4 Edges by The Black Lotus [web]
screenshot added by Shazz^TRSi^MJJ on 2006-04-18 10:28:20
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release date : april 2006
release party : Breakpoint 2006
compo : console demo
ranked : 1st
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popularity : 72%
  • 0.72
alltime top: #595
added on the 2006-04-18 09:16:46 by el-bee el-bee

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Well, i don't know what was so great in this Demo...Converting an Amiga prod which uses not even the half of the system's capabilities, plus a soundtrack which is not really fitting, compared to other TBL prods...
added on the 2006-04-18 10:27:17 by Exin Exin
definitly _not_ the true winner of the compo.
- Lil' Bitchard's tune sounds like a Loogober remix
- starting scene seems like a ripoff from Silkcut
- the middlepart sequences where too rigid for their design
- greetings part was very cool (because of the typo)

To sum it up:
A good start on the new platform (I don't think TBL will release another highclass Amiga demo anymore), but it didn't deserve the 1st place.
added on the 2006-04-18 10:39:29 by d0DgE d0DgE
clean, slick..
Perhaps to much mixture of style and a little to static..
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 12:52:58 by gnilk gnilk
it was nice, but it missed something..
perhaps i was just expecting it to abuse the platform limits too much..
still, worth seeing again.
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 12:55:15 by psenough psenough
no. I see no sense in this platform. It just looks like an ordinary, avarage PC demo. If it was a PC demo then you would be easy beaten.
added on the 2006-04-18 13:20:53 by bonzaj bonzaj
Bonzaj: lets make a simple compare:

PC compo machine:

Pentium 955EE (Dual Core) 3.46GHz with 2048MB RAM and an ATI Radeon X1900XT with 512MB of VRAM.


Single core 300 Mhz, 32MB RAM and 4MB VRAM.

And the ps2 is way more complex to code for compared to PC, why do you think there arent that many ps2 demos?

PC style is always "if it runs too slow, upgrade your hardware". Our demo runs at solid 60 fps and that is something that far from all PC demos do even on "good" specs.
added on the 2006-04-18 13:48:33 by emoon emoon
You're comparing apples to oranges. By the same logic, let's not forget the infinitely more impressive TBL demos run on machines with six times slower clockspeed and half the memory of a PS2.

While it's nice to see more PS2 demos, this is not exactly mind boggling and certainly not a winner in my book. Exin has my vote on this being a less-than-savoury conversion of what could've been a neat amiga demo.
added on the 2006-04-18 14:51:10 by Shifter Shifter
I love it ! Good work guys but I'm not that neutral, you know how big is my love for the PS2. You spent a lot of time on it, there is probably tons of VU assembly code behind, the result is simply amazing, I love those (fractals ?) mountains, the tunnel rendering, great job.

And don't mind, you should code on a PS2 to undestand how good is this compo, you derserved the 1st palce, you've got it :D Sceners decided !

Aura for Laura is not alone aymore !!!!
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 14:59:08 by Shazz^TRSi^MJJ Shazz^TRSi^MJJ
Not quite soopa, but pretty. Kicking tune too.
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 15:04:48 by break break
i can'T say much about how this demo fulfills the platform capacities and blahblahblah, i don't even care concerning that this is probably the BEST drum'n'bass track ever released in a demo!
elbee, could you make the mp3 available? thx!
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 15:13:18 by dipswitch dipswitch
I heard that tune before. Isn't there a VERY SIMILAR ONE somewhere else?

The demo lacks a lot of sync imho.

added on the 2006-04-18 15:54:28 by mrdoob mrdoob

The version from the streaming compo can be found here:


Notice that el-bee also won the compo with that tune (yaah!)
added on the 2006-04-18 16:04:13 by emoon emoon

And the ps2 is way more complex to code for compared to PC, why do you think there arent that many ps2 demos?

I've heard that it's impossible to develop anything on newer ps2 models & if that's true, isn't it a good reason for the severe lack of ps2 demos ?

I say: most of the stuff seen here are precalculated textures or not ?
added on the 2006-04-18 16:11:45 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
mediocre to the bone. louie, please go back to the amiga :P

soundtrack was great. First scene looks cool, but it's mostly recycled from both silkcut as ocean machine. the rest are just un-louie graphics that were very average with some prebaked static shadowing or gi.

i'll go for a piggie too
added on the 2006-04-18 16:25:18 by maali maali
I think this was fucking excellent!
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 18:21:20 by dairos dairos
i really couldn't care less about the platform. this demo was fukkn sweet and i would give it my vote even if it was pc. and i totally agree with dipswitch, the soundtrack is awesome.
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 18:27:41 by gencha gencha
what gnilk, ps and half trace post says.

still nice to see a true solid demo with no flicker or temporal framelosses, even more nice nowadays that not even amiga demos are smooth.
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 18:42:05 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
megadelux, i don't recall loonies' 4k intro losing any frames :P
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 20:23:16 by winden winden
Amazing tune which saves the demo from being an unimaginative scene sequence played by a good 3d engine without any particular direction effort.
Don't waste your potential more than this, or next time we'll get those 12 points and beat you :)
added on the 2006-04-18 20:43:03 by dixan dixan
Really what I disliked about this demo is how un-TBL it was. The aesthetics and pacing was very reminiscent of the very pc productions they are able to differentiate themselves from. An alternative way to say it is that it relies too much on its soundtrack.
added on the 2006-04-18 20:59:45 by _-_-__ _-_-__
Hmm, good work. But, of course a PS2 is slower than a PC but easily 5 times faster than a 68060 and therefor a "rulez" (as is standing besides the thumb) is not fitting. Should have been less boring or with an interesting concept... I think the GBA-Demo was way underweighted. This one ruled and no one knowed ;)
added on the 2006-04-18 21:09:17 by vscd vscd
pure beauty. love it
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 21:21:17 by prm prm
It looks good, but it has no soul.
added on the 2006-04-18 21:25:58 by Preacher Preacher
I do
added on the 2006-04-18 22:43:18 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
Well, I enjoyed this one. Surely doesn't push the PS2 much and I would have *MUCH* prefered to see this on the Amiga1200. But it was still enjoyable. Perhaps people are only so critical because they expect so much from TBL? Anyway...thanks guys.

Note: Louie...don't you dare stop doing Amiga prods!!! I think we (amiga scene in general) are a bit dissapointed you didn't work with Kalms and co. on Requiem :(
rulez added on the 2006-04-18 23:11:46 by button button
Great music and also looks really nice, but the scenes seems to me way too static.
added on the 2006-04-18 23:22:38 by teel teel
Not at all my favourite from the compo... Piggie for me :P
added on the 2006-04-19 02:18:41 by shash shash
for the track.
rulez added on the 2006-04-19 02:27:10 by Gargaj Gargaj
Classy one!
rulez added on the 2006-04-19 14:51:06 by iks iks
Stylish and smooth!
Everyone bitching about this not pushing the ps2 etc..should try to code one themselves, it's not like you got DirectX or similar stuff to use.
And I love the music!
rulez added on the 2006-04-19 16:22:58 by zeppo zeppo
cubic fireflies!
rulez added on the 2006-04-19 16:35:11 by modrobert modrobert
there are only 10 ps2 prods on pouet and this one is surely one of the best
I like it
rulez added on the 2006-04-19 17:55:21 by EviL EviL
not really my thing, but thumb for doing console-stuff!
rulez added on the 2006-04-20 13:05:39 by toxie toxie
Nice visuals but too boring for me.
added on the 2006-04-20 13:20:20 by StingRay StingRay
Perhaps people are only so critical because they expect so much from TBL?

I honnestly did.
Nevertheless, my thumb up for the excellent tune.
rulez added on the 2006-04-20 13:48:22 by willbe willbe
rulez added on the 2006-04-20 15:16:31 by kusma kusma
It's a nice demo, not the best in the compo but still very good.
rulez added on the 2006-04-20 17:13:09 by ravity ravity
superb music, but the rest is just medicore and so damn incoherent.
added on the 2006-04-20 17:32:12 by a-move a-move
Ok, maybe I was a little too harsch at the party place and on pouet. I just wanted to kick your asses a little and motivate you to make your own move and develop sth refreshing in TBL. And yes I was looking at the whole thing and comparing it only to "Ocean Machine" and "Silkcut". This was wrong, so I'm sorry. Next time just shut my f&!#*ng mouth with awesome stuff. Cheers - and sorry for my annoing person at the party place.
rulez added on the 2006-04-21 14:18:20 by bonzaj bonzaj
thumb for TBL thumb for ps2 thumb for the prod; fuck yeah!
rulez added on the 2006-04-21 17:33:26 by root root
Some scenes looked good (nice work Louie, as always), but the demo was boring and the synchro was off-beat and quite annoying.
added on the 2006-04-22 11:47:23 by Blueberry Blueberry
good stuff, and nice to see another ps2 demo :)
rulez added on the 2006-04-22 13:28:51 by shadez shadez
Lil' Bitchard's tune sounds like a Loogober remix

1) it's lug00ber
2) no it doesn't
3) I'm not sure who you are trying to put down, me for making poor music or lb for copying my style or something. Either way I don't see much resemblance between this tune and my tunes, apart from that they're both in the drum and bass-genre.

Moving on, I like both the demo and the tune. A thumb up from me :)
added on the 2006-04-22 15:19:59 by lug00ber lug00ber
sorry for misspelling ya name.
I didn't try to put down anyone.
That were just the facts that came to my mind by watching the demo. over
added on the 2006-04-23 21:13:58 by d0DgE d0DgE
lug00ber: i wouldnt mind if you would make more of this (or Out the Exits for that matter) though ;)
added on the 2006-04-24 15:39:10 by Gargaj Gargaj
ps2 demo in tbl.
great music.
good some scene.
however, overall a bit boring.
added on the 2006-04-25 00:50:54 by got got
I think it's good, expecially all that precomputed lighting Does the job (my fav scene is the tunnel).
Nice jungle track of course.
rulez added on the 2006-04-25 11:58:19 by bdk bdk
thumb-erection for:
- doing it on another platform
- the nice music
- nice visuals
rulez added on the 2006-04-26 14:24:00 by necronomic0 necronomic0
Looks slick, and tastes good
rulez added on the 2006-04-26 14:58:24 by quisten quisten
if this demo was a PC demo entry in compo it will end at 8th - 10th place or worse

sorry TBL. Amiga suits you better
even if I was pretty tired and alcoholized I figured from speaking with emoon that the ps2 is quite a beast. This features loads of optimizing for keeping the ps2 execution units busy. The vumeters are ace. As are the rainbow colours slipped in with the metal in places. The black blur/fog stuff at the beginning was very slick too.. Music was teh shit too, so whats with the complaining?
rulez added on the 2006-04-26 18:40:09 by loaderror loaderror
Little Bitchard saves the show, but ...
Namevoting sucks, Shitfaced Clowns deserved the win
rulez added on the 2006-04-27 03:04:44 by Steel Steel
everything except from the landscape and tunnel was ugly and boring.
added on the 2006-04-30 12:49:51 by hfr hfr
I find this one rather boring actually... It all looks good and stuff. no doubt. but... well...
added on the 2006-04-30 13:22:22 by Proteque Proteque
the thumb never made it. better luck this time.
rulez added on the 2006-05-07 13:35:48 by lug00ber lug00ber
Nice visuals and music as always but not really very entertaining. I've seen FAR better stuff from TBL.

And somehow at the partyplace I got the feeling that the black flowered guys will the sooner or later completly move away from Amiga which would be pretty sad.
rulez added on the 2006-05-07 13:44:56 by ghandy ghandy
the tune blew my mind.
rulez added on the 2006-05-07 15:45:07 by oxb oxb
very well executed
rulez added on the 2006-05-07 16:05:58 by p01 p01
this 4sure is good!
rulez added on the 2006-05-07 16:06:28 by NuKem NuKem
I really liked it, but IMHO compared to five finger discount this should have been second place.
added on the 2006-05-11 14:08:04 by raer raer
mindblasting visuals + perfectly fitting music. looks like a vj set, so the silkcut-copy part seems out of the place. whoever cares about technical aspects when the show is this good?
rulez added on the 2006-05-11 23:48:56 by Ger Ger
I have to agree with !=, this demo is really un-tbl-ish... which is not a bad thing as such, but it also lacks direction, imagination and style. that tune deserved a better demo built around it.
added on the 2006-05-28 21:14:14 by bhead bhead
i enjoyed it much on the bigscreen
snowy mountains is teh shit! good style. tbl is my heroes.
rulez added on the 2006-07-05 17:29:15 by oldaccount oldaccount
i did a small patch to make it run without a cd via ps2link (only got an unmodded ps2, so... :)


"unpack" the .iso file to a directory, copy 4patch.elf into it, then execute it with the usual tools, e.g. ps2client:

Code:ps2client execee host:4patch.elf

(and yeah, i probably could've just asked emoon, but what the heck, i wanted to watch it NOW :)
added on the 2006-07-05 20:08:26 by ryg ryg
This technically, visually and musically advanced but it just feels boring.
I want Louie back on the Amiga...
added on the 2006-07-06 12:23:34 by grip grip
the soundtrack is haunting. I listened to it all day yesterday like some 10 year old listening to Roxette - Joyride.
added on the 2006-07-07 11:06:44 by loaderror loaderror
ryg using the psone exploit?
added on the 2006-07-07 11:22:27 by _-_-__ _-_-__
pure rockage
rulez added on the 2006-07-07 11:45:13 by kelsey kelsey
rulez added on the 2006-07-07 11:59:54 by wie8 wie8
knos, yep.
added on the 2006-07-07 14:14:38 by ryg ryg

The very reason for not release a host loading version is that the music can lose sync and the syncing is very important in that demo.

I also already stated this in the nfo.
added on the 2006-07-13 16:16:40 by emoon emoon
i like the terminator3 samples and the lightmaps. what tools do you use for those maps? oh and kudos for doing ps2 :)
rulez added on the 2006-07-15 14:36:51 by the_Ye-Ti the_Ye-Ti
Kickass tune, trendy visuals but seems a bit unfinished.
rulez added on the 2006-07-20 11:52:38 by kurli kurli
a bit too static, nice music.
added on the 2006-07-20 17:28:36 by gg|rhg gg|rhg
Missed this before. It rules, great tune, some really good scenes, and console smoothness. I'd imagine the code is pretty good from what i've seen of ps2 stuff.

- Couple of criticisms: could do with a little more coherence
- More abuse of the ps2 hardware could be good, like all the poly pushing effects in aura for laura.

Hope you do another on ps2 - I'd like to see it.
rulez added on the 2006-07-20 18:22:12 by psonice psonice
I must give piggie for this. Soundtrack rocks, but overall this is quite boring demo.
added on the 2006-07-20 18:27:37 by blueflame blueflame
Nice demo. The music rules and some scenes look very nice (the shadows mainly). There are also some more boring scenes, but overal still a thumb up.
rulez added on the 2006-07-21 09:14:06 by [self-ban] [self-ban]
The beginning looks promising but the rest of it is quite boring. Just a pig for it.
added on the 2006-08-15 14:36:47 by Cj Cj
Ok entertainment, but kinda makes me think that you ran out of ideas somewhere along the way
added on the 2006-09-08 10:52:33 by Optima Optima
namevoting but still quite good!
rulez added on the 2006-11-01 12:38:05 by uns3en_ uns3en_
new video-link anyone?
added on the 2006-11-07 21:01:39 by gloom gloom
rulez added on the 2006-11-13 22:50:54 by gg|rhg gg|rhg
Not perfect... but I got used to it :D
rulez added on the 2006-12-07 04:05:47 by xernobyl xernobyl
please video link?? not having that Sony's USB cable,...so
rulez added on the 2007-01-09 22:14:21 by JaK JaK
sucks, but better than no video at all :)
added on the 2007-02-14 16:12:49 by maali maali
mediocre compared as TBL performance level.
added on the 2007-03-12 20:24:31 by jamcar jamcar
great tunnel!!!
rulez added on the 2007-04-16 08:23:37 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian
one of the best tbl demos
rulez added on the 2007-04-16 08:34:41 by waffle waffle
for the sync
rulez added on the 2007-06-26 11:17:09 by wayne wayne
rulez added on the 2007-06-26 13:37:29 by src src
Hadn't voted for this one yet. I found it to be pretty cool. Alternatives platforms are always nice to see instead of the run-off-the-mill release for Microsuck.
rulez added on the 2007-09-16 20:57:19 by flynn_nrg flynn_nrg
3D graphics cubic, jungle music
rulez added on the 2007-10-16 03:56:26 by BITS BITS
big up for the massive tune
rulez added on the 2007-10-20 19:55:06 by gentleman gentleman
Looks great with some nice rendering. I'm a bit disappointed in the music, but the awesome synching largely makes up for it. Overall, quite a solid PS2 demo, and hopefully not the last one from TBL.
rulez added on the 2007-11-16 21:11:12 by Nezbie Nezbie
rulez added on the 2007-11-21 09:07:18 by texel texel
Some parts look nice, some not. I'd like to see more effects than 3d, but this is still worth a thumb.
rulez added on the 2008-01-17 16:06:25 by Optimus Optimus
Very nice.
rulez added on the 2008-01-17 16:09:22 by Maissi Maissi
rulez added on the 2008-01-25 14:59:38 by superplek superplek
rulez added on the 2008-03-07 11:43:46 by v3nom v3nom
I liked it.
rulez added on the 2008-07-20 03:12:48 by micksam7 micksam7
very good
rulez added on the 2008-11-26 20:50:58 by relias abardon relias abardon
Kooler than I remember it from the party.
rulez added on the 2008-12-21 21:33:52 by tFt tFt
Nice looks, good flow, great soundtrack.
rulez added on the 2009-03-25 17:24:23 by neglesaks neglesaks
rulez added on the 2009-03-25 18:41:21 by mind mind
brilliant. but I think SFC should have won the compo!
rulez added on the 2009-05-12 20:35:03 by Eliecan Eliecan
Cool PS2 demo!
rulez added on the 2009-10-18 00:35:46 by vestige vestige
Emoon: will you ever release a ps3 demo?
Anyway convince Kalms to make a new amiga demo first in 2010 :)
rulez added on the 2009-12-28 20:17:37 by magic magic
awesome TBL rlz <3
rulez added on the 2010-01-15 21:07:31 by pera pera
added on the 2010-01-16 16:24:49 by Scooter Scooter
rulez added on the 2010-04-10 09:20:19 by provod provod
Little Bitchard style is a little bit repetitive. The buildings and tunnel effects were excellent...
rulez added on the 2010-06-05 00:32:37 by Hicks Hicks
The music rulez
rulez added on the 2010-08-31 02:03:26 by jack-3d jack-3d
Source code for the demo has been released! https://github.com/jsvennevid/tbl-4edges Enjoy!
added on the 2011-05-09 13:44:10 by emoon emoon
Have to agree with hfr and bhead.
added on the 2011-09-05 22:51:05 by moozooh moozooh
nice nice
rulez added on the 2012-02-12 16:54:15 by Frequent Frequent
good flow and a great tune
rulez added on the 2012-02-28 16:11:13 by cce cce
rulez added on the 2012-07-14 14:56:51 by las las
Great demo! Usual fantastic TBL style! The soundtrack is MASSIVE!!!
rulez added on the 2013-08-21 14:44:31 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
rulez added on the 2014-04-23 08:34:30 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
Great style, nice tune.
rulez added on the 2014-08-15 00:26:14 by Saga Musix Saga Musix
not the world's greatest demo, but wonderful music and a lot of attitude and design :)
rulez added on the 2014-11-09 01:45:03 by Gaia Gaia
Ps2 seems to be a touch and leave platform for most groups. Wish there were more follow up demos for this platform. For this one there's already a nice engine in place asking for that next demo which cand do everything 1.25x better.
rulez added on the 2017-10-01 17:40:43 by rloaderro rloaderro
doesn't load with OPL because of something something missing game ID
added on the 2018-02-13 10:32:14 by Zlew Zlew
late thumb is late
rulez added on the 2018-08-24 00:17:27 by SiR SiR
Nice one.

PS. Converted ISO with USB Extreme and launched with USB Advance from flashpen. Everything is ok.
added on the 2019-01-02 00:10:31 by kempy kempy
dig it!
rulez added on the 2020-04-24 11:58:56 by ferris ferris
Great show. Completely missed it back then.
rulez added on the 2020-04-24 13:15:49 by noname noname
Doesn‘t seem to work with FreeHDBoot/OpenPS2Loader. Any hints on how to get it to run? I used WinHIIP to install the .iso
rulez added on the 2021-06-26 10:55:16 by arm1n arm1n
Ok found some info on the web: „name the ISO as 'The Black Lotus – 4 Edges.iso' and then put '4EDGES.ELF' as the custom ELF.“
added on the 2021-06-26 11:16:29 by arm1n arm1n
I wonder how this would look with an Uncle-X makeover?
added on the 2022-10-25 15:22:03 by rloaderro rloaderro
In order to get this to work on OPL you need to rename the ELF to NORG_000.00 and change the name in system.cnf, then repack the ISO

This prod is sik tho
rulez added on the 2023-05-20 20:12:09 by pstard pstard

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