected on this? Do you think you know me? If there's anything I have that you want I'd be happy to share it with you (but if I'd just let you Take everything it wouldn't be denying of ownership just redistribution of it, no?). I don't think our life styles are much alike but I try to live after my ideals as much as I can, just as you seem to do.

  
  
  I think they might just be surprisingly likewise. And even though I'm not some kind of tree-hugging hippie, this does not imply that I'm not willing to share. Hell, any idea where tax payments go these days? ;)
  
  
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  ... but I believe it's this economical system you're refering to who should take the blame for this problem ...
  

  
  
  Exactly. It wasn't designed after nowadays technology, and alas, there is no one to blame for that.
  
  
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  Im sorry but I see things totally the other way around. The true art is to live without any limitations, it's not a crime to deny the system and philosophing and whining all day is alot more constructive then killing of and hurting eachother with wars and prisons. I've never claimed to be an intellectual and my belief is that it's You who is ignoring the environment ("you cant own land and you cant eat money"). And what hard work is it that you're refering to that you do? Are you helping progression anything by holding on to your medieval values? Are you politicaly active? Are you really trying to change society or are you just holding on as hard as you can to your DVD:s and your 12":s and your money?

  
  
  Sure, it's perfectly legal to "whine" all day long; luckily this freedom is still left intact. Besides all that, I tend to think that life is about making the best out of it for yourself (this does not exclude supporting other people and their goals), and the way I see it, disobedience in the form of piracy is not exactly one of the things I respect in people when it comes to the will to provoke progression. Maybe I'm medieval and retarded, but I was raised in this society and even though I am open to discussion and new views, certain things have been engraved in my own system and violation of these values have an impact that goes beyond that what is controllable by thought. Try discussing progressive points of view with elderly people to get an idea of this phenomenon in a nutshell..
  
  
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  You're just reciting the law, what is the fundamental difference?
  

  
  
  The fundamental difference is that these people don't have access to the same entertainment product after they left my premises. They'd have to buy it, and pay for it. Or just ask me for a copy, *grin* :)
  
  
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  .. socialism, communism ..
  

  
  
  We're still waiting for the first successful variant of these systems; in the past all of them have been overshadowed by human egoism. Balance of power is often lost in these systems.
  
  
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  .. anarchism, technocratism ..
  

  
  
  The latter appeals to me quite a bit. The first term makes me shiver; I do not believe in all *laws*, but I do believe in *law*. People have to be controlled and regulated at least a bit, denying this would imply denial of the, not always as charming, human nature. And nature in general, really.
  
  
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  .. religion ..
  

  
  
  I personally don't condemn religious people, but I think religion has had it's best time by now.
  
  
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  .. or just try to start caring a little bit more about people and a little bit less about profit? ..
  

  
  
  I personally care about my (and therefore implicitly about others) happiness more than "profit". Remember that profit is also something one shares. Apart from material issues most personal joy comes from interaction with other human beings; in order for this to be satisfactory, others need to be satisfied too. I'm not a capitalist errand-boy, something most of you like to think, I'm just not that negative about things that aren't directly progressive.
  
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-21 09:15:40
• demo Commodore 64 You Know The Routine by Camelot [web]
• just thumbing this up in order not to break the tradition :) - and it's probably good.
• rulezadded on the 2004-01-21 08:29:45
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  i don't support mass-scale pirating, this one IS hurting general creativity and especially mainstream multimedia bizness : but blame P2P networks, not the crackers! Cracking is an art. Commercialism tends to kill or impoverish Art. Chase and sentence all the people *selling* warez or mass-duplicating it.

  
  
  That's quite accurate, yeah.
  
  Oh and, uhm, does anyone here have a viable idea about how human society should function? If there's a replacement for this web of rules and monetary-egocentrism, tell the world about it. It wouldn't hurt.
• isokadded on the 2004-01-21 08:11:52
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
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  "well, plek, you can be sure i won't let your words on me just be like that. just because you happen to speak better english than some of us, and happen to work in some whatever software developement company, you think you can consider yourself clever? you worthless little nu-media geek yuppie, i wouldn't even bother to reply if it wasn't for your talent to insult people."
  

  
  
  I insult people yes. And it seems to work, which is to my liking. Something that does not seem to come through to your thick skull is that my background has little to do with my less than lenient views on theft.
  
  
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  i can write you a whole essay based on ethiics and culture theory to prove my standpoint from a scientific point of view, and the only points you have are like "i'm so afraid to lose my money" and "my mother always told me that people breaking law are evil murderers"... yeah yeah, and she assumingly also buys the clothes for you and does your hair.
  

  
  
  You don't seem to do much more than telling everyone about the miraculous competence you're hiding inside? I'd suggest you'd come up with a few solid arguments then, instead of countering the completely valid comparison between theft and murder for both being a very generic phenomenon in a childish way that does not invalidate it by far.
  
  
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  and, last not least, the least thing i'm promoting is to encourage the involvement of EVERY demoscene member in piracy. i'm not intending stuff like "every real scener must have been a pirate" or anything like that. everyone should act according to his own values. but if certain sceners condemn the scene's roots in such a fraudulent way, then something is differently wrong.
  

  
  
  I do not condemn this subculture's root. You must understand that I definately see the charms of the "warez" culture back in those years; and the rather low availability of software indeed was quite an argument in favor of it. It was small, and the impact that they had was nowhere near dangerous. These days, this "warez" culture has brought us kids with complete arrays of CD/DVD writers, kids constantly busy ripping DVD's, CD's and other media and spreading it on a large scale without realizing that what they are doing is not only illegal and far beyond any definition of fair, but it has little to do with that small charming "warez" thing there was long ago *you* are referring to. I really think you should re-evaluate things and maybe conclude that the charm is largely overwhelmed by it's size and it's
  agressive nature.
  
  
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  if the count of such scene misfits like plek will form a majority, the demoscene WILL BE DEAD, at least as a part of the oldest computer-based subculture. it will be some nu-media community like there are x-amount of others... well, anyway, i definitely dont have time to go on further (since i'm definitely not the low-life workless jerk plek wants me to look like), so, i'd say, if plek is willing to continue this discussion on a higher level (no, NOT by beating eachother up), he's welcome to meet me at breakpoint and explain to me his theory of cutting off a subculture's roots. but i bet he neither has the guts nor the skills to do so, and his only argument is his primary fear of losing his job, and some ethics he doesn't question but just takes them as they are.
  

  
  
  So just because I hold on to quite common values, I am a misfit? I believe daily reality prescribes the exact inverse, but that hurts, doesn't it? I'm getting a little tired of psuedo-intellectuals like you, placing yourself on a platform on behalf of arguments that don't show a clear sense of reality. Really, I don't care about what you do and how you do it, and I'm not exactly afraid of losing any kind of job. And yes, I'd be more than glad to have a discussion at BP about this, perhaps that way would allow me to show you that my vision goes beyond good or bad, beyond "these guys are bad" and "my mother told me to read the bible and earn my own living", even though it does not directly approve of piracy.
  
  
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  better keep your mouth shut and don't make a bigger fool out of yourself than you already are.

  
  
  I'm not impressed by your foul language; it doesn't make you look very smart. But hey, it impresses a few dumb sceners.
  
  
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  Oh well that's great, let's go back another few centuries shall we and see how this "ownage" was founded. The stone-age man who would just bluntly kill everyone who "trespassed" and tried to "steal" "his" land.. The concept of human propirty is something that solely comes out of the barrel of a gun. The great thing about "information" is that it doesnt obey the laws of physics but can exist in many forms on several different places at the same time, hence i dont even consider copying information theft.
  

  
  
  So, basically, you wouldn't care less if I dropped by your house and took everything you had? Take a minute to reflect on reality. Yes, reality. Ideals are nice, but if I stole your car, really, you wouldn't approve of it. I guess that takes care of your abstract babble that basically comes down to denying the concept of ownership (yes, it's written *that* way). Still, I've heard about this difference between reproduction that does not imply a loss of the original and classic theft right now, but I have not heard about the following:
  
  A large game title, for example, requires many millions to be invested in order to be produced. We're talking actual *people* like you and me who have to be paid (in order to eat, since they can't blatantly "copy" a bread), we're talking one or more offices to host these people, we're talking hardware that can't just be "copied".. Doesn't that at least make you think for a split second? We're dealing with ordinary products and services here, but for some reason, entertainment products like these do not deserve to exist? If it were for you, music, movies, games and other software would have to disappear in it's current form. This purely because you don't respect the right of the producer to sell his product. Losless reproduction of goods indeed introduces quite a problem regarding our current economical system though.
  
  
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  People should ofcourse be able to live. But how about the poor artist, the homeless man or the starving farmer in china? Do they not have the equal right to make a living as you do? The reason you cant always make a living out of what you want is not that kids are freely sharing the information you "produced" but the fact that you are born as a slave under society and are not allowed to make your own decisions.

  
  
  The true art is to live with the given limitations. I don't see it as a crime to fit into the system a little, instead of philosophing and whining all day about how things are morally wrong, and that you can't wait for evolution to clean up this mess. I'm getting tired of these so-called intellectuals (because really, you guys aren't that as smart as you'd like to think) who keep ignoring their environment. Progression is reached through hard work, not through sitting around and whining about the reality that surrounds you.
  
  
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  So what your saying is that you're allowed to copy as much as you can actually memorize in your head? Then how about reading a book for your children? Neither you or them can memorize the whole book yet you're the only one paying for it.
  

  
  
  Not an argument in any kind of way. Reading a book's content out loud is perfectly legal according to the user's license you implicitly agree with at the time you buy a book. You can also watch a movie you bought with a few friends, or listen to that new CD. This is proper use of the product, and does infringe the producer's right since no value is lost.
  
  
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  have you ever nightmared about a world without any free/pirated software and information ? in my opinion that would induce less universal knowledge, less amateur creativity and a poor cultural world based only on money, selfishness and total consumerism (buy and consume! Amen)... besides *real* deaths of all the scenes we love.

  
  
  Yeah I agree. It's just the scale of the activities that I do *not* agree with. Oh and by the way, I always pay for my DVD's, my games and my 12"'s; this does not limit me in any kind of way. I do, illegaly, use some software every now and then and indeed, I think that on a reasonable non-profit scale, this isn't that much of a problem. But! It is *not* correct.
  
  Oh and "maktone", I'm not going to answer any more of your incoherent rants. I hope you're happy with yourself, and hopefully a little aging will do the trick for you. I fail to see why I am fulfilled with greed.
  
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-21 07:54:08
• intro Windows The End (endtro) by Class
• Wain: You've shown your incapability in a sufficient manner by now; you may now leave.
  
• isokadded on the 2004-01-20 23:33:59