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screenshot added by vesuri on 2002-08-05 00:01:14
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release date : august 2002
release party : Assembly 2002
compo : combined demo
ranked : 10th
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  • rulez 51
  • is ok 9
  • sucks 8
popularity : 63%
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alltime top: #2211
  • vesuri vesuri [code, graphics, music]
added on the 2002-08-05 00:01:14 by vesuri vesuri

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I think this demo is trying to have a message, but it's not very thought provoking. Visually this is just a collection of photos that shake around, cross fade, and scroll with some text and a voice-over. There are no effects, flybys, particle animations, or realtime raytracing. This could've been made as a flash demo and still maintained it's cross-platform status.
sucks added on the 2002-08-05 01:55:46 by sea_monkey sea_monkey
imagine what could happen if halcyon&dajormas did another coop :)

*shivers*
sucks added on the 2002-08-05 02:28:45 by ileaardbei ileaardbei
I liked it. The voice-overs were kinda cheesy but the rest was ok. Never heard such music in a demo :-)
added on the 2002-08-05 03:28:32 by moT moT
Simple, enjoyable and stylish. unlike most of the other entries.
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 07:11:57 by uncle-x uncle-x
spedes+jormas co-op ?
added on the 2002-08-05 08:10:22 by hooligan hooligan
simple and tastefully made == a good time watching it.
added on the 2002-08-05 08:31:54 by _-_-__ _-_-__
It wasn't bad at all. Good feeling troughout.
added on the 2002-08-05 09:51:20 by gimle gimle
absolutely amazing. one of my favourites of the asm demo compo. the overall feeling when watching this demo is just great and the brilliant music rounds up this production to be top notch for me. should have be in the top 5 for real!
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 11:37:37 by jazz jazz
yeah i doubble what Jazz said. This demo is great. i think its nice with a no 3dshow demo. pure atmosphere and the phat tune!!
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 12:05:23 by NoahR NoahR
I like it.
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 14:01:02 by Shifter Shifter
I'll second Uncle-x's opinion.. Nothing too tricky here but it works! It's always great to see stuff that's not supa-dupa-3d-kaboom-in-yer-face in these "accelerated" times ;)
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 15:20:24 by el-bee el-bee
great atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 17:14:30 by rjv rjv
this is cool. tho very slow
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 17:58:28 by raymon raymon
cheesy voice (round 1, fight!) but great demo. Nice rythm, very engaging for a 2D slideshow
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 18:58:43 by cats cats
well I'll second Little Bitchard.

stylish it is.
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 22:02:02 by droid droid
Simple and stylish
rulez added on the 2002-08-05 22:18:35 by teel teel
I wonder, if a 3D artist worked a few weeks through all this and converted the pictures into 3D scenes, would that make it more impressive? Ok, this could have been done with Flash. A lot of other demos look like they could have been released as animations rendered straight from the 3DS Max scenes, and entered in the animation compo!

Demos are no longer "demonstrating the power of the hardware technology", games are doing it much better. We all know you can render pretty many pretty polygons realtime on a PC. After playing some Startopia (which is an old game by now?), the 3D stuff at Assembly somehow fails to impress me.

Maybe I'm weak-minded, but I was impressed by "the message", technology (if you call random morphing 3D blurps "technology", hey those must be ~10 lines of OpenGL or DirectX calls...) is a possibility, but is it the answer to all our problems? :-)

Anyway, since it was a democompo after all, it would probably not have hurt if there had actually been some demo effects in this... :-) But the best parts might pass for a TV ad or something...
rulez added on the 2002-08-06 00:28:30 by deetsay deetsay
"Ok, this could have been done with Flash. A lot of other demos look like they could have been released as animations rendered straight from the 3DS Max scenes, and entered in the animation compo!"

well, perhaps the key in demoscene has been to do stuff realtime ... and thats why people like when stuff is as cool realtime as prerendered... but then again, youre just an idiot
sucks added on the 2002-08-06 00:32:39 by Hatikvah Hatikvah

stefan you're an idiot, these pictures were shown on screen r-e-a-l-t-i-m-e, with code...

and the demo is great too.

rulez added on the 2002-08-06 00:46:09 by raver raver
WOW!!! Were all those pictures shown in real-time? How did they do? So many pixels and that effect that paints them... nearly impossible!!! And they were shown with code.... godamnit!!
sucks added on the 2002-08-06 11:53:14 by peggy peggy
If you're that eager to say "fuck you" to each other go do it somewhere else (since you can't seem to even that properly).

About the demo: true, there are no effects. There should have been some. There should also have been better addon graphics. Whatever you think of the demo do NOT claim this kinda stuff is trivial to create. Maybe it is effectwise but so what? It takes a lot of work. That stuff just won't appear there in that manner automatically no matter how static the images are.

That said... Just continue make themeless and pointless demos with truly trivial uninteresting 3D and satisfy the needs of the masses. I'll continue in my own direction - with or without Halcyon :)
added on the 2002-08-06 13:24:53 by vesuri vesuri
probably the most stylish entry of the compo.
rulez added on the 2002-08-06 13:37:53 by bhead bhead
the voice sort of sucks, but nice kraftwerk-style electrobeats in the background and neat 2d effects.
rulez added on the 2002-08-06 13:57:17 by robotriot robotriot
Cool prod, fabulous music. Great work Vesuri!
rulez added on the 2002-08-06 19:04:39 by z5 z5
There is no point in this production being in the demo compo. In wild compo this would have been okay.
sucks added on the 2002-08-06 20:51:15 by drstranger drstranger
@drstranger:
Why is there no point in this production being in the demo compo?

Do all demos have to look the same, have 3d and tons of layers/colors/effects/whatever? Give me one reason why this is not a demo and others are? Do all demos have to look the same?

It is one of the productions i enjoyed most in the whole compo (with variform and 32 degrees)
added on the 2002-08-06 20:57:45 by z5 z5
drstranger is one of the pathetic lamers around in the scene i have ever seen. i would even say he is not even a member of the demoscene or knows a single bit about the work behind those productions. stay away from demos, you cocksmoker!
added on the 2002-08-06 21:44:43 by jazz jazz
my alltime topfavourite demoboyband #1 is back!!!
rulez added on the 2002-08-07 12:00:43 by rp^frstl rp^frstl
stylish, the music rocks, and so do the graphics and the overall feeling.

true, there are not really effects in this, but effects weren't the point of this demo in the first place. from the design point, this certainly rocks, and the amount of sync/composition work is huge in this demo.

big thumbs up for being not the same old song.
rulez added on the 2002-08-07 14:14:41 by ryg ryg
oh, and by the way - again a jormas demo seems to be absolutely underrated by the scene. this has been so for years.
added on the 2002-08-07 14:16:23 by ryg ryg
there are demos above the "fancy looking vectors sheme".
this is one of them.
rulez added on the 2002-08-07 14:40:50 by hfr hfr
Ok, my only two negative points first:
a) even ONE single effect would have been enough, please next time ;)
b) Slowly we know that the world we're living in sucks.

Apart from that, i love the feeling and the really great soundtrack. I'm SO glad to see that there are still people out there who can express themselves and don't fall into the trap of pseudo-important scenepoetry. No, this one is honest. Glad to have you "back" :)
rulez added on the 2002-08-07 14:57:22 by kb_ kb_
kb, a) I totally agree :)... and b), don't take it too seriously ;). I'm not *really* trying to have a message here (at least not too dead serious). It just... came out that way :D
added on the 2002-08-07 15:29:00 by vesuri vesuri
This is the worst "demo" i ever see in my hole Scene live. I really hate this shit. I cannot explain how bad this it. Deltree da Jormas. 1000 Thumps down for this one. THIS SUXX.
sucks added on the 2002-08-08 18:27:20 by diver diver
i could do better things with powerpoint.
added on the 2002-08-08 18:30:48 by diver diver
i respect DA JORMAS a lot.. but.. this is a lamecopy of FINN/gmunk http://www.gmunk.com/2001_NYC_transit/FINN_QT.html. Sorry.. but sucks..
sucks added on the 2002-08-08 18:54:01 by mrdoob mrdoob
Wow, that clip rocks! I wanna see a demo that REALLY looks like that... Now you MUST throw your thumbs up to Vesuri for at least trying :-)
added on the 2002-08-09 13:50:12 by deetsay deetsay
No brainkiller, but somehow nice.
rulez added on the 2002-08-17 23:09:48 by Gargaj Gargaj
If you're interested in running the demo on big endian platforms please visit http://www.jormas.com/asm02.html for the latest version.
added on the 2002-08-27 17:41:34 by vesuri vesuri
...and now it's possible to ./configure ; make ; make install it to the prefix you want =)... Tested platforms: Linux/x86, Win32, Solaris/sparc(64bit), Solaris/x86, Tru64/Alpha... There is a MacOSX port but IMO SDL needs some fixes.
added on the 2002-08-28 01:44:25 by vesuri vesuri
ddraw error
winMe + p4 1.8 + gef4200ti128 + 512MbDDR + dx8.1
Best "ALTERNATIVE" Amiga group is back!!!!!
Respect.
rulez added on the 2002-10-10 07:13:49 by kimi kandler kimi kandler
Killer design and good music. I like it.
rulez added on the 2002-10-16 08:03:00 by dairos dairos
If it only would have had some effects, it would have made a very interesting demo. It's like they're building up for minutes to something bigger, and then nothing happens. :-)

Bonus points for source and platform independence, though. :-)
added on the 2002-11-12 17:27:36 by Sesse Sesse
i totally agree with trace... a poorly made ripoff with crappy code.
sucks added on the 2003-12-11 15:12:04 by dodke dodke
nice
rulez added on the 2004-08-05 04:15:42 by legalize legalize
Fan fucking tastic

Is Gameworld 2000 released yet?
I have the 19 minute soundtrack
rulez added on the 2004-08-05 05:59:04 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
I like this prod, it has no impressive effects, but it has nice style and music. Most graphics are photos.
Really cool themed demo. Nice photomaterial
rulez added on the 2004-11-30 00:18:55 by VJmile VJmile
^^
rulez added on the 2004-11-30 00:21:53 by Preacher Preacher
let you think and it's well done.
I like it.
rulez added on the 2004-12-05 16:04:21 by checkoff checkoff
Good atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2005-08-24 17:35:47 by ALiEN^bf ALiEN^bf
Quote:
About the demo: true, there are no effects. There should have been some.


Who needs effects when you got style and ideas? ;)
rulez added on the 2005-11-15 09:03:49 by kurli kurli
gratz
rulez added on the 2005-12-06 00:48:49 by Shriggar Shriggar
This is great.
rulez added on the 2006-02-21 20:04:52 by Sverker Sverker
yep
rulez added on the 2006-02-21 20:16:22 by kusma kusma
i like like like this one :D
Smart!
rulez added on the 2006-08-31 00:31:55 by gentleman gentleman
awesome demo, the tune rocks.
rulez added on the 2006-09-05 02:53:40 by qwanUP qwanUP
... fuking great
rulez added on the 2006-11-21 19:07:40 by uns3en_ uns3en_
nice design
rulez added on the 2006-11-21 19:29:24 by waffle waffle
only a piggie...
...coZ i liked EVERY Amiga-Jormas-Release more than this one.!
Vesuri´s Amiga-Tunes roKked a lOt mOre.!
...i liked the traKk tho.!
style is enough to make it work
rulez added on the 2008-09-16 06:29:50 by aegis aegis
Style!
rulez added on the 2009-02-26 02:50:33 by fxmj4598fj4598fj fxmj4598fj4598fj
I missed this one!
rulez added on the 2009-09-15 19:51:14 by pan pan
Cool.
rulez added on the 2011-08-31 04:42:58 by xernobyl xernobyl
missing thumb!
rulez added on the 2011-08-31 08:12:32 by substrate substrate
Interesting
rulez added on the 2011-12-13 20:44:04 by Frequent Frequent
And the daily dose of Raspberry Pi ports: here
rulez added on the 2012-09-02 13:54:56 by Marq Marq
was (and still is) a stylish demo.
rulez added on the 2013-09-10 12:31:02 by sm sm
So Cool !
rulez added on the 2015-05-22 21:43:12 by Black Dragon Black Dragon
I enjoyed it a lot
Brilliant and stylish!! I love it.
rulez added on the 2015-10-21 00:55:22 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
Fucking excellent design and some brooding electro.
rulez added on the 2016-04-09 00:31:29 by noby noby
nice!
rulez added on the 2017-05-03 07:13:32 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
What, never commented? Underrated classic, still works today, superb soundtrack.
rulez added on the 2017-05-03 10:07:44 by break break

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