Symphony 2004 Invitation by Plastic [web] & MadWizards [web]
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release date : june 2004
invitation for : Symphony 2004
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added on the 2004-06-15 01:09:12 by bonzaj bonzaj

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added on the 2004-06-15 01:10:32 by bonzaj bonzaj
If it weren't for ARB_fragment_program I could run your demo.

And I thought I had a good graphics card...
added on the 2004-06-15 01:29:51 by crusader crusader
an invitation should run on a wide range of cards in my opinion, mine is not that old.
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 01:39:42 by stm stm
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 01:56:11 by termos termos
Fails with illegal memory acces. In addition to that the GUI is broken and does no show any start button. I had to guess using <tab>.

I got a DX9 card with the newest drivers. Sorry, that sucks.
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 02:00:19 by Stelthzje Stelthzje
They only want high spec users at their party. :P
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 02:10:31 by Shanethewolf Shanethewolf
stm's words.

except that I'll wait to see if a working ( on "low" spec users hardware ) version peeks a boo in the forthcoming days/weeks before rating it.
added on the 2004-06-15 02:15:26 by p01 p01
I 've always wondered wether one guy would have any amount of cheek to ripp Kenji Kawai for a demo. I can't believe it! I don't want to thumb it down coz' this should have required lots of work. Anyway : piggy face.. And that's so slow!
added on the 2004-06-15 02:27:23 by daddyvx daddyvx
DX9 card, but verrrrry slow code and Ghost in the Shell ripoff soundtrack ...

I'm sorry, the 3D scenes look great, but this is too much
Sorry is this a slideshow ? Running at 2 secs / frame - athlon 3.0+ 5600ultra . ?!?

added on the 2004-06-15 03:04:23 by Navis Navis
This looks not bad enough. The scenes looks as the year 2000 scenes but consuming year 2011 demo time per frame. It sounds as a joke, but with in 320x200 mode, with all options at the minimum, it works near smooth in a 5200. I would have done this directly with 3dsmax and directly to video, or, at least, I would have added a not real time "render to avi" option. Well, I can't say it sucks... so is near ok.
added on the 2004-06-15 04:32:48 by texel texel
2-8 fps on a fx5600 with everything to the minimun... Too slow for my taste, so a thumb down for me, even if the 3D was fucking nice
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 06:40:51 by shash shash
This is a above average demo and an outstanding invitation demo in modern time (Vip2 excluded).

Good looking, tho some artifacts, and decent framerate on my Radeon 9800pro.

Thumbs up for a good non-party release!
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 08:08:43 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
But a different (technical) approach couldn't have hurt.
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 08:42:06 by superplek superplek
Wish I could watch it.
same :(
very nice,tho a bit slow here.
oh and music, i dont understand the idea of ripping commercial...detail tho
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 09:58:29 by blz blz
updated version for geforce cards will be shipped today - we was give so much time to write two different packs of shaders for both vendors. Also divx will available very soon.
added on the 2004-06-15 10:04:07 by bonzaj bonzaj
another demo with way too much blur. models look beautiful and the flow could have been great but i don´t feel the pace of the visuals connect with the music.
added on the 2004-06-15 10:07:14 by fiver fiver
Crashes with an access violation (WinXP, Cat4.6, Radeon9500).
added on the 2004-06-15 11:07:32 by sagacity sagacity
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 11:07:52 by bzz bzz
Looking very nice to me, and sounding very nice too. Yeah, maybe a little too much blur, but only a little. And the scenes were great, especially that strange rolling floppy spike ball :)

Only one scene (the fish one) was a little slow here (on quadro fx) but i'm sure that will be sorted later.
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 11:08:54 by psonice psonice
It's obvious what they're trying to say with this demo...if for some reason you can't watch this invitation, be it hardware limitations or because it crashes on your particular configuration, you're not invited. Probably one of the least inviting invitations on this site. Sorry guys, try harder next time.
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 11:18:59 by tyfighter tyfighter
I doubt that's their message, but it would be fun if it didn't crash here.
added on the 2004-06-15 11:46:10 by Shifter Shifter
Ah! saw it.. Too much nausea inducing blur. It is probably so slow, because they seem to do a full god-knows-how-many-taps gaussian filter over the whole display buffer. Models nice, but end result flat.
added on the 2004-06-15 11:58:14 by Navis Navis
i'm the last one to scream when it comes to ripping music, but holy fuck that music is too good for this : too much blur and the style doesn't fit at all
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 11:58:36 by stil stil
too many blur and it's an another riupped music for an invitation, it's a shame !
added on the 2004-06-15 12:02:12 by u2 u2
wankers! don't make an intro that's so hard to run on decent hardware (ok, i have an nVidia Quadro, but still.. it's only an invitation!)
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 12:03:11 by okkie okkie
amiga version please.
added on the 2004-06-15 12:17:44 by okkie okkie
u2: yeah, you would never rip any music, right? :)
added on the 2004-06-15 12:50:15 by sagacity sagacity
sagacité: he would never do such a thing, not even for his next demo... *kof* *kof*
added on the 2004-06-15 12:59:09 by stil stil
Gnnnnnaaaaa! I want to see this one. DIVX PLEASE
added on the 2004-06-15 13:04:40 by Fzool Fzool
i would like to say that it looks beautiful but it runs too slow on my computer, even i buyed myself a new graphics card some weeks ago: it does not run well on some parts. coders should learn that speed also has alot to say these days. yeah, isnt that strange? ;)
THESE VISUALS ARE SO @#%$ AWESOME!! This invitation has instantly become my favorite demo since elements/haujobb! Great work!!
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 13:50:19 by ravity ravity
okish organic objects, decent fx... tho, boring. Not really democontent you'd match with the mawi people. However a piggie!

Runs ok on the radeon btw :)
no ARB_fragment_program, no demo.
added on the 2004-06-15 14:40:16 by mrdoob mrdoob
btw, kenji kawai rox as usual! avalon OST is my favourite. where is from that tune? ghost in the shel 2?
added on the 2004-06-15 14:41:58 by mrdoob mrdoob
One of the best 3d sofar...
I would call this an invitation but still if u see this more as a demo it rocks!
Shperical music too! fitted ok!
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 15:07:06 by cerror cerror
What's spherical music? Round? Globular?
added on the 2004-06-15 15:41:44 by sagacity sagacity
Very nice physics code, but the hw requirements are indeed a bit too much.
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 16:55:37 by BoyC BoyC
OK everybody You can grab the divx version now from plastic.fork.pl . The updated version of the executable (with new nVidia code) will be available at midnight...

The problem with the ripped music is that we don't have a musician in our group. And we're looking for one. So for those who didn't like ripped Kenji Kawai (Ghost in The Shell 2) You're probably a good musicians. Come then and join us in our passion...
added on the 2004-06-15 16:57:28 by bonzaj bonzaj
sorry to thumb your effort down, since there probably is a lot of work behind this, but i just cant stand demos that run in 0,5 fps (gf-fx5200) and doesnt even start on radeon9800pro
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 17:01:26 by Duckers Duckers
instead of making a complete wanker out of yourself, take more care about your shitty hardware... it ran smooth on a pro!
The video looked pretty good.
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 17:56:46 by dairos dairos
Nothing wrong with high requirements - demos always required the best hardware available (Amiga, GUS, early 3d accels etc). It's time to end with this 'I want latest demos to run on my GF4MX' trend, which leads demoscene to stagnation.

But, I can't thumb this production up because I just don't understand why is it THAT slow on Radeon 9500 with latest drivers. I can understand why it is slow on GeForce FX series since those cards have really poor performance with latest shader models, but what's wrong with Radeon? People, please don't use OpenGL for coding demos :-)

And yes, anime sux.
added on the 2004-06-15 18:00:28 by RCL RCL
True. And it's a fact that most scene musicians either don't have the skills or simply lack the resources to craft this kind of tune, so stop whining already. :)
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 18:03:46 by tomaes tomaes
My "true" goes for dairys entry, btw.
added on the 2004-06-15 18:04:27 by tomaes tomaes
After 30min of download, I watched the video.

Well, that's a fucking great WILD, but as an invitation it's a failure for its compatibily problems, and complete lack of infos about the party it's supposed to promote.

Othewise the visuals are really good ( well, it'd have hurt if they weren't after 30minutes of download ). It shows that there's a lot of work.

I don't really care about using a non-demoscene music, but I can't help making a difference between OST and commercial musics. That's stupid but I tend to think OST have more their place in WILDs than in realtime productions.
added on the 2004-06-15 18:24:46 by p01 p01
Great wild!
Yeah, I can kinda see where it would overload my hardware
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 18:30:44 by crusader crusader
nice bollocks dynamics guys! awesome!

honestly, some scenes are great. But that could be really kick ass in my geforce4200 ! :D

by the way, using a world famous tune in a demo still being a bit hard to me.
added on the 2004-06-15 18:48:18 by mrdoob mrdoob
It is maybe technical impressive, but what a boring and predictive demo.
sucks added on the 2004-06-15 19:29:45 by Zplex Zplex
best stuff i seen for a long time
rulez added on the 2004-06-15 19:42:34 by emoon emoon
well ... it looks rather like 3D animation portfolio than a demo (or party invitation) to me. seriously, this doesn't feel like a demo or something scenish to me at all ...
i surely apprecciate the effort made and the awesome quality of objects and scenery but if there wouldn't be some greetings i would have no idea that it is scene-related at all. also the very 2D symphony-logo doesn't really match the style of the invite.
as a realtime 3D animation: awesome! as an invite to a demo party: not really.

i definately prefer moppi's assembly invite!
added on the 2004-06-15 22:21:37 by monroe monroe
not really an invtro and albolone has a point with his "looks rather like a #D animation portfolio". in addition it doesn't work on my computer (gf4ti4600ultra, not leet enough) so i had to watch the capture..

..but it's still rather pretty. :)
added on the 2004-06-16 00:02:44 by gloom gloom
OK dear friends - I've uploaded little faster version. I've measured that it does avarage 4 fps on geForceFX 5200 (that is 8 times faster that 0.5 ;)) and 45 on Radeon 9700 PRO (but sometimes drops to25 - but it is CPU limited). Both cards have 128MB's. My CPU is Athlon XP1800+, 256 MB RAM and Win2k.
I've added a little bonus at the end ;). Now I must find a bug that is apearing on Win9x. And then I'll send a new patch.
And now - just download new version by clicking "download".
added on the 2004-06-16 01:31:29 by bonzaj bonzaj
Music is great. A shame is not yours :). So slow with a gf fx5600 ultra. Cool scenes and atmosphere!.
rulez added on the 2004-06-16 03:33:17 by reality3D reality3D
typical stuff. Nice music by uh, Kenji Kawai...
added on the 2004-06-16 06:45:57 by cats cats
Looks like a WILD demo but this is really awesome 3d!! Atmosphirical music. Really good. Maybe gets boring after viewing couple of times but when you see it first time really impressive!!!
rulez added on the 2004-06-16 07:20:56 by magic magic
nice scenes ....a freaking invitation !
rulez added on the 2004-06-16 07:21:31 by nytrik nytrik
noupe...could be nice and fun if you're working on a 3dhard labs or want to get an employ there...but this prod do NOT meet the minimum DEMOSCENE requirements : SHARE
sucks added on the 2004-06-16 09:40:20 by JaK JaK
nice work. music dont really fits to it
rulez added on the 2004-06-16 09:41:48 by xeNusion xeNusion
lets face it a lot of efforts have been involved in this prod
added on the 2004-06-16 09:43:08 by nytrik nytrik
ok, i checked the avi and i found it cool (damn i need a new powersupply :)
what i disliked was the music (theatric music is ok - as long as it lacks those earpiercing japanese vocals) and the fact that you didn't credit the author in the demo.
also, what's the point of the invitation if the demo doesn't contain any info from the party? i mean, you mentioned the party's name ONCE and have the URL in the readme, but THAT'S ALL? :D
the visuals looked nice, but all the blur got on my nerves, even tho i really liked the syncing on the greetz.
i'll watch it on my radeon as soon as i can get the card working, and thumb it up :)
added on the 2004-06-16 10:30:08 by Gargaj Gargaj
really too slow on my gef 6800 here.. (~15fps) but might be the drivers.
content is much too simple / 90's.
added on the 2004-06-16 12:00:16 by shiva shiva
Sorry, but i expected more. When will the scene recognize that "wobbelschwobbel" is done hundretthousandtimes before? ah, yes. the music roxx, but not as a rip in this demo.
And it "sucks" because it did not run on my machine for no reason (this demo could be done to be run at my machine, this is the point).

and by the way. this is a invitation isn`t it? So where are the informations about the party? Isn´t this one of the main reasons to release a invitation demo?

sorry, i really liked the last Madwizards and Plastic releases on pc and ofcourse amiga. but this one sucks. I hope "Your Fingers So Gently On My Skin" from plastic will be a real killer demo at Symphony.
sucks added on the 2004-06-16 17:38:17 by Fzool Fzool
great production, with incredible visuals!!!
it's a great track from kenji kawai (who is also a great artist), but it fits only sometimes good and often not, and it's RIPPED...

to the people mocking on the requirements
get some fast drivers (omega) and i'm pretty sure that it will run on your decent (ATI) graphics adapter. if you dont have one, please dont flame this comment page, because it's the same else if you mock about fr-08 not running on your 486
yeah i know, vendor only sucks, buts it's a demo NOT made by professionals, so wtf?!
whatever, take a look at the divx version if you have no powerful machine

sincerely, venomsoup
rulez added on the 2004-06-16 18:48:45 by v3nom v3nom
great production, with incredible visuals!!!
it's a great track from kenji kawai (who is also a great artist), but it fits only sometimes good and often not, and it's RIPPED...

to the people mocking on the requirements
get some fast drivers (omega) and i'm pretty sure that it will run on your decent (ATI) graphics adapter. if you dont have one, please dont flame this comment page, because it's the same else if you mock about fr-08 not running on your 486
yeah i know, vendor only sucks, buts it's a demo NOT made by professionals, so wtf?!
whatever, take a look at the divx version if you have no powerful machine

sincerely, venomsoup
added on the 2004-06-16 18:49:15 by v3nom v3nom
too lame... too slow...
sucks added on the 2004-06-17 00:33:53 by spengler spengler
Very impressive if you run it on the appropriate hardware.
rulez added on the 2004-06-17 10:59:27 by Optimus Optimus
Thanks everybody. I'm really impressed that our work is not leaving You impassive! We've got similar number of very good and very bad comments :). Still we're far away from wars like in my favourite "Chimera" by Halcyon but we're preparing a lot to speak about in "Your Fingers So Gently On my Skin".And I see that there're people that are waiting for that demo. Thanks guys! Cheers Fzool!
added on the 2004-06-17 11:27:53 by bonzaj bonzaj
wow. this is nice - and the music fits :)
i only miss two things from this invite-demo:
1) a connection between the scenes in the demo
2) a connection between the demo and the symphhony parrty :)
even the "patched" version don't work on my GF4ti4200. And to repeat myself, as an invitation, it's a failure as it gives absolutely no infos about the party.
sucks added on the 2004-06-17 16:41:32 by p01 p01
awesome. fucking awesome. nice music, superb visuals. would have rocked more if you would use less blur and/or improve depth-of-field. anyway: this demo saves my day.

too bad i can't come (final exams at university :/
rulez added on the 2004-06-17 16:56:22 by prost prost
Saw the video...
- ripping music stinks
- doing an invi that tells nothing about the party stinks too
- there is too much blur indeed (never thought *i* would say that ;)

but: you guys rock like hell. this looks awesome
can't wait to test it @home with good sound and in realtime
rulez added on the 2004-06-18 10:23:45 by Hopper/SquoQuo Hopper/SquoQuo
poi (p01) : your is not a directX9 class card :( ... but ... we're preparing a new patch ;P. This time it will fix two bugs occuring on high-end Radeons and Win XP (the problem that has i.e Duckers) and on Win9x (the black screen reported by Azzaro). It will also bring a new speedup to both vendors but at this time I can't estimate in percents. Cheers!
added on the 2004-06-18 11:08:21 by bonzaj bonzaj
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... Radeon 9600 PRO, DX 9.0b.
added on the 2004-06-18 11:17:00 by a_lee_n a_lee_n
same thing for me
sucks added on the 2004-06-19 00:57:31 by ntsc-666 ntsc-666
i have mixed feelings about this one. on the other hand, awesome stuff - really takes advantage of the dx9 hardware. on the other hand as an invitation it doesn't fulfill its task at all. i would've spared this and polished it a bit for winning the democompo instead of releasing it as an invitation. :)
added on the 2004-06-19 14:23:55 by melw melw
superb music (don't care if it is ripped), superb 3d scenes (don't care if this is "typical stuff"), superb rendering (don't care if there is too much blur) and fluid here (a r9800 wont ruin most of the peole today so go and buy one!)
rulez added on the 2004-06-19 15:47:38 by {OdS} {OdS}
rulez added on the 2004-06-21 04:26:48 by tumihau tumihau
Ok boys and girls. New version is available (just download it). Now it works on Win98 (stupid bug). I don't know what with R9700 and R9800 on WinXP (I've tested it on several XP's and it works fine). Also we've added some speed impovements but I think it will be only noticable on Radeons.
added on the 2004-06-22 15:20:44 by bonzaj bonzaj
Solid. Good framerate on r9600p, amdxp2.5, 1gbram though I have to agree, not much about the party... rulez anyways
rulez added on the 2004-06-24 02:45:27 by tck42 tck42
Wow, what an invitation. Good 3d scenes with perfect fitting music. \o/
rulez added on the 2004-06-26 14:57:00 by René Madenmann René Madenmann
great effects!!!!!!!!!!!
rulez added on the 2004-06-29 09:26:28 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian
these effects rule! my only complaint is that it gets repetitive at times. i don't really see why this had to be released as an invitation, but it's an outstanding demo anyway.
rulez added on the 2004-07-01 19:43:33 by Ger Ger
Just installed a 9600 Pro card, so now I can watch the latest stuff.

And wow, this looks GREAT! Great demo-style visuals, nice music. Simply rules!
rulez added on the 2004-07-06 18:42:10 by Sdw Sdw
rippy rippy is sucky sucky. no matter the hardware requirements.
sucks added on the 2004-07-06 18:48:15 by skrebbel skrebbel
wooh 3D scenes are so impressive! the tunnel is one of the best tunnels i've ever seen :) i totally understand that Plastic ripped Kenji Kawai to match such high-standing visual effects.

too bad the blur pulses gave me headache and the CPU meltdown made my mobo beep... ;)
rulez added on the 2004-07-12 03:01:23 by Zest Zest
The requiements are the problem - 320x240, any filtering and AA disabled, the prod doesn't even reach near 25fps on reasonable hardware.

I like the style and cineastic movements, the tunnel sequence is stunning, but i think it's wasted time for the coders, if nobody can watch it :-(

I think a demo should show great things on today's hardware and not be an commercial for Radeon cards.

Please: Next time fewer high-tech shaders!
rulez added on the 2004-07-16 13:08:23 by imYemeth imYemeth
I have a Radeon 9700 mobile, basically a Radeon 9600 XT, and at 640x480 6xAA 16xAF it runs at about 20 FPS. I think that is good enough.
The visuals are great! It really does not look much like some simple rendered stuff, probably because of the light/material effects. The blur is also ok the way it is, but definetely not underused, to put it that way.
It would be better if the music were composed by a scener, but this one is really well chosen, just too bad the MP3-quality is so low.
All in all a good demo. It is a pity that many people will not be able to watch it at all because of the DX9 requirement, as the non-shader power of any gf3 or r8500+ would be sufficient, I suppose.
rulez added on the 2004-07-20 01:43:16 by mjz mjz
i watched video and liked it. rork logo rocks:D
rulez added on the 2004-07-27 20:28:31 by uns3en_ uns3en_
very good prod, but it won`t run on my machine so i must watch the divx version...
added on the 2004-08-17 17:11:06 by pixeluz pixeluz
Very nice hitech demo.
rulez added on the 2004-08-20 22:00:55 by Frozzy Frozzy
nice invitation
rulez added on the 2004-08-21 01:10:16 by las las
Luckily I got my Radeon 9600 today ... awesome visuals, nice music, great job.
rulez added on the 2004-08-27 02:34:52 by nufan nufan
rulez added on the 2004-09-29 15:20:59 by mrdoob mrdoob
Runs great at 1280x960 on my x800...

The visuals had some super smooth shading and there were some very nice bits of wibble-wobble. But ripped music that doesn't really fit and I really hated the constant blurring that kept constantly appearing and disappearing.
Could have easily won the democompy imho =)
Great overall, but not too sure if it really is quite fitting for an invtro. An invitation that runs on just a small fraction of the hardware out there, and tries to be more of an *oumph* tech demo than a real informational invitation... Anyways, very nice, although I had to watch the vidcap =( (*snif* my Gf4Ti is getting old)
rulez added on the 2004-10-06 06:21:07 by Nezbie Nezbie
this one simply roxxxx
rulez added on the 2004-10-07 18:11:54 by zeebr zeebr
Nice high-end demo. The changing blur hurt my eyes though :) Oh, performace sucked on an NV30, but was fine on an R350.
rulez added on the 2004-10-07 18:28:15 by SiW SiW
This one rocks!! But seriously reduce the blur.. I get easily headaches from this kind of things and it was close this time too..
rulez added on the 2004-10-07 19:43:33 by Vulture Vulture
Amazing visuals (on 6600GT)
rulez added on the 2005-01-25 10:42:31 by Navis Navis
Great Invitation with fantastic Visuals... but no original Music ;)
rulez added on the 2005-04-26 18:48:58 by Sapphire Sapphire
ARB_fragment_program killed the scene!

...or at least this demo :(
added on the 2005-04-26 20:22:45 by Lupin Lupin
Wow !!!! This music is very very epic !!!! And demo design is strange and very nice product ! Plastic rulezzz ;)
rulez added on the 2005-07-30 23:42:31 by grz grz
On a recent hardware it looks great. The sync to Kenji Kawai's music is really epic and compelling. I realize not everyone likes the way it's done, but I am still utterly blown away.

In my opinion the blur looks enough in place. There are prods that overuse it much more.
rulez added on the 2005-08-02 11:38:24 by flash^peon flash^peon
najlepsze demo plasticów ;p
rulez added on the 2005-10-10 20:37:33 by wie8 wie8
Had to watch for it's blurred parts two times to be sure I don't need glasses. ;)
Great invitation.
rulez added on the 2005-10-19 01:07:41 by ALiEN^bf ALiEN^bf
excellent quality.
if there's a fault with it, it's that it's standing out too much as an invitation.
rulez added on the 2005-10-25 19:15:15 by 301 301
rulez added on the 2006-05-30 02:56:11 by Geri Geri
Plastic rocks!
rulez added on the 2006-06-10 23:45:05 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
Ripping commercial music in 2004 in so lame, like demoscene doesn't have any available musician nowadays...

Moreover you don't even promote some non famous guy, you just rip a classic (without authorization I guess and without fully crediting the author in the demo either afair).
added on the 2006-06-11 00:01:30 by keops keops
rulez added on the 2006-08-17 11:04:36 by hardi hardi
Good one. I enjoy it every time I watch it.
rulez added on the 2006-11-08 00:00:44 by masterm masterm
yeah. yeah.
rulez added on the 2007-03-06 07:52:18 by oldaccount oldaccount
rulez added on the 2007-12-26 12:10:52 by chromag chromag
good shit.
rulez added on the 2009-03-16 02:55:14 by comankh comankh
Invit fail.
sucks added on the 2010-05-31 04:35:50 by zoolum zoolum
Very nice music & Plastic esthetic..
rulez added on the 2010-07-29 00:00:41 by Hicks Hicks
one of my favs! And by the way, if you need Music for a demo....
rulez added on the 2010-07-29 00:12:02 by omg omg
Just OK. Not all that Plastic can.
added on the 2011-08-12 16:44:01 by closed closed
Wonderful. A source of inspiration for me for many years :)
rulez added on the 2011-10-03 11:11:45 by ferris ferris
for the visuals
rulez added on the 2011-12-26 22:56:46 by Frequent Frequent
Good one. But I know you can/could do better.
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