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the cracktro dilemma

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Optimuz please write your blog post very soon!
added on the 2008-10-17 11:40:02 by forestcre forestcre
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i've always naively thought that cracktros are a gateway to the demoscene, to the scene spirit

that's 'cos... meh. i give up.
added on the 2008-10-17 11:40:39 by Gargaj Gargaj
True enough :) And a very good reason why this is a non-issue from start to finish.

No offence, Zest, but if you like something, the last thing you should do is get pouet involved. It's like doing a poo on your pet kitten's head after a fleeting and misguided moment of conviction that it would make it even more cute and then complaining to everyone that your cat is covered in shit. That's how most pouet threads seem to go...
added on the 2008-10-17 11:41:52 by syphus syphus
Lmfao!

Fair play to you syphus.
added on the 2008-10-17 11:43:25 by Shockwave Shockwave
Sorry, no; more like inviting all your neighbours to come round and do poos on your kitten's head!

I'm at work and the moments of meditation in which I try to construct analogies are frequently interrupted.
added on the 2008-10-17 11:43:26 by syphus syphus
and zest please give up analyzing things
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so they dont need to be "aesthetically pleasing", except they are uploaded here.

Yep, you are right, this is a site where we discuss the artistic merits (if any) of these intros. Please take this into account before getting your panties in a twist about the comments.
added on the 2008-10-17 11:50:32 by Sverker Sverker
syphus: that's what i meant in the first place, most of the cracktro groups can't be accused of your main reproach (except maybe titan ;) as they usually don't bother posting their releases on pouet, glöpwhores do ;D

also about cool intro concepts, i liked sheep/ages' efforts to make intros for major game trainers :)
added on the 2008-10-17 11:53:05 by Zest Zest
Ok, SOMEONE please poo on a kitten's head and post the pic.
guardian: let's leave that (your) problem in the laughable french thread.
added on the 2008-10-17 11:58:59 by Zest Zest
zest> well apparently, i am not (wasn't) the only one out there begging you to stfu and stop opening useless threads
çà va moucher rouge ! :)
added on the 2008-10-17 12:07:18 by cyb0rg cyb0rg
we're a cracktro group now? cool!!!!
added on the 2008-10-17 12:07:44 by s0r s0r
bah guardian, i won't even try answering to your ayatollah'ish self-centered reaction.

if you don't feel concerned by that stupid thread, just skip it and spend your time more wisely.
added on the 2008-10-17 12:12:25 by Zest Zest
In fact, making a cracktro under a secret nickname attached in the cracked software that the company I have a job produces, would be a very funny and ironic thing for me to do :)
added on the 2008-10-17 12:44:29 by Optimus Optimus
such irony wouldn't be the first :p
added on the 2008-10-17 12:57:09 by Zest Zest
btw it's interesting to notice that last popular demos have been playing with 'kinetic typography' (as willbe call it) a lot - see paniq's works for the most representative examples - because it's a hip trend in mainstream medias (and a cheap & efficient way to fill space with meaningful content...) and even if scene poetry is usually not so appreciated...

whereas the productions who would need efficient/impressive typography to fulfil their primary purpose still use old amiga fonts and pixel logos! o_O

come on cracktros, see what hitch did with his walking fries, there is place for new things |o/

(yes one day i should convert my words into bytes, one fuking day!)
added on the 2008-10-17 13:35:50 by Zest Zest
also fiver's immersive typography in debris, which is massively used in the new X-files clone show Fringe...
added on the 2008-10-17 13:41:25 by Zest Zest
please don't say that this was invented by fiver, though. please
added on the 2008-10-17 14:34:53 by noname noname
of course not, the thread about debris listed all the mainstream references and the trick is prolly super old, personally i noticed it in a david fincher flick.
added on the 2008-10-17 14:41:38 by Zest Zest
according to wiki, "Scholars recognize the first feature film to take advantage of kinetic typography as Alfred Hitchcock's North by Northwest." (1959)

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dunno about the history of the 'immersive' type, does anyone know ?
added on the 2008-10-17 14:49:58 by Zest Zest
Doing 80s style cool looking + sounding cracktros that run well at 8mhz in 40kb: cool.
Doing 80s style cool looking + sounding stuff with crazy effects that use modern power in 64kb: cool.
Doing 80s style average looking + sounding stuff that runs worse on a 2ghz pc than it should on an 8mhz amiga, while taking several hundred kb to do it? umm...
added on the 2008-10-17 15:11:19 by psonice psonice
A cracktro is small enough if it fits on the disk with the game and fast enough if it runs on the same system that the game runs on tho. ;)
added on the 2008-10-17 15:17:07 by Sverker Sverker
2 links i've just stumbled upon which could opportunely inspire intro design :

http://www.artofthetitle.com/
http://thetypographychannel.blogspot.com/
added on the 2008-10-17 15:17:27 by Zest Zest
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Talking about graphical effects... crackintros never came close to actual demos in the 90's, so why do they have to now? The Amiga also had more power then a simple sinescroll would need but still we all loved 'em back then and nobody complained about it, sayin "Ooooh, I could code that scroll on C64, what a lame code for 68000!". A crackintro is not a demo, easy as that, it carries a little message and does not need any hardcore effects. And if it does, its okay, and if its only a black screen with a text, its also okay (not for this platform here of course). Hitchhikr's or Keops "intros" are for sure a 'must see' but their coding talent may not become the standard for a cracktro coder nowadays, otherwise we will have to wait until groups like Farbrausch start to code cracktros and I can't imagine that this will ever happen.
by alpha1
added on the 2008-10-17 15:41:32 by Zest Zest

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