Stereotype by Artway [web]
screenshot added by jack-3d on 2009-08-16 12:23:14
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release date : august 2009
release party : Buenzli 2009
compo : pc demo
ranked : 2nd
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popularity : 61%
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alltime top: #46545
added on the 2009-08-16 12:23:14 by jack-3d jack-3d

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Hm, nice for first time but com'on
The theme was really not that -erm- nice and as you already said yourself, it's contentwise and technically not much. So piggy
And the best way to fight against something you don't like... is to do the exact same thing! Congratulations, you have won.
added on the 2009-08-16 13:36:10 by Preacher Preacher
sucks added on the 2009-08-16 13:39:25 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
I like rebels and some interesting things in design :)
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 13:44:07 by Hexogen Hexogen
get into management if you like to tell others what (not) to do, otherwise just fuck off, alright :P
sucks added on the 2009-08-16 13:47:12 by post malone post malone
I enjoyed it.
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 14:02:58 by Mystra Mystra
Why not?
added on the 2009-08-16 14:41:12 by mrp- mrp-
What preacher said. But also, what he didn't say: Of course you can lament effect cliches AND make a demo about it, but you need a certain feeling for subtlety/humour/style of your own to convey your point without looking like a fool. :)
added on the 2009-08-16 15:12:24 by tomaes tomaes
talking crap about artistic freedom isn't the best way do demo yourself .. but well .. if you think so .. you pig ;)
added on the 2009-08-16 15:34:15 by yumeji yumeji
What Preacher, Maali and Tomaes said.
sucks added on the 2009-08-16 15:49:30 by Shockwave Shockwave
This is not all what the scene has done. Even some of the demos who have cubes, tunnels, alpha layers and all the stereotypical stuff (you forgot ribbons and glow) have better colors, more consistent design and other appealing stuff that makes it better from the rest. I am eagerly waiting for your second demo which I hope it won't be... stereotypical.
added on the 2009-08-16 16:38:28 by Optimus Optimus
first off, let me state that arial must die.
secondly, where's da evil bassline and amen breaks?

all in all this wasnt as bad as i thought it would be, but to take the piss out of something, you have to do it from the above, not below.

that said, at least he went and made a demo about it.
added on the 2009-08-16 17:49:07 by Gargaj Gargaj
added on the 2009-08-16 17:50:43 by Claw Claw
I aprove this message.
sucks added on the 2009-08-16 18:29:19 by xernobyl xernobyl
Independent of the discussion and the message of the demo and stereotyp-stuff: I like this demo and the soundtrack, also good for a first pc prod.
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 19:24:08 by Chainsaw Chainsaw
I liked it
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 19:34:09 by dairos dairos
There is a bit of truth in the message of this demo. I like it, especially the soundtrack!
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 20:13:02 by Venty Venty
I did not like the demo but the msg is true.

but who cares? we are doing whatever we think is fun to make right? not what we think "ppl will dig". Fuckings to lamers
added on the 2009-08-16 21:51:33 by Proteque Proteque
1. respect for using the good old werkkzeug engine (better this way, if anybody cannot code and will show some ideas, and use this tool) as ....
... in some years is the demoscene dead ,that´s fact
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 22:15:35 by quickyman quickyman
in some years is the demoscene dead, that's fact.

Uh huh. Can you write that in whatever language is your native tongue so someone can translate it to English? Because the structure you've used indicates both a prediction and a question - neither of which are methods of stating factual information.

Nonetheless - I did like this production, but I also agree that folks should do whatever the hell they want in their productions. (Which is what keeps the demoscene alive.)
Well, I would appreciate a little more variation in demos. I watched all demoshows on Buenzli and remembering the Breakpoint 2009 PC Demo Compo too, I`m fed up with cubes, brainkilling bassdrums and stuff! So I agree with the basic message.
But there are of course quite a lot of unique demos in 2009, too. Not everything is bad. :O)

Well, to be true most of the demos where the general complain is about acutally ARE good, but to repeat myself, after watching tons of this stuff one might get a little bored...

But for I`m not the minister of demo-contents, put the hell in your demos what you want.^^
rulez added on the 2009-08-16 22:43:11 by Skyrunner Skyrunner
Sorry to say - But the use of a demotool whilest complaining about the works of other demoscene artists just ruined it for me. But well...atleast you're creating something. Nice.

Nevertheless it's just a pigface for me.

Panasqnic's demo should have been ranked much better than yours.
added on the 2009-08-16 22:53:49 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
fun but don't insult others then do the same things yourself.
sucks added on the 2009-08-16 23:31:27 by blackpawn blackpawn
added on the 2009-08-16 23:48:45 by raer raer
so, i hope your next prod will show us some original ideas which no one has done before.
added on the 2009-08-16 23:51:35 by nosfe nosfe
this proves nothing
added on the 2009-08-17 00:11:18 by superplek superplek
What Shockwave said.
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 00:15:59 by Alpha C Alpha C
- parody where you don't match the quality of whom you're parodying is ridiculous
- werkkzeug
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 01:28:55 by PENETRATOR PENETRATOR
Must. not. thumb. demo. uses. stereotypes. must... not....


rulez added on the 2009-08-17 01:33:16 by Salinga Salinga
With what you said, i'm surprised you didn't downvote your own prod... ;p I'll help you then!
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 12:31:37 by baah baah
if (werkkzeug_user != "farbrausch") thumb_down();
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 12:32:02 by jaw jaw
I find it entertainting (and somewhat confusing) that a parody prod made my Amiga-people who try to make fun of PC-productions show the kind of things that Amiga-prods are struggling with.
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 12:38:43 by gloom gloom
I totally agree with Gloom here, I found it confusing to say the least. First prod pig tho.
added on the 2009-08-17 12:49:57 by dixan dixan
You guys are the moral wieners!
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 13:15:38 by necronomic0 necronomic0
Dunno, somewhat pathetic but somehow charmingly naive.
Not good, not bad, the pig is fat \o/
added on the 2009-08-17 13:51:30 by StingRay StingRay
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 13:57:28 by kusma kusma
what stinger said
added on the 2009-08-17 14:07:49 by Premium Premium
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added on the 2009-08-17 16:21:11 by ponce ponce
It's has a point. I really liked the music, but I really can't even piggy this, looks like it'd be 10 years old :/
sucks added on the 2009-08-17 16:26:33 by noby noby
What noby said. Without the point, but with the pig (for the music). Confused? I am, too.
added on the 2009-08-17 16:32:59 by Stebo Stebo
Excellent use of coder colours, a few nice gimmicks in between. Even though it lacks substance, i like it.
rulez added on the 2009-08-17 18:19:03 by Paranoid Paranoid
I'm with StingRay on this.
added on the 2009-08-17 18:21:01 by neptun neptun
It's OK
rulez added on the 2009-08-17 20:32:08 by aha aha
Nice message, although I think it's shared by a lot of (but not enough?) people. I would have loved to see a second half of the demo where you show new effects! That would have made all the difference. Maybe we will see a sequel to show everyone how it's done? :) But if you use demotool+Direct3D it will be hard, I think.

I liked it when it said "rotating object" and then showed the plant+sign, didn't expect a plant :)
added on the 2009-08-17 21:33:06 by Photon Photon
If you want something to be better then go and make it better. Demoscene is the place where you really can do it.

But... I like this music.
added on the 2009-08-18 11:46:51 by stan_1901 stan_1901
I cannot resist and I scream
sucks added on the 2009-08-18 23:42:22 by SiR SiR
- parody where you don't match the quality of whom you're parodying is ridiculous

sucks added on the 2009-08-19 04:28:39 by decipher decipher
Pretty demo, but I get the message. Anyone can make a pretty demo.

added on the 2009-08-19 15:47:20 by FunkyM FunkyM
Try coding. Its about 1000x harder than using someone elses demo tool. It will give you some perspective.
added on the 2009-08-20 08:55:55 by auld auld
Some facts about this prod:

- on Buenzli party there were more then 120 sceners and only 3!!! demos presented, if I wouldn't contribute, PC compo would be merged from 4k + 64k + demo together -> I think is proof of sceners passivity -> yours passivity guys

- I am whole my life 3D gfx artist (Lightwave), I never did a code and I will never do -> that's why I used demo tool

- after BP 09 pc compo which was "terrible" I decided to react -> the message was this demo and it was clear for most of you

- after 3 months of learning how to do a demo... how would look your first demo???

I am just glad, it didn't end up the last ;o)))
added on the 2009-08-20 12:07:59 by jack-3d jack-3d
I think is proof of sceners passivity -> yours passivity guys

That's the naivety I meant. Before Buenzli there was Evoke and Assemble so it's not such big surprise that there weren't that many demos released at Bnz.
added on the 2009-08-20 12:18:09 by StingRay StingRay
Assembly even :)
added on the 2009-08-20 12:18:25 by StingRay StingRay
Okay, then make a "non-stereotype" demo. I think that you can use your 3d-skills more than in this prod.
added on the 2009-08-20 12:36:42 by pista pista

- I am whole my life 3D gfx artist (Lightwave), I never did a code and I will never do -> that's why I used demo tool

Anyone can use a demo tool so you have have proved nothing, if you'd used your own code to reproduce the effects then your production would have had some merit.


- after BP 09 pc compo which was "terrible" I decided to react -> the message was this demo and it was clear for most of you

How many Werkzeug entries did you see there then?


- after 3 months of learning how to do a demo... how would look your first demo???

You destroyed your own argument by admitting that it takes a long time to learn how to do the well known demo effects.

Next time get a clue first. If I could thumb this down again I would.

If you will not learn to code and you have great skills as a 3D artist, maybe you should try joining a group with some coders and design something new and fresh if that's what you want.
added on the 2009-08-21 19:16:45 by Shockwave Shockwave
I like it
rulez added on the 2009-08-23 15:55:10 by aki aki
I could go on a rant about fonts and typographical design in demos but I won't.
added on the 2009-08-23 19:37:09 by d0DgE d0DgE
sucks added on the 2009-08-23 20:02:19 by s7ing_ATZ s7ing_ATZ
AAAAaaamiiggaaaa saved it, piggy :)
i have nothing to say about font
added on the 2009-09-17 00:18:01 by Frozzy Frozzy
Music was ok though
sucks added on the 2009-10-07 12:53:15 by Maissi Maissi
pathetic piece of werkzeug abuse
sucks added on the 2009-10-20 00:50:21 by T$ T$
Quite pathetic demo from lousy sceners.
sucks added on the 2009-10-21 03:28:43 by zoolum zoolum
good message.
demo was pleasant to watch too (and dont blame it because it have been mqde with werkkzeug...)
rulez added on the 2010-01-17 12:17:49 by Tigrou Tigrou
Pleasant to watch and what a great piece of music!
rulez added on the 2011-05-25 07:55:58 by Corial Corial
because i hate pc scene.
rulez added on the 2012-08-16 00:40:01 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian

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