microsoft is killing the demoscene

category: general [glöplog]
why is anyone scared of this ? like psionice said you'd switch it off the first day of install anyway, just like the annoying dog in XP etc ...
besides, longhorn wont be out until 2006-2007 or so anyway. And by then I think we'll have enough hardware-power to waste on some sloppy effects noone really wants.
added on the 2004-03-11 11:56:49 by moname moname
I don't really see the problem with enabling more hardware acceleration in the user interface. The fact that this makes it possible to add visual effects to the windows is just a cute side effect anyway.
added on the 2004-03-11 12:13:47 by kusma kusma
yes, graphics card is the one that should be rendering the screen contents, not the cpu. and i'm sure those effects don't really eat up cpu time at all. (though the videos kinda sucked ass)
added on the 2004-03-11 12:18:08 by raymon raymon
wayland, kusma: I'm scared because windows doesn't have it's problem that it is not eyecandy enough.. but in the safety.. every now and then a security hole appears and it seems like they should build some good fundament than just stuffing the holes and then doing these improvements..
But well.. I am absolutely not informed about longhorn.. what are the biggest improvements of longhorn..?
added on the 2004-03-11 12:57:06 by phred phred
added on the 2004-03-11 13:13:13 by Gargaj Gargaj
longhorn sux.
they plan to make screenshots impossible. you know why...
added on the 2004-03-11 14:55:16 by ttl ttl
Gargaj stop spreading commie propaganda. those FSF advocates really scare me...
added on the 2004-03-11 16:10:06 by FooLman FooLman
FSF advocates suck but so does the fact that you can wave bye-bye to free programming (i.e. demos) in case you don't have the money to buy Visual Studio. Same goes for your MP3's, movies, etc.
added on the 2004-03-11 16:13:48 by Gargaj Gargaj
nops. i don't think so. first of all by that time we'll be to old to even find a keyboard. :)
But i believe that this will cause the age of really useable free alternatives. There are some of them whose are almos good. Like BloodShed's DevC++, or Eclipse. Then more people will be forced to use their creativity to better these products - or create more alternatives.
fuck, i just sound as one of them...
anyways, since XP has to be activated there are absolutely no pir8 copies around, are there? ;)
added on the 2004-03-11 16:44:55 by FooLman FooLman
You don't get the fucking point, you won't be physically ABLE to use those as long as you have Longhorn installed. Read that goddamn FAQ
added on the 2004-03-11 16:48:47 by Gargaj Gargaj
Oh gott, this text is hot. Is it real?
I am gonna take my CPC and go to the mountains ;)
added on the 2004-03-11 17:09:57 by Optimus Optimus
FooLman: Regarding general desktop usage, there are really usable free alternatives as we speak. Ask any Mac owner, or see for your self a working linux box (such as my own). People who use windows are just bored to explore the alternatives, but once you put a little effort to it, you discover that the alternative solutions are really viable (if not better).

From a programmer/software developer's point of view, yes, things are complicated. You mostly have to develop stuff for Windows (because 96% of your target group uses that - talk about monopoly re-inforcement). However there are solutions for that too, Java, cross-platform C/C++ and even .net in the future. That is, as long as you want to invest time to make your work portable. In any case, free alternatives are improving very fast.

Gargaj: The TG will forbid you from using unlicensed copies of TG-enabled operating systems, programs and content (audio/video). That will not stop people from choosing free alternatives (linux, open-source programs, free formats). TG-enabled hardware will not forbid you from running these "unsafe" pieces of software. However, it is reasonable to assume that corporations will tend to stick with microsoft. That way, you may need to work in a controlled environment in your company (no mp3s and linux :-) but you can do whatever you want at home.

Consumer outcry has pushed back CPRM-enabled harddisks and Serial number Pentium 3's, I believe that the same will happen with TG. Only microsoft can lose from this deal :-)
added on the 2004-03-11 17:11:01 by moT moT
Gargaj has a major point, but I'm willing to wager there's going to be a "workaround" for all that when the time comes ...

And buying Visual Studio is not a crime either
Consumer outcry has pushed back CPRM-enabled harddisks and Serial number Pentium 3's, I believe that the same will happen with TG. Only microsoft can lose from this deal :-)

Either that or they'll do what they want from that point... Shit's gonna be interesting.
added on the 2004-03-11 17:30:49 by Gargaj Gargaj
Seems a pretty thorough system to try to "work around" ;) , but as moT says consumers with any brains won't let it happen. Personally the thought of running a TC platform where other people effectively have control of the content on my machine deeply scares me, and if they implement it i'll either stay on XP forever or go Linux. I'm sure many others will do the same, and it'll die out pretty quickly if it gets as far as launching at all.

I wonder if a government tried to implement something like this on martial people had in their homes (books, CDs, videos etc) whether they'd get a way with it or get taken down for violating our privacy ;)
just think about your phone lines... you would never be aware...
added on the 2004-03-11 18:02:47 by Gargaj Gargaj
personally i think there will be a big problem with this shit. The thing is, as evil as it may befor us, its a pretty good thing for businesses and governments. If it was possible to stop all the unlicensed software, divx downloads, viruses and spam we have on the network here, it would cut the technicians workload by half... So i guess it WILL be popular, like it or not.

But with some luck, the average consumer out there will have enough sense to see that its a very bad thing, and ms will be forced to make a consumer version without that technology.
added on the 2004-03-11 18:17:58 by psonice psonice
Microsoft, now known as Gestaposoft. Bill Gates comes to carry you off in the middle of the night for having a pirate copy of minesweeper ;) (Corrections to last post: martial = material, a way = away).
As with anything popular, you cannot change the minds of all people in the world. You have to choose what you want for yourself and then try to educate the people you know. After that, you just have to hope for the best :-)
added on the 2004-03-11 18:25:14 by moT moT
i would bet on that this palladium (yes i'm aware of the fact that this name is outdated) thing will happen soon.
and we are facing really scary but at the same time fuckin interesting times!
of course the system will be badly abused, but there are at least two groups of people having influence on the flow of the events:
- lawyers (the first time in human history, law firms will actually serve the people :))
- and hackers (of course, not the current ones)
in fact i'm actually very excited (but of course, not really happy) to see these things working out there...
added on the 2004-03-11 18:49:28 by blala blala
The chances of TC being legalized and supported are growing by each successive virus-invasion, ddos and stuff.
this way they can convince stupid politicians much cheaper than bribing them as it should happen that this is "fight against terrorism" (insert any post 11.09 shit here)

moT: i'm quite aware of the alternatives, but i'm too comfortable with Win. To tell the truth most of the time i'm simply too lazy to configure an os for more than 10 minutes... Besides it's quite hard to develop for windows on anything else. Never want to say "uh-oh, this worked in WinE" :)
added on the 2004-03-12 07:32:49 by FooLman FooLman
As with anything popular, you cannot change the minds of all people in the world. You have to choose what you want for yourself and then try to educate the people you know. After that, you just have to hope for the best :-)

Wow.. what a quote..! You are my friend now.. :-) That's exactly how I feel when I fight against all those popular things and try to educate people.. it's not that easy..
added on the 2004-03-12 08:18:14 by phred phred
foolman: vmware..?
added on the 2004-03-12 08:20:43 by phred phred
phred: vmware is not a real alternative. Although it works like charm, as you still have to purchase a copy of win, install it, etc.... For an average workstation not running any constantly needed services - and a developer's workstation that is mostly - it's quite just another name for having a bootmanager with a windows option.

Anyways Gargaj's nightmare is not an option even for MS and Intel and namewhoeveryouwant together. And the magic expression is : "legacy third party apps". Telling every company: "hey guys, from now on throw out all your good and working apps, and purchase a new version with TC enabled" would cause quite a revolt. The cost of the Y2K thing was just pocketmoney compared to this...
Therefore our demos are quite safe. period.
added on the 2004-03-12 09:58:31 by FooLman FooLman