Hugi #35 - Disruption in Chaos Theory by Hugi [web]
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added on the 2008-11-03 22:27:35 by Gmitts Gmitts
i have the avg problem too... probably magic's bad spelling :P
All was going fine... until I reached a certain article by dark/jasoft.

What an extremely racist and ignorant article. You guys are seriously fucked in the head.
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 22:59:04 by [self-ban] [self-ban]
ok so I was reading this, starting with the demo-related stuff as usual...

Nice design, some informative articles (check that massive nvision review) and lots of photos from parties I missed. And then

What is wrong with you guys.. just WHAT is this article doing in there. You know which one. Is hugi now turning into a "white supremacy" propaganda medium for good? I though after all this *SHITE* about IQ, Mensa and eugenics you would have learned that such pile of wank just doesn't cut it around here.

I'm sorry for those who contributed the rest of the articles (I didn't read further than that) that do have some merit/value.

sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:13:10 by Navis Navis
Navis: I didn’t pay attention to this article, the misc section isnt something I am really doing just the demoscene part.. will check up with adok.. in anyway mail me any feedback at magic_nah@hotmail.com so we can try to overcome this for the next issue and make the next issue better.. thanx..
Damn I thought we had everything fine for this issue.. sorry... greetz, Magic
added on the 2008-11-03 23:19:07 by magic magic
the content was good and the design too, but that article :/
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:21:20 by zeroshift zeroshift

If you honestly didn't know about this, magic, then I feel for you cause I know that you put alot of work into that magazine. Which magazine, unfortunately, is going to be thumbed down for stuff like this (and deservingly so).

Who is editor in chief in Hugi. Still Adok ? Damn Adok, what where you thinking man
added on the 2008-11-03 23:26:44 by Navis Navis
Hahahahaha, that article is hilariously retarded :D The rest of the magazine is actually p. much fine. Too bad!
added on the 2008-11-03 23:26:52 by okkie okkie
Well I have to boot Windows now and see just how much they fucked up. Knowing those two it was probably the plan all along :D
Everybody knows Adok doesn't like black people and thinks he's better than them. That's not really news, people just kinda ignore it.
added on the 2008-11-03 23:27:55 by okkie okkie
Oh, and it's OBVIOUSLY a troll (Isn't 'dark/jasoft' unseen or smth?)
added on the 2008-11-03 23:28:55 by okkie okkie
Magic, why don't you distance yourself from hugi and start your own mag? It such a waste of your work, spoiled by fuhrer adok.
I had a good 2 hours reading it all, and now I have some things to check on the net because of it. I think I will make you a music for the next issue. Nice mag!
added on the 2008-11-03 23:35:35 by rambones rambones
Poor magic.
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:41:22 by xernobyl xernobyl
I reckon the robot in the pic might be in the process of a swift salute there, what do you think?
fuckings to nazis!
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:44:37 by Proteque Proteque
What Rob and Navis said.
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:44:39 by keops keops
I'm going to be rebellious and place a thumb up, because I do enjoy the *other* articles so far. (having said that, a huge thumb down to Adok for publishing "that" article)
added on the 2008-11-03 23:45:41 by Alpha C Alpha C
Thumb UP I said!
rulez added on the 2008-11-03 23:45:56 by Alpha C Alpha C
Yeah, thumbing this up because the rest is actually really decent.
rulez added on the 2008-11-03 23:48:13 by okkie okkie
I enjoyed reading it apart from that article... Who the fuck is Dark/Jasoft?
rulez added on the 2008-11-03 23:52:18 by Shockwave Shockwave
okkie: Uhm, no it's actually pretty crappy... I didn't even bother to read that article, which looked more or less like textbook trolling to me anyway.
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:59:38 by kusma kusma
So, the "middle-eastern" culture is herding people? Europe has the technology and the rest of the world is fucked up? Get a clue before you write anything. Today, if we have the concept of "null" and "zero" we owe it to the "so-called Islamic" mathematicians. Even the words chiffre, cipher and derivatives are born from the arabic word for "zero".

Today if Europe has its current technology, it's also thanks to the initializers of data flow, such as crusades. Press, navigation, paper, gun powder, all these are ported to Europe from the "so-called Islamic culture".

I think, this article shows how really Adok feels as he let it slip through to the mag. To a certain extent it can be understood as a criticism, but insulting values of humankind without any valid basis is nothing but being yet-another-nazi.

By the way, IQ is bullshit. It doesn't stand for anything on its own, in fact it depends on many external factors such as EQ. I'd like to see a full bibliograph of this article pinpointing the results of the specific scientific research that has proven IQ on its own as the mere fact that decides for human intelligence.

So, dear whomever the fuck is taking care of this mag. You screwed big time. White supremacy with valid references could have been told as personal opinion, but this is plain insulting.
sucks added on the 2008-11-03 23:59:56 by decipher decipher
ok I send an email to adok and asked for a new version of hugi#35 without that particular article to be released tomorrow
to replace this version... sorry that is all I can do for now.. and dont judge hugi#35 only on this 1 article there is so much more inside.. we try to do our best.. greetz, Magic
added on the 2008-11-04 00:01:10 by magic magic
avg refuse to save this file, but I really could not care less due to the racist comments! Go fuck off, nazi punks!
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:01:57 by response response
added on the 2008-11-04 00:09:10 by nosfe nosfe
jesus christ.

- intro pic is horrid.
- the layout is so much of a ripoff of ZINE it hurts except you never actually fucking realized what makes it great (= NOT grey background and times new fucking roman). usability silently crawled out the window.
- all the "roundtables" are just the same questions sent out to N > 3 people, with no coherence or damn EDITING inbetween.
- "woo, the girlfriend/wife article was successful, i'll do another one and ask of all people ZEILA whether she knows about the demoscene - after she released her first demo!"
- the whole thing drips of lack of care and giving a fuck.
- the racist article i wont even comment about.

for the record, polaris' stuff was great albeit somewhat... "captain's log-ish", and i actually really liked diamondie's short story. (less is more?)

in any case, it is as horrible as i feared it.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:09:29 by Gargaj Gargaj
uh. nice mag, apart from one already mentioned article. still one bad apple amongst some good stuff.

also a bit miffed that modarchive.org doesn't get a mention in the music related sites list? Its been going a long long time, you must know of it o_O
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 00:11:08 by m0d m0d
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sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:14:33 by flickey flickey
I thought it was a great mag and a lot of effort went into the contents. Design is quite nice and the music is excellent. Really enjoyed reading the interviews with Ra and Fairfax too.

As for the bad taste article...yes it sucks, but it's no worse than the stuff I see on popular websites from day to day. The whole puprose of it is to get under people's skin.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 00:16:10 by Wade Wade
You don't say.

And the intro pic is a quite dapper lad! I would like to shake his hand!
added on the 2008-11-04 00:17:38 by okkie okkie
a mixed bag in terms of quality, i much preffered the previous issue of hugi.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:21:36 by keito keito
ok more than one bad apple.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:22:53 by m0d m0d
Continuing what Decipher said: Most navigation technology was ripped by the .pt and .es from the arabian guys. And then US of A was invented.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:31:27 by xernobyl xernobyl
It's a pity. There are a few really good articles but... that one about racist, xenofobic and eugenics neo-nazi propaganda is totally tasteless and unnecessary.

You simply cannot publish that kind of crap and expect to be considered a serious mag to this community.

So... after 2448 days being a pouet user that never put a thumb down. Here is my first.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:32:59 by ham ham
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:33:18 by 4kum4 4kum4
i have to thumb this up simply because there is an article in it that i wrote and which took me considerable amount of effort to get even started with it.

nevertheless, i accidently thought for some reason that my article was for the well renowned ZINE magaZINE. only when i submitted it, i realized what i had done. my mistake entirely, i did not get tricked.

guess i can't check it out on linux that easily so i will rely on your peoples exceptional judgement on these things for now. or not.

anyway i'm happy my article is out. skip the apparently gay and racist content, go for gold.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 00:36:33 by paniq paniq
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 00:40:45 by Lord Graga Lord Graga
The certain article was written by an ignorant xenophobic person and I can't agree with it. It's total bullshit and the person who wrote it should really check his/her opinions.

Thumbs up for that article and thumbs up to hugi for releasing it. Even the most ignorant of us have right to express themselves. In western countries we have this thing called "freedom of speech"
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 00:43:55 by sauli sauli
i wrote and which took me considerable amount of effort to get even started with it.

I think it's very sad that so many good (non-racist) sceners worked hard on this, contributed some great work and it all gets dismissed and thumbed down because of one troll.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:45:15 by Wade Wade
seems that hugi works with wine. so here is, in trickling drips, remarks i make to random sentences i find in hugi.

e.g. adok sends fuckings to scamp "for stirring up opinion against Hugi and the members of its staff".

well said, stephen colbert would say. hugi does not need to be bashed by scamp. Hugi's exceptionally bad quality stirs up sufficiently amounts of negative opinion.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:46:44 by paniq paniq
well, anyone with any sense should know by now that hugi is not the magazine to write for.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:48:06 by nosfe nosfe
This prod should be removed.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:48:31 by lug00ber lug00ber
@sauli: No, no. thumbs downs for release that crap instead of reject articles that are a shame and an insult to the reader.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:49:41 by ham ham
where is the damn racist article. i'm looking all over.
added on the 2008-11-04 00:51:24 by paniq paniq
Misc section, first one on the upper left.
nosfe: anyone with any sense would wear a pair of trousers instead of a kilt.

then again... i'm just envious. :>
added on the 2008-11-04 00:52:15 by paniq paniq
What kind of faggot wrote that? Get lost. Sorry magic, despite couple of interesting articles this was definitely a shot in the own leg.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:55:28 by bonzaj bonzaj
for the bell curves article
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 00:59:23 by Buckethead Buckethead
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Piece of white supremacist crap.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 01:01:00 by El Topo El Topo
paniq, if you'll ever try a kilt you'll know why anyone would prefer them over trousers. :)
added on the 2008-11-04 01:07:26 by nosfe nosfe
nosfe: even during the winter? :)
added on the 2008-11-04 01:10:21 by bonzaj bonzaj
Hugi features some really good articles, great music and gfx. On the other side it's the same story again, as you include articles which you better shouldn't have included. This time the one from Dark. It's getting boring... So thumb up for everything in Hugi, except this article.
added on the 2008-11-04 01:10:47 by Bobic Bobic
what bobic and and nosfe said.

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dark, you can see this?
added on the 2008-11-04 01:14:10 by gentleman gentleman
ahahaha i found the "racist" article. whoever wrote that is a republican gay nigger jew with aids who sells hedge fonds.

seriously, it's not even new or fancy. i read those opinions over and over again, they never come up with something straight. dear dork, your article is badly researched, not even stupidly written, but also stupidly targeted. you are black by your own definition.

(attention, i'm the devils advocate. by no means take anything i say seriously.)
added on the 2008-11-04 01:15:38 by paniq paniq
Shame on those responsible for letting that hate article through.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 01:20:54 by rc55 rc55
I think the intro image was alright, the graphics all in all were alright, I didn't listen the music (sorry).

Some articles were nice, the interviews, specially the questions were quite a bit dumb, but there were some interesting things. I liked specially masagin making of one.

I found (again) the demoscener girlfriend quite embarrassing tho. I don't really see the point, and I feel bad when the girl doesn't understand the demoscene and their answers.

I didn't care on reading the famously wrong article tho.

Overall, nice. Keep it up.
added on the 2008-11-04 01:25:40 by mrdoob mrdoob
Magic, what the fuck is the matter with you?

Hugi is the editorial agent which collates and disseminates diverse authorial intent, so of COURSE we can judge it based on this one issue. The purpose of an editorial body, i.e. the body which prepares and releases a diskmag, is to selectively filter submissions until the output is reflective of that body's standards. If an article like this is published, then the body's standard is set at the level of that article: ignorant, race-hate propaganda.

Not fair? But we judge history's Fascist dictators for their crimes against humanity despite their purported ability to build motorways or get the trains running on time. Of course it's fucking fair. And if you had half a shred of common sense, you'd grow the balls to distance yourself from this fiasco.

I don't honestly believe you're a bad person, but your technical proximity to the recurring catastrophe that is Hugi and its sociopathic editor will soon start to look like an idealogical proximity - and, therefore, agreement.

You're great at nagging people to death for submissions - so start nagging them for submissions for a publication that isn't automatically lowered to its own common denominator, whenever Adok drops a fucking clanger like this.

There's no point in laying into Adok here. The guy's obviously psychologically damaged beyond any messageboard's capacity to persuade him back into the fold of society. There's no point in shouting at the socially deficient for being socially deficient; no more than shouting at a leper because his fingers fall in your lunch.

So this is directed at YOU, Magic, and intended to build on the other similar comments - perhaps giving you a lifeline and a chance to rejoin civilisation. Or at least the sort of civilisation that isn't exclusively neo-Nazi and hate-filled.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 01:46:12 by syphus syphus
*own lowest common denominator, that should have read.
added on the 2008-11-04 01:47:51 by syphus syphus
Obama '08!

Never liked Hugi anyway. And for a guy with such congenitally "superior" intellect, Adoke's terrible grasp of English, total lack of logic and general retardation is surprising.

Reading Hugi has always been a pain in the arse. Thanks for giving me the excuse to never d/l this piece of retrograde shit again.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 01:48:53 by button button
there were some articles which were a nice read (paniq's for example) but also a lot of uninteresting stuff and of course that one article... somehow I think you guys should just ditch Adok from the team.

I really liked the previous interface a lot more, for this issue the images representing the articles often looked distorted, the colour scheme (greyish blue) was simply ugly and times new roman... well.

Yet, I enjoyed some of the articles, so I can't really thumb it down. But please get rid of Adok :)
added on the 2008-11-04 02:06:37 by stijn stijn
added on the 2008-11-04 02:18:31 by tFt tFt
It's always amazing to see people still being surprised of the shady content in hugi. Donkeys and stones. I actually feel for magic because he *does* put in a whole lot of work and then doesn't even see what 'subtle' (now, how subtle! like a ballet of steamrollers) trolling articles are placed.

And I'm kinda flabbergasted that so many people grab and cradle the bait so blatantly placed.

Still put my money on Unseen being Dark/Jasoft!
added on the 2008-11-04 02:19:46 by okkie okkie
Uh, I missed the headlines section. Interesting articles about the USA demoscene, being myself quite related to it :) Also nice interview to RA (altough the questions were not clever again), and also nice UI interface by Ra.

I guess you guys need more people, and specially better interviewers with better questions, I'm amazed sometimes how the people getting interviewed even answer some of the questions.

Still, Piggy, but keep it up.
added on the 2008-11-04 02:26:23 by mrdoob mrdoob
i spent quite some time and enjoyed reading many of the articles and interviews. looking forward to next issue!
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 03:44:26 by blackpawn blackpawn
My bit of humor doesn't seem to be conveyed through my interview too much, but eh :)

Thumb for the design, articles [except that one] and music.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 05:40:12 by micksam7 micksam7
I must be the only one here who sees why it's hilarious that racist content is condemned as "gay" and as having been written by a "faggot".

Sauli, freedom of speech does not imply that any publisher has the responsibility to give everyone a platform to exercise their freedom.
added on the 2008-11-04 06:19:20 by jobe jobe
Oh and the article is crap, brings no new insight to the tired old subject, is basically a summary of what the author has been blabbing about on IRC for ages now, and is a sign of extremely poor editorial judgement.

Still, a piggy for "Bidding goodbye". This is a good sign, perhaps more people will leave Hugi in the future.
added on the 2008-11-04 06:38:33 by jobe jobe
What Gargaj said. And just so you know: the blatant attempts at getting attention for your abysmal mag with a "controversial" bullshit article were already old and tired back when you tried it with that "EP" character.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 07:39:19 by break break
I dont even need to read this (sorry paniq)
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 07:42:21 by leijaa leijaa
and the funny bonus is that the article was written by someone from *finland*, the country with two jews, five and a half negros and one kebab-turk.
added on the 2008-11-04 07:49:25 by skrebbel skrebbel
only when i submitted it, i realized what i had done. my mistake entirely, i did not get tricked.

First of all, thanks to Magic for nagging me to write this!

btw, paniq, do you jerk off on your own photos?
added on the 2008-11-04 07:57:37 by skrebbel skrebbel
Published the article on my blog as well:

added on the 2008-11-04 07:58:40 by paniq paniq
Nice mag, and fuckings to the communists demosceners here which mindset is as bad as the one they criticise.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 07:58:55 by Zplex Zplex
sxrebbel: sometimes, with full intent. and then i sadly realize it's just my girlfriends face.
added on the 2008-11-04 08:00:12 by paniq paniq
I love 35MB emags!! :)
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 08:19:29 by radman1 radman1
That article was uncalled for.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 09:11:06 by flynn_nrg flynn_nrg
Too bad there were some decent articles in here.
added on the 2008-11-04 09:18:18 by xeron xeron
Hugi! It's really a disruption in chaos theory =)

Haven't read anything yet, I am at work right now and won't run the mag before 17:00. I hope that particular article will not be as sad as I think it will be. I believe I will enjoy the rest and forget that one..

I thumb this up now before reading it because I am a huge Hugi fan, the same way that some people thumb this down (at least in previous issues, here there seems to be a reason, an article) because they are Hugi haters.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 09:41:37 by Optimus Optimus
I find this edition of hugi a bit thin... I was expecting some more coding tip/tricks articles like previous editions, I guess I will write some myself for the next one.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 09:46:42 by xTr1m xTr1m
Greetings to Viktoria, maybe I'll come around to check your tinbeer!
I didn't find that certain article (probably removed already) but being an editor of a magazine myself I have to underline what Syphus said about responsibility.
added on the 2008-11-04 09:53:11 by chromag chromag
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 09:56:14 by rmeht rmeht
The link is dead.
added on the 2008-11-04 10:11:20 by masterm masterm
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:37:48 by mueslee mueslee
Thumb down for the hyperracist article, another one for removing it from the mag so the rest cant read what the fuzz is about and a last thumb down for adok being who he really is.

Besides that, read what gargaj wrote.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:41:26 by dwarf dwarf
Did they really remove it? Wow.

Oh well, I have it saved as HTML at home, perhaps I could post it on Wikileaks ;)
added on the 2008-11-04 10:43:46 by jobe jobe
I demand a rerelease of the article! FREEDOM OF SPEECH! FREEDOM OF SPEECH!
added on the 2008-11-04 10:45:37 by waffle waffle
A couple nice articles but the interview still suck.

And no matter whether they re-release the mag without the racist article the editors should NEVER EVER have accepted this piece of shit.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:48:41 by p01 p01
what gargaj said + seriously wtf + this is freaking retarded.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:49:27 by prm prm
There you go: http://www.tamk.fi/~a8jkempp/an_opinion.html
added on the 2008-11-04 10:49:52 by jobe jobe
I don't know if I have download the HUGi with the article or without the article. I'd really want to read it to know what's the fuzz all about it (or how sad it really is). However first thing I downloaded the hugi this morning because I knew I might loose the article but haven't opened it to check it yet..
added on the 2008-11-04 10:51:01 by Optimus Optimus
That's wonderful Optimus, go make a demo about it.

And here goes the faint hope that I had that Adok might have gotten a clue or at least learned to accept either other humans or the responsibilities of publishing... *sigh*
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:57:36 by kb_ kb_
Gargaj has leading. I too found the articles horribly edited, and that the "dark/jsoft" (*sigh*) "article" was included is something that simply should not happen. Hugi once again proves itself to be retarded beyond belief.

..oh, and the jab towards ZINE in the readme (and the headlines, and the layout, and everything) was pitiful, just pitiful.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 10:58:47 by gloom gloom
magic, i don't understand why you put up with this shit any longer... all the work you did to promote and fill the mag is ridiculized by that moronic article. yeah, it may be removed now, but we all know damn well it shouldn't have been included in the first place.

i'd be happy to cooperate with you again, but not if it's for hugi or anything else adok is involved in please.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 11:28:06 by havoc havoc
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 11:28:50 by dipswitch dipswitch
Fuck! Hugi has changed interface that I really like. It's better than ever. The article isn't there now. A good decision maybe. But too late? How about freedom of speech though? I am not sure where we can draw the line but I'll read the article posted in the website there soon and think about it..

Pitty because I really like the new interface, there are a lot of good articles and images. This HUGi would deserve better if only there was no controversy with this friggin article.
added on the 2008-11-04 11:29:19 by Optimus Optimus
freaking racists.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 11:33:16 by panic panic

I gave hugi to some scene friend who never ever knew anything about the PC scene, told me about the controversy of this article, read this article on the page, asked me wtf haven't the editors seen it before releasing? I told him about hugi and the controversy and said "fuck, I delete it, I never read hugi again".

And this was his first issue ever :(

I feel like I am the last one here playing the devil's advocate. I should probably go make a demo about it.
added on the 2008-11-04 11:43:14 by Optimus Optimus
Oh the political correctness. Obama is a fucking muslim and McCain a fucking christian.
added on the 2008-11-04 11:49:25 by Zplex Zplex
[my rant]
I do believe in freedom of speech - for everyone.
But what goes around, comes around. So consequently opinions cause reactions. My reaction is to this is to down it, because I think some folks really didn't do their homework properly.
[/my rant]

Going on topic - the mag layout is a disgrace starting with the (un-)font itself, ending with the utter incohernce of the whole layout. I liked reading the reports and reviews and enjoyed the
tunes, for they were done by folks that DID their homework ;)
so there goes the BB Image

As for 'Albert Pike' Adok allowing such Klan-bollocks to go on air without a recap of the content before the actual release:

Stick it!
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 11:50:21 by d0DgE d0DgE
Too bad for the positive contributions made for this mag. Here's freedom of speech:
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 11:57:20 by Hyde Hyde
People keep confusing freedom of speech with blatant hate-mongering.
added on the 2008-11-04 11:58:57 by okkie okkie
Converting a pig to a thumb down. Sorry to all the folks who did decent work for this, but Adok let you down.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 12:00:22 by xeron xeron
Magic, why don't you distance yourself from hugi and start your own mag?

I don't know about you, but a mag full of uninspired, boring, questionnaire-please-fill-in-the-blanks type of "interviews" that yield absolutely nothing interesting is not my cup of tea. He might be an enthusiastic person, but his interview skills (and his writing skills in general) seem to be unfit for what he's trying to do.

The "racist" "article" was nothing but a lame troll, written by some balding, overweight finn, that's certainly not worth all the outrage and "wall of text" comments.
added on the 2008-11-04 12:03:41 by tomaes tomaes
For some of the articles which were informative and entertaining for me: BB Image
For the rest: BB Image
added on the 2008-11-04 12:16:28 by Jailbird Jailbird
ok articles, but i did not see any big scoop like the Fearmoths revelation from last issue. fill-in-the-blanks q&a interviews are too much retro. the presentation/selector is somewhat confusing with a mix of text and picture selectors.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 12:19:21 by mop mop
HUGE fuckings to adok for disrespecting all the other contributors by including bullshit racist propaganda with their work.
added on the 2008-11-04 12:24:19 by psonice psonice
actually not bad.
only that certain article is ... well ... disturbing.
a weak thumb up overall then.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 12:41:43 by gopher gopher
i guess the offending article is already gone, because i couldnt find it in the mag. completely sad that it was included in the first place, but not entirely surprising (see: adok). the inclusion of this piece alone makes the editorial team look at best like idiots, and at worst like hate mongers. and actually i pity magic for having to backtrack like he did here.
so, it deserves a thumbdown on that alone, but lets try and be fair and judge on the rest. ill give you some kudos here for trying to improve the design and move it forward, and its nice to see more pictures/photos.
sadly, the interface seems like a kneejerk response to zine - basically copying as many superficial ideas from zine as possible to do easily (like section headings, a headlines section, large images for article headers etc), but completely misses the point of it.
imitation is the highest form of flattery so maybe we'll take this issue as a big complement - but i wish youd find your own way. even if that way is oldschool diskmagish, its probably better to find your own ideas and do them well than copy others and suffer poor comparisons.

articles-wise it's pretty similar to previous issues, although again the contents appear to be very zine-inspired. magic works hard to try and talk to the "right people", but when he does the questions he asks are often inane. adok's and diamondie's pieces are as "good" as ever. some decent contributions by e.g. navis make up the content worth reading.
added on the 2008-11-04 12:43:54 by smash smash
I already read worse diskmags and Hugi issues, #35 is absolutely okay. I guess after all those years i just have to live with the fact that diskmags are utterly boring and usually fail to entertain bigtime. But that's not a Hugi thing.
added on the 2008-11-04 12:56:45 by rp rp
the famous article seems to be the thoughts of a 12 years old kid... I mean, you really need to own a very very primitive brain with a very rudimentary form of "intelligence" to make such simplistic analysis and extract those hilarious conclusions.

I feel quite insulted by being considered a potential audience of such low level dissertation. I mean, next time I want to loose my time I will switch my TV on.

For the rest of the articles, I didn't read. Magic, please leave that place, you might deserve more.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 13:13:38 by iq iq
sorry but this article stinks ( a lot )
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 13:15:17 by nytrik nytrik
Adok, drop the politics out, it's a gambling game where only Casino can win.
added on the 2008-11-04 13:15:31 by Manwe Manwe
I don't believe that such an article can accidentaly get through - I mean, look at the title, it already suggests that this article may contain some nazi-related material... So no excuses there.

To the writer: I know quite a lot of people from those "low-IQ"-countries and they are certainly all more intelligent than you.

Huge fuckings to all the nazis out there.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 13:22:16 by src src
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 13:28:22 by anesthetic anesthetic
The rest of the mag seems pretty ok, so pig for me. A quick look through the articles suggests there's some interesting stuff, and the interface is somehow 'passable but with good graphics' - it works, but not particularly well, but it's pretty. The title picture looks extremely gay. Not listened to any music.
added on the 2008-11-04 13:44:42 by psonice psonice
for being dishonest and totally ignorant.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 14:06:57 by Duckers Duckers
i think the writer used facts from his ass. cauuse all the facts he used about islam is fully bullshits.
ps.: from when IQ has to do w/ the way of living?
added on the 2008-11-04 14:44:59 by panic panic
The first version of Hug1 35 will become a legend, even if for the wrong reasons!
added on the 2008-11-04 14:58:37 by mop mop
Why are people forgiving Hugi on aesthetic grounds? If you're going to make me look at fonts like this, you may as well come round to my house and do a huge shit on my monitor. Fuck off.
added on the 2008-11-04 15:03:46 by syphus syphus
added on the 2008-11-04 15:05:19 by Gargaj Gargaj
Waited much more from the headlines diskmag-wise.. Would give it a piggy but with such crap on it it's thumb down. Who the hell cares what is whose IQ anyway (even if it could be measured)? Probably some small dicked fatasses.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 15:06:36 by Serpent Serpent
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 15:25:30 by Bhl! Bhl!
this is the last straw that breaks the camel's back for me : after IQ, eugenics, mensa, supporting iraq war, now a racist article ?! adok you are a despicable shame, you've ruined the work of other contributors again and again >:(

except that infamous article, quite a lot of articles are interesting and would deserve thumbs up, but please could the font be more readable ?
added on the 2008-11-04 15:59:50 by Zest Zest
Dear mr. Adok

When your children grow up, i hope they meet and marries people with every skincolor except white.... Because you're worth it!
added on the 2008-11-04 16:34:26 by dwarf dwarf
more, more!
added on the 2008-11-04 16:53:16 by tempest tempest
Adok getting children?... LOL!
added on the 2008-11-04 17:26:49 by Puryx Puryx
The release of this issue of Hugi is more than welcome - after all, it had been a fair while since the previous issue was released.

And it is, generally - a good issue, with some great writing in it too, along with the front end and more pictures than last time.

But there is also THAT article - yep, the one that this thread has largely been about ..

Whilst I don't personally agree with the generality of 'high-IQ' or 'low-IQ' people as expressed in the article itself, let me tell you that, as far as British people go, I have met more thick whites - while I can count on the fingers of one hand the amount of non-white Brits I have met who are thick. You only have to look at the site - http://www.chavtowns.co.uk - to see morre of the kind of people I mean.

I'm not including anyone I have met who has been or who still is part of the demoscene, as I am personally in awe of what everyone in the scene can and has achieved over the years with prods and friendly talk.

However, there is one part of the article that I do agree with - and it is the bit towards the end about the Islamic faith. Amongst my relatively low amount of friends here in the UK, some of them are gay - and I would not want to see them tortured for that - as they would be if Islam ruled the world. You only have to check out sites such as LiveLeak to see what they do to equivalent people - even if they are only suspected of being gay !

The Islamisation of Europe is something that must not happen - and we must do all we can to fight against it.
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 17:30:48 by Felice Felice
what the fuck?
added on the 2008-11-04 17:32:23 by stijn stijn
yus! let's all be christians!
can we just ban him for god sake
added on the 2008-11-04 17:46:49 by nytrik nytrik
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 17:48:51 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
the world would be a much better place if people would (re)consider their own intelligence and general perception of reality before considering the intelligence of other people they didn't even meet.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 17:52:42 by red red
Hi fella's

Come on this is really over reacting from an objective point of view. But I can understand a little this 'pouetizing, flaming and trolling' But all I can only say is sorry it was included. I really feel bad about it.

Adok and me agreed that there would be no more 'controversial' articles in hugi not from EP not from anyone. I blame myself for not paying attention to this article; 'article about intelligence' ok I thought.. Misc section isnt 'my thing' Demoscene related articles have my big interest.. I blame adok that he didnt tell me it was written under a psydonym.. (that would have gotten my attention I am sure, I will sort this out with Adok) I now know Unseen is the author of this article, atleast thats what Adok told me.. Yes you are right. Point your arrows at him. Not Hugi. (though I agree it should not be in Hugi in the first place)

As mentioned earlier I asked Adok to release a new version of hugi#35 without this article, this version was uploaded around 06:00 at scene.org and than spread further on..

For the next issue I will check the misc. section also because of this.

To conclude I really thought we did good for this issue.. I really did.. Worked hard with a passion for the scene on #35 I can assure you..

Yours Sincerely,

One last thing there have been similar menu structures in old(er) issues of Hugi with a main menu as we have now pointing to other sections..

added on the 2008-11-04 18:13:08 by magic magic
i fucking hate hugi. you bunch of pussys. too bad i couldn't done more damage. btw. i messaged dipswitch that i was able to sneak that article to hugi which was quite funny, i don't believe that iq thing but i do fucking hate muslims. if you would use google you would find out article is almost cut/paste from another article and wikipedia :))))
added on the 2008-11-04 18:18:54 by uns3en_ uns3en_
and hugi sucks. you are fucking lamest magazine ever. just so you know and i fucking hate you magic :)
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 18:19:36 by uns3en_ uns3en_
Magic: bull-fucking-shit.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:20:12 by gloom gloom
and jori is right, i rolled on the floor laughing and my stomach hurt for laughing for falling into my trolltrap...
added on the 2008-11-04 18:22:14 by uns3en_ uns3en_
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sucks added on the 2008-11-04 18:25:16 by post malone post malone
You have to ditch Adok & Hugi if you want to be taken at all seriously, i think.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:31:25 by xeron xeron
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 18:32:19 by nosfe nosfe
i messaged dipswitch that i was able to sneak that article to hugi which was quite funny

What's funny about sabotaging a scene mag that lots of people have worked really hard to make?

Hugi isn't the perfect mag by any means, but I respect the staff and contributors for doing something productive towards the scene and giving talented musicians and artists a platform to release their work. The scene needs more of that.

If you don't like the mag, don't read it and just leave it be.

All this stalking, harrassment and generally destructive behaviour is something the scene could do without.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:38:05 by Wade Wade
stop being a hypocrite, wade.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:40:37 by Gargaj Gargaj
All this stalking, harrassment and generally destructive behaviour is something the scene could do without.

And yet they happily published articles from EP for god knows how long...
yes it was childlish :)
added on the 2008-11-04 18:45:12 by uns3en_ uns3en_
To all who've contributed to the mag: Seriously, what the heck made you think things would change? Once again Adok got what he wanted: Attention. It doesn't matter if they use EP to achieve that or racist crap. As soon as attention for Hugi drops, they roll this again in one form or another to get themselves remembered.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 18:48:45 by scamp scamp
stop being a hypocrite, wade.

I have never sabotaged a scene production, persecuted someone, promoted racist or tasteless views or anything of the like. Any mischief or practical jokes I've been involved in have always been harmless. So I miss your point.

And yet they happily published articles from EP for god knows how long...

Have you seen some of the disgusting stuff posted on Pouet? You don't see everyone witchhunting ps or other mods.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:49:50 by Wade Wade
As soon as attention for Hugi drops, they roll this again in one form or another to get themselves remembered.

Just like in the real world.
added on the 2008-11-04 18:50:54 by Wade Wade
wade, you missed my point. EP was someone actively practising "stalking, harrassment and generally destructive behaviour".
To be honest, I missed the whole EP saga so I'm not in any position to talk about that.

I guess I know that Adok and Magic aren't entirely innocent and they really shouldn't have released this article, but all this Hugi flaming has reached the extent that makes me genuinely uncomfortable. It's almost like playground bullying that can really mess people up and I've always felt like the scene should be a place where people can escape that kind of behaviour.
added on the 2008-11-04 19:02:56 by Wade Wade
A forum moderator does not actively choose to publish everything that's published. An editor does.
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 19:03:32 by jobe jobe
I like the first song a lot! But overall I'm perhaps getting too tired to even read diskmags so this Hugi didn't keep me interested very long. No thumb up or down.
added on the 2008-11-04 19:07:04 by dairos dairos
Wade, it is not true. When they would release a quality mag (it was getting better and better last issues) nobody would have reacted this way. But I personally found the article really disturbing and for me it was not possible to continue reading.

And the article was approved. Something like this cannot just accidentally be included. It had an icon, first item in the misc menu, etc. So I don't blame unseen, he is just a troll, but I blame the editor(s).
rulez added on the 2008-11-04 19:30:22 by of of
oh FUCK, I ment to thumb this DOWN!
added on the 2008-11-04 19:30:49 by of of
sucks added on the 2008-11-04 19:38:48 by relias abardon relias abardon
Oh yeah, and leaving the usual "don't support Adok/EP/Magic/Hugi"-stuff aside: Some pretty nice articles in this issue, especially liked the one from paniq.
added on the 2008-11-04 19:40:11 by scamp scamp
This whole situation got me into thinking that maybe EP is also fake, and someone is still playing with us ... Who could that be ?

Anyways unseen you're top notch faggot. Even when magic pointed you out they are still mostly responsible for that.

Magic: "'article about intelligence' ok I thought" - there was nothing about intelligence in the topic of this article ("We're not equal - An opinion "). YOU HAD TO SEE IT THEN.
added on the 2008-11-04 19:45:59 by bonzaj bonzaj
The Fairfax and RA interviews are obvious plus points here, although overall I wasn`t very keen on this issue. I didn`t find a lot which held my interest.

Design wise I prefered previous issues, however it`s interesting to see new ideas being used here. The standard RA skin suffered a lot from having a nasty background colour which is maybe feeding the bad taste left with the new layout.
added on the 2008-11-04 19:54:48 by darkus darkus
Wade: i generally agree with the fact that hugi has often received unfair opposition, but you can't ignore the same major mistake that has been repeated way too many times to be a forgivable honest mistake : the sad fact is that adok has been using his editor status to give an echo chamber to his nazi-like ideas.

it's a well-known fact that far-right activists use cultural niches to spread their filthy words, like in scifi, music, punk, metal... I used to participate in a french newsgroup about movies where we had to fight a 'faf' (little facist) who dumped his half-cryptic propaganda there.

i'm all for freedom of speech but a demoscene diskmag is different, you can't put to shame a whole mag with additions from valuable sources just because of your selfish egotism.
added on the 2008-11-04 20:05:14 by Zest Zest
he can, and he did.... again
added on the 2008-11-04 20:11:27 by keito keito
a certain brittney spears song is playing in my head now, nooooo! :)
added on the 2008-11-04 20:12:29 by keito keito
Although 3 of my articles were published (thanks Adok, and DiamonDie) I'd like to congratulate all the writers for the great articles I read, the nice visuals (always quality !) and the cool tunes.

I don't appreciate nazi-like, racist-like, elitist-like stuffs though.

added on the 2008-11-04 20:30:04 by SilkCut SilkCut
Again, this is not an issue of freedom of speech, since this is not an issue of censorship.

Exercising good judgement as an editor is not censorship.

Criticizing an editor - even harshly - for their repeated failure to exercise good judgement is not censorship.

Lambasting an article as retarded, when it clearly is, IS. NOT. CENSORSHIP.
added on the 2008-11-04 21:27:51 by jobe jobe
Magic, you simply can NOT point your finger at Unseen now. It's YOU guys, as the editorial team of Hugi, who have let the article IN. It's your job to have quality control. That is YOUR responsibility and your responsibility alone. And while you may not be responsible from a legal point of view (at least I'm guessing so), then at least you risk that your reputation goes downhill with such articles, just like the BBC can't allow an unresearched article to be published. Still, I'm aware this is "only" the scene, but if you lean yourself out of the window to reap the rewards for the good articles, you can't just close the window and say "oh no, the bad ones are out of our responsibility". There's no cherrypicking allowed.

But that case aside, there were some interesting reads indeed, although I thought the visuals were much better in Hugi 34. But I have to admit I was a bit shocked at the amount of stuff you've so identically copied from Zine. But it's flattering at the same time.

Above all though I feel sorry for all the people who contributed to the mag and whose work is now not respected due to the one article that causes all the bad comments. So, thumb down for the lack of responsibility, thumb up for the efforts by everyone else, resulting in piggy.
added on the 2008-11-04 22:34:34 by Axel Axel
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magic: i just spoke to Rokdazone. he said you suck hard and that you and Adok fail miserably at the art of "spandemera" :P

there's spandemera, and then there's down-right nasty gutter-press that brings you and your mag into disrepute.

Distance yourself from Adok, he's a loonatic.

added on the 2008-11-04 23:57:40 by button button
I enjoyed the party reports, a reasonable issue on the whole with a lot of work by many people. The thumb is for that.

*That* article, which set the flame guns alight, was a gnat-turd piece of writing, and should have been kicked out on quality control grounds before it got put in. I don't get the impression that this issue was *that* desperate for lack of articles?
rulez added on the 2008-11-05 00:07:20 by CiH CiH
For the Africans, looting, rape, nepotism, corruption, clan warfare, superstition and impulsive homicide are business as usual.

Go fuck yourself!
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 00:07:31 by Mystra Mystra
haven't read the mag yet, so i'm not going to give a rating, but i have read THAT article.

first of all, it looks like it was written by an 8 year old. terrible grammar, abysmal sentence structuring and a total lack of ability to convey any coherent thought. the first two issues could be forgiven considering the "author" is not a native speaker of the english language (most of us aren't here)... the third issue is indicative of the fact that the writer most likely isn't very intelligent himself. well that, or he really is 8, which i doubt.

about the content: regardless if one agrees with the "points" the author made in his article or not, i think we can all agree that this type of garbage should definitely not belong in the scene. ffs people want to get away from all this shitty separatism and other real world issues when they're doing scene related stuff, at least i do. it's so great to see people from various countries coming together at parties, dicking around with each other and enjoying demos and other geeky shit together. it's a cheesy sentiment, but if a revolting, vomit inducing piece of garbage like this article could find it's way into our extremely small society then this has to be said as well.

make no mistake it's extremely obvious that the only reason this article was published is to stir up controversy. see the way this works is you publish something obviously outrageous, people will fall for the bait and post about their outrage (kinda like i do now), you get a 170+ post thread, excellent advertisement and now everyone wants to read THAT article, and when they do, most likely they'll read the rest of the articles in the mag as well, now you got yourself a reader who if it wasn't for your shitty article would've never even known about your mag.

I blame myself for not paying attention to this article; 'article about intelligence' ok I thought..

this implies that you haven't even read the article that you ok'd. first of all, from a journalistic point of view this would be worse than doing what i described. but i don't think this was the case. i think you guys knew full well the impact this article will cause, why else would you have that disclaimer in place at the beginning?

i don't think i could ever bring myself to thumb down a diskmag, i think what you guys are doing is fantastic, but when you pull shit like this it makes it harder and harder to support you guys for your otherwise hard work.
added on the 2008-11-05 00:48:15 by miles64 miles64
Thumb up for A++ drama.
rulez added on the 2008-11-05 01:46:15 by Calexico Calexico
I fucking owned that shit!

Oh, and it's OBVIOUSLY a troll (Isn't 'dark/jasoft' unseen or smth?)


added on the 2008-11-05 01:53:51 by okkie okkie
Oh, and even though I feel kinda bad for magic, that whole 'is not our fault mesa, is fault of the bad man with the typewriter' is fucking bullshit.

But then again, Hugi has slipped up before and we always seem to forgive and forget.
added on the 2008-11-05 01:55:52 by okkie okkie
added on the 2008-11-05 02:02:06 by button button
btw, if this was some kind of orchestrated publicity stunt, it was quite genius.

"There is no such thing as bad publicity..." - Brendan Behan

but i think that's giving Adok and Co. more credit than they deserve. blithering idiots
added on the 2008-11-05 02:07:27 by button button
Cool kids bashing again the unpopular ones, great.. just great.
rulez added on the 2008-11-05 08:09:17 by Daddy Freddy Daddy Freddy
Yeah, let's not criticize anything or someone might feel bad :(

I'm not going to start baking apology cookies in the shape of hearts and swastikas just yet, if all you people can come up with is the same hokey schoolyard bullying analogy.
added on the 2008-11-05 08:37:23 by jobe jobe
it's incredible to note how someone like Adok masterly pinpoints a typo in other productions, and then lets a whole article slip by!
added on the 2008-11-05 08:47:10 by mop mop
ahaha well said mop :)
added on the 2008-11-05 08:50:17 by keito keito
First you publish your white overlord racist theories and then you CENSOR it when people get mad? Oh plz.
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 09:19:20 by kurli kurli
this fucking mag is a boil in the beautiful pink buttock of the demoscene
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 10:21:57 by visy visy
1/ Its completly unreadable. I'm being very serious
2/ adok
mop: I'm pretty sure Adok agrees with the article, actually.
added on the 2008-11-05 11:36:47 by okkie okkie
i think the point was that it just underlines the pettiness and hypocrisy of Adoks crap.
added on the 2008-11-05 11:54:34 by keito keito
just when you guys thought that this mags reputation went up a bit you made it all void by letting the trojan horse that is unssi in. congrats to him for actually fooling the guys behind hugi's great quality department. too bad the music and graphics got wasted that way again.
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 12:13:39 by dalezr dalezr
Hugi 35 - bringing Disruption & Chaos in the scene!
added on the 2008-11-05 12:19:42 by mop mop
what the fuck are you babbling about again?
you know, some random asshole back in some fucking stone age said something like
"i may not like what you're saying, but i'm ready to die for your right to express it"
well, fuck him, he's dead now and anyway i know YOU ALL MUST BURN! go and wear your death mask already

added on the 2008-11-05 14:36:06 by astu astu
I would want to thumb up unsiis stunt here but that action would contradict the cause so. Because pigface is lame..
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 14:55:05 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
No comments about my Diskmag Encyclopedia?
added on the 2008-11-05 17:10:12 by Adok Adok
Adok, you are a disgrace of a human being (there, my comment)
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 17:21:04 by Jcl Jcl
@Adok: That's all what you want to say? Great.
added on the 2008-11-05 17:31:56 by ham ham
added on the 2008-11-05 17:34:08 by panic panic
Haha, what'd you guys expect? An apology? From Adok? Ahehhahaha!
added on the 2008-11-05 17:38:37 by okkie okkie
okkie: actually I was commenting earlier (before Adok's comment) I could bet his next comment on pouet would be completely off-topic (off-the-current-topic, at least)... too bad noone took my bet :)
added on the 2008-11-05 17:40:41 by Jcl Jcl
Haha, what'd you guys expect? An apology? From Adok? Ahehhahaha!

@okkie: That would be completely unexpected. For sure. ;)
added on the 2008-11-05 17:53:42 by ham ham
Magic: If you ever want to make a decent/respected mag, you have to let go of the Adok & EP wankers and start from the beginning. Hugi is doomed for all future.
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 18:04:19 by evil evil
it's OK
rulez added on the 2008-11-05 19:57:11 by aha aha
thats quite extraordinary.. in 2 days this prod is already in top #3 of most thumbed down prods ever. #2 being chimera (unreasonably) and #1 winnerdemo.

But hey, at least there is no more "charts" and shit...
added on the 2008-11-05 21:31:12 by Navis Navis
that article is much better than chimera!
I liked the diskmag encyclopedia. It's a nice travel to the past with diskmag I never have read before and may check in the future. Though not very complete. Wilby is missing even if Fuzzby and Obtain are there.
added on the 2008-11-05 21:38:29 by Optimus Optimus
Wilby will come in part 2 (Hugi #36) as I wrote in the Foreword.
added on the 2008-11-05 21:46:07 by Adok Adok
will you also publish Mein Kampf in Hugi #36?
added on the 2008-11-05 21:55:17 by nosfe nosfe
Adok==Adolf ??...
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 22:01:50 by RRROAR RRROAR
Summary of the plot:
Rob: All was going fine... until I reached a certain article by dark/jasoft.

hmm getting interested
Magic: I now know Unseen is the author of this article, atleast thats what Adok told me..

Adok: No comments about my Diskmag Encyclopedia?


Where is the "Best direction of 2008" nominee button??
added on the 2008-11-05 22:20:18 by bonzaj bonzaj
Except a few articles... fix it next time.
rulez added on the 2008-11-05 22:23:44 by grz grz
actually pretty enjoyable from what i've read. shame about the controversy..
added on the 2008-11-05 22:54:16 by bfx bfx
so u planning in making Hugi #36 #1 thumbed down prod ?
added on the 2008-11-05 22:55:05 by panic panic
adding nazi shit is so 1933 ....
sucks added on the 2008-11-05 23:24:36 by aquaman aquaman
Diskmag Encyclopedia is just a filler. diskmags should write about demos not about diskmags!
added on the 2008-11-06 07:51:37 by mop mop
added on the 2008-11-06 08:41:16 by quisten quisten
Anyway, I like the interviews with Ra and Digimind, demo source code list, e-mags encyclopedia, party reports and some othe articles.
rulez added on the 2008-11-06 10:01:52 by Manwe Manwe

People keep confusing freedom of speech with blatant hate-mongering.

Everybody should be allowed to say whatever he/she wants,
BUT of course face the consequences of the words.
What goes around comes around.
added on the 2008-11-06 10:09:07 by d0DgE d0DgE
dodge: People keep clinging to 'freedom of speech' to spew whatever retarded shit is on their minds. I think we could make exceptions to the rule just for that, but that is quite an ethical debate, better held in person with beer :)

Oh, and the best thing we could do to prevent this is never contribute to Hugi or download one ever again and just let the problem go away. But that's never gonna happen, because we all just love ourselves some drama :D
added on the 2008-11-06 11:26:18 by okkie okkie
Actually, scratch that, magic said it best in the Hugi #29 prod-thread.

respect their oppinion and the free speach

lol :D
added on the 2008-11-06 11:33:10 by okkie okkie
- some frequency problems with dual head
- article pics in a bad resolution
- racist article
sucks added on the 2008-11-06 11:44:10 by dq dq
some good articles,good artwork and fitting music...i dont need more in a diskmag nowadays! (eventho you shouldn´t have tried to convert it into zine designwise!)
so much for the thumb!

but lemme tell you if i have to read such stupidity again in any upcoming Issue i´ll completely ignore HUGI forever.BASS.
rulez added on the 2008-11-06 13:02:11 by ɧ4ɾɗվ. ɧ4ɾɗվ.
Boring interface, graphics(some) and music... What a BORING Editorial: and what a waste of time to read! does it make the rest any better? I wonder. I read some of the interviews which where interesting enough. I haven't read the nazi-article (I wonder if its still in the release) but whatever.. The thumb down is for the whole experience.
sucks added on the 2008-11-06 13:12:11 by rudi rudi
added on the 2008-11-06 17:29:18 by chock chock
wishlist: more tracks! even if the music is always nice in hugi! but i caught myself the second time switching to some i-net-radio after listening to the few tracks way too often already...kinda destroys those tracks...and its not coz i´m reading too slow ;)

magic: dont let you get down,but if sth like that happens again,do your own thing! i guess chris dragans engine would be there for you then! or just write for some different mag? dunno! lets give it a (really) last chance i´d say!
that were my thoughts after having read/commented earlier,but i didnt post it! (still trying to overcome my own faults made,haha!)

i´m still only 90% through but i´d still give a thumb! (just dont try to be zine as said...do your own thing/evolve own ideas,i know its hard!)

so,have fun with the next issue!

thE cOcK is leaving the buildinG!

didn't read. won't support nazi shit by dl or looking at it.
sucks added on the 2008-11-07 06:10:02 by shiva shiva
describing my feelings for this diskmag is too much even for pouet
sucks added on the 2008-11-07 11:59:30 by Captain Zed Yago Captain Zed Yago
the diskmag that showed the world how finns really are...
rulez added on the 2008-11-07 17:23:51 by nystep nystep
it's revised version is a good diskmag. I love the ambient breakbeatish track, some fairly interresting articles here and there. not bad at all. That article was poor taste and judgement on behalf of the chief editor.
added on the 2008-11-07 18:34:06 by NoahR NoahR
I leave the words to diskmag writers ;)
rulez added on the 2008-11-08 00:13:27 by titus^rab titus^rab
Thanks for the article link, paniq. I feel sorry for those who produced nice art and well written articles for this mag.

It's unfortunate that the UI looks like my university lecturer's powerpoint slides and an editorial oversight resulted in the dissemination of racial hatred. Shit happens.

I hope Hugi36 will have an editor who cares about the articles published in the mag.
sucks added on the 2008-11-08 02:03:39 by Claw Claw
Nystep, yeah, I hate Finns too, they're all so prejudiced.
added on the 2008-11-08 02:40:04 by jobe jobe
nazi schiesse
sucks added on the 2008-11-08 03:53:17 by pera pera
i don't know if the internet makes 1984-style history editing simpler or more difficult. i don't like it.

then i don't like that article either, and i prefer a "presentable" demoscene, one that i don't need to be ashamed of.

i oppose any form of censorship. but if you have an article that makes so many statements that can be easily proven wrong, and that article seeds hatred, then printing it is irresponsible.
added on the 2008-11-08 14:54:15 by chaos chaos
I hope Hugi36 will have an editor who cares about the articles published in the mag.

I hope everybody just ignores the fuck out of Hugi 36 and the problem just might go away.

(Ah, who am I kidding! Bashing Hugi is way too much fun! Bring on 36 and we can grind the shit out of it! ^_^)
added on the 2008-11-08 14:59:39 by okkie okkie
Minus that completely racist out-of-place-for-a-demoscene-mag article, I thought Hugi #35 was okay. Not great, not mind-blowing Imphobia-class fantastic, but okay. Some of the articles are worth reading.

I don't get hung up on the interface unless it gets in my way, so I didn't find the interface all that big a deal. It's the content I care about.
sucks added on the 2008-11-09 01:12:58 by trixter trixter
After all those discussions here on pouet it's indeed unbelievable that specifically after a well received hugi#34 we're back again with another article about white-power-ideology, be it a trap or not.
This can only be the result of carelessness or stupidity on the editor's side, utter determination to allow such garbage or inability to learn from the past. Sadly, as with many other things one real issue can destroy the rest.
In my opinion Adok would now be well recommended to properly react to those 68 thumb downs and countless negative comments - here's mine.
sucks added on the 2008-11-09 16:20:15 by Paralax Paralax
magic is as much responsible as adok for all this shit

magic, leave hugi or get the fucking out
Granted, there have been better Hugi issues in the past, but there are still enough good articles to entertain me for an evening, and the more experimental layout and the music is really fine.
If you blame Hugi for what it is when you´re just stupid - you get what you´ve expected anyway, given the (non-)support provided by its audience.
Bitching about an article which is obviously troll food (as we see here, it worked remarkably well) is also hypocritic: Despite the fact that it was copy-faked, it still expresses pretty well what a major part of the european inhabitants think (though most of them might deny it due to P.C.) , thus it would even make more sense to beat up random people on the street instead of bashing a diskmag which continues trying to keep up its spirit for over a whole decade - the success rate would be higher anyway.
Hooray internet, hooray 2008...
rulez added on the 2008-11-09 22:44:56 by T$ T$
for removing the racist article, hugi is all in all ok but after the troubles from the past its strongly recommended to think next time about the articles and the thematics...
rulez added on the 2008-11-09 23:12:44 by AMItac_TSA AMItac_TSA

Despite the fact that it was copy-faked, it still expresses pretty well what a major part of the european inhabitants think (though most of them might deny it due to P.C.)

W. T. F. ?!
added on the 2008-11-09 23:23:00 by xeron xeron
Hmm.. i thought you said majority, but you said major part. But still, your point is basically "some people agree with this [fucking retarted] article, so therefore you can't criticise a magazine or its editor for publishing it (and thereby tacitly endorsing it).
added on the 2008-11-09 23:25:26 by xeron xeron
ok, except that article.
rulez added on the 2008-11-10 00:20:36 by martin martin
Thumb down for the lack of intelligence.
sucks added on the 2008-11-10 12:50:16 by micdune micdune
This should really serve as a warning to Magic and all contributors. People who write for Hugi, WTF are you thinking you are supporting?
sucks added on the 2008-11-11 02:58:13 by eye eye
I regret that I was so careless and let the article about IQ differences between races slip into the first version of Hugi #35 that was released. I'm terribly sorry and want to apologize to everybody whose feelings have been hurt due to this.
added on the 2008-11-11 19:15:19 by Adok Adok
lol, that must have really hurt. 1/4 of a thumb for showing a glimmer of humanity.
added on the 2008-11-11 19:25:24 by button button
"careless", "slip", ... why don't i believe you ?
sucks added on the 2008-11-11 20:01:06 by Zest Zest
I regret that I was so careless and let the article about IQ differences between races slip into the first version of Hugi #35 that was released. I'm terribly sorry and want to apologize to everybody whose feelings have been hurt due to this.

hey, that's a start :)
added on the 2008-11-11 20:21:02 by iq iq
alright.. so if people have to complain about adok NOT GIVING AN APOLOGY for DAYS AND DAYS, i really start questioning the SINCERITY of adok's apology here.. i guess his lackluster behavior straight after the incident and not anticipating directly says a helluva lot more what a turd he is.. it's not the apology we care about adok, it's your neverending whoopsydaisies that's the problem.. you just dont learn from your mistakes.
The article has been removed, Adok's statement is clear-cut, that's a start indeed :)
added on the 2008-11-11 20:41:44 by Paralax Paralax
Maali: At least he is apologizing. That's a good move. Better late than never.
added on the 2008-11-11 20:45:37 by ham ham
yes mayhaps it shows he does seem to have some cognitive capabilities to know how to respond in a self-inflicted crisis situation. Aside from the fact it took him days to grasp it :P
Motivational thumb up for the next Hugi. I haven't read the article that was removed, apart from that I think #35 was fine actually (I've only read a couple of articles though).

If #36 is a fresh start again then I hope people won't judge that one based on past f*ckups.
rulez added on the 2008-11-11 21:04:00 by ravity ravity
i wasnt even going to comment on this diskmag, but apologising a week later, while u were jerking off to your succes (heh 700+ downloads afteral huh?) in other threads, pfff lol
u must have ran out of tissues
sucks added on the 2008-11-11 21:49:31 by s0r s0r
What s0r said. Too little too late.
sucks added on the 2008-11-11 21:52:49 by parcelshit parcelshit
I regret that I was so careless and let the article about IQ differences between races slip into the first version of Hugi #35 that was released. I'm terribly sorry and want to apologize to everybody whose feelings have been hurt due to this.

An apology which actually states what everyone has been saying. The only thing I can read from that is that he belives that the article is correct and he's sorry that everybody else doesn't agree.
The first sentence states that the article just is showing us the differences between human races and their IQ. He's not apologizing for the contens of it but for the outrage it created.
All I know is that I have meet idiots from all corners of world with a lot of different colors on their skins.

This apology is not directed to people that has been hurt by the content of the artice ( since Adok seams to belive that it is true ), it's been directed to people that are hurt by "the truth" in it.. As long as people are stupid fucks like this, regardless of skin color, culture and nationality, people will never understand each other
added on the 2008-11-11 22:44:22 by ekoli ekoli
xeron: I´ve never claimed that mass opinion is a proper indicator for determining quality, and I won´t do that now or in the future either. This applies to the article in question as well as the overall reaction caused by it.

From an abstract point of view: The mag is primarily downvoted due to a single crappy text somewhere in the misc section which formed about 1% of the entire content while there are hardly any comments on the rest of the mag.
Even if we take the numerous trolls into account which need to bash hugi or Adok in order to compensate their inferiority comlex which still gives a good impression about what "freedom of speech" actually means today.
added on the 2008-11-11 22:44:29 by T$ T$
This is not a freedom of speech issue. Freedom of speech means that anyone is free to say what they think.

This does not give everyone an undeniable right to have their opinion published in someone elses magazine.

It does, however, grant everyone the right to voice their opinion on that magazine.
added on the 2008-11-11 23:04:03 by xeron xeron
I regret that I was so careless and let the article about IQ differences between races slip into the first version of Hugi #35 that was released. I'm terribly sorry and want to apologize to everybody whose feelings have been hurt due to this.
Yeah right. Wovon träumst du eigentlich nachts? Magic: leave HUGI. You are wasting your passion.
sucks added on the 2008-11-11 23:41:45 by SiR SiR
TS: People are free to say what they like, as far as I'm concerned - just not to me. You can say what you like but if you have any intelligence (as Adok claims he does) then you should pick you audience wisely.

In this case Adok, or his friend, picked the wrong audience and most people on the scene are simply giving their own opinion. Which is generally: "STFU", "GTFO - you damn retard". Which basically translates to "take your bullshit elsewhere as the scene is not the place for such trash and we don't want to hear it or be associated with it!" Nobody is claiming he does not have a right to his opinions, but the scene is a community of sorts and so you should show a certain degree of respect for it general concensus - especially when it comes to such extreme topics.

I mean, it's not as if there are no other avenues open for these people. Places like stormfront.org welcome these characters with open arms.
added on the 2008-11-11 23:42:28 by button button
I wonder how it`s like to be gay in the this community....DOUBLE STANDARD FOOOOOOLS......

U are all acting pathetic
added on the 2008-11-11 23:53:59 by Zplex Zplex
thumb-up for the comments ;-)
i couldn't stop laughing...
rulez added on the 2008-11-12 00:00:12 by peach peach
ekoli: I don't share the opinions presented in the article.
added on the 2008-11-12 17:32:16 by Adok Adok
We don't need any more people from third world countries to lower the IQ of our European societies.

This guy is really sick... Other articles are very interesting. So pity for other contributors...

And a personal message for dark/jasoft:
die, fascist!
sucks added on the 2008-11-12 18:13:11 by #535 #535
sucks added on the 2008-11-12 18:57:22 by Ized Ized
I didn't read that article.

Track 1 rocks. nice gfx. lots of text. works in wine.
rulez added on the 2008-11-12 23:03:26 by neoneye neoneye
This does not give everyone an undeniable right to have their opinion published in someone elses magazine.

Yep, but this is the editor's decision.
added on the 2008-11-26 21:43:42 by Optimus Optimus

Yep, but this is the editor's decision.

Which is precisely why the content of a magazine reflects the magazine as a whole.
added on the 2008-12-08 13:45:12 by xeron xeron
all in all...
rulez added on the 2008-12-09 20:22:06 by KHRoN KHRoN
top notch drama

too bad it got released under "scene for dummies" label, you know. all these "join the scene" articles and BAH nazi shit.

and just to be clear: unseen != me

rulez added on the 2008-12-14 16:16:32 by sh sh
What a splendid startup with nerve tingling music by Jogeir, and a truly excellent interface. Thumbs up guys, keep on rollin'!
rulez added on the 2009-01-03 03:24:33 by Motion Motion
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sucks added on the 2009-01-17 13:59:39 by Joghurt Joghurt
did only i thought after reading that certain article that it's completely fake? no arguments (negros are criminals and osamas are terrorists - even a 4th grade could write something more constructive), focusing only on blacks and muslims, suprisingly short (i think that the real racetard could wrote 50kbytes of text and not get enough) and what many people pointed before - it get through selection. imho that whole article was intended to make as much noise as possible around new release.
still, i don't give a shit about that adok = gut deutschkind stuff. try to have more distance to life (and possible morons), people. life will get easier.
added on the 2009-01-20 15:27:16 by wrthlss wrthlss
even a 4th grade could write something more constructive

You pretty much summed up Hugi right there.
added on the 2009-01-20 15:51:43 by gloom gloom
That article was horrid...

Anyway, voted for OK for the interface and the rest.
added on the 2009-03-22 17:03:40 by SoDa7 SoDa7
Ok... I'm sorry for the people that worked there but...
sucks added on the 2009-04-14 19:18:16 by SoDa7 SoDa7
excellent mag.

i don't give a fuck about politically correct crowd here. it's demoscene after all, you can't bash an awesome prod for just one article.
added on the 2009-05-15 23:26:29 by SubV242 SubV242
forgot a thumb up.
rulez added on the 2009-05-15 23:26:54 by SubV242 SubV242
you should rename Hugi to Sarrazine
sucks added on the 2010-09-10 15:19:49 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
I've read the whole thread now I want the article!!! Please contact me if you've got it!
added on the 2013-08-26 15:59:34 by too_many too_many
i can only imagine what it's about...
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