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Ok everybody. Here it is.. Hard work and passion! Enjoy!

Most important headlines are:

- Andromeda Software Developement: 2014 and beyond. Navis speaks out!
- Orbiting the Scene: Hugi has an audience with Ziphoid about SceneSat
- Partyzone: Reporting from all over Europe! 15 Party reports included!
- Making of: Winning Revision 2014 PC demo 'Observatory' and the
winning Datastorm 2014 commodore 64 demo 'We Are All Connected'
- Lord Helmet about RAW. Quarrel with Andromeda settled after 20 years?
Hydra reacts!
- Report: Hugi went Backstage to give some insights on Still, Censor Design
and Horology!
- A sneak peek (including screenshot!) on the forthcoming demos by ASD
and Cocoon.
- Demozoo, the new demoscene database! Backstage with Gasman and
Menace.
- Interviews: Hugi went one on one with, among others, Jeroen Tel of
Maniacs of Noise, Paradroid of Lemon., Pal of Offence and Prince of the
Obsessed Maniacs.
- Approximate: The making of Gaia Machina. In-depth article about the
party and final version!
- Shadertoy: IQ of RGBA explains what Shadertoy is all about.
added on the 2014-06-10 14:00:55 by magic magic
Cute magazine! Nice articles, especially the making ofs. the music kicks me directly back into the "scene mood". I like the more ambientish ones by traymuss or chaser. Also, here we got a nice combination of graphics (forcer, prince, slayer - guys, wow!)

The only thing which is a little bit buggy, is the mouse scrolling in long articles with many graphics. It's stucking from time to time!

All in all, good work! Keep it up, there are not many scene diskmags left.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 15:19:59 by neoman neoman
Hugi is always a great read. Keep the great work up!
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 15:37:53 by cngsoft cngsoft
I know it's always popular to beat Adok and Magic on Pouet, but if this isn't a quality diskmag, then nothing is. The tech is really outdated, but the music takes me back to when I was a kid and there are many truly interesting articles (I would love to read more of those making of-articles).
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 15:45:31 by Preacher Preacher
It's very well made on many levels. Some typos, but no other problem. It is a pleasure to read the making ofs and Optimus' drivel :-)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 16:07:23 by Navis Navis
So far so good, read some interviews and party reports, and as said the making of's are always interesting, good background music too, as well as exceptional graphics, thumb up :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 16:09:37 by keito keito
musc and gfx are top!
the articles itself are sometimes a bit painful to read and lack some professional writing-style here and there, but its still a good read with many interesting people!
thanks for putting in so much work.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 16:44:39 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
Very nice artwork indeed, and well-written articles. Oh and very nice music!
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 16:47:53 by fizzer fizzer
Amazing work!!!

One wish ... make the next Hugi #39 :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 17:07:09 by amiga4ever amiga4ever
the brightness in the lower-right of the background while reading is a bit too bright imho. but that's a minor complaint, rest for once seems actually quite decent so far if you look thru the somewhat fanboyism here and there, i particularly like making ofs. so no need to get mr Godwin into this yet!
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 17:39:12 by Pablo Escrollbar Pablo Escrollbar
Nice graphics, lots of different tunes and interesting articles as well so nothing to complain about.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 17:46:00 by StingRay StingRay
I remember reading Hugi when i first got involved in the scene and almost obsessively read every issue coming out multiple times. Even though the golden age of diskmags might lay behind us, for me, they still fill an important role as in preserving demoscene history in a way that would be hard with any other medium. I hope you all keep up the good work for the rest us lazy bastards! Lovely music, awesome artwork and great articles! Well done!
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 18:39:01 by velo velo
Is it possible for you to share the musics for download ?

They are great!
a pleasure to see this
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 18:56:07 by radman1 radman1
very enjoyable :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 20:35:31 by spiny spiny
what they said :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 21:13:25 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Awesome music & graphics. Some interesting articles too.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 21:28:38 by ham ham
yeah, finally :) applause for a very good piece of work.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 22:23:41 by slayer slayer
superb!! thnk for the work!
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 22:27:43 by sINk sINk
Excellent! :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 23:48:19 by xrs xrs
Is there a chance to get the articles as pdf or plain text? No PC here.
rulez added on the 2014-06-10 23:50:40 by gaspode gaspode
Gaspode: online version is in the making. (but wont be the same experience as the .exe) If you have a mac, it should work under a program called Wine.
added on the 2014-06-10 23:56:05 by magic magic
Wow, great issue. Awesome graphics and music, some articles I really want to read.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 00:04:26 by Optimus Optimus
Really great issue with nice music and graphics, i'm also glad i could be a part of it.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 06:51:40 by Wiklund Wiklund
Most of the articles weren't that interesting to me, but huge thumbs up for the music.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 07:15:06 by britelite britelite
Haven't had the time to dive into the articles yet, but rulez for the effort!
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 07:51:00 by unlock unlock
Great !
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 08:11:43 by stf stf
Exactly what Preacher said. I would've liked to see more actual content in such a large package, and the design and text layout could use much improvement. That said, there were some quite interesting articles and fine music = definite thumb up.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 09:07:47 by break break
Awesome!! Great work Hugi editors and contributors! Glad to be part of it :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 09:56:22 by NokoNoko NokoNoko
nice issue, but why so slow engine, hmm?
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 11:01:13 by comankh comankh
Yep, I noticed the jumping scrolling too, in my I7. Which is strange because the engine must be the same and I don't remember this problem in previous issues. A bug?
added on the 2014-06-11 11:12:48 by Optimus Optimus
The text counts. Massive Prod!
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 11:48:25 by cryer cryer
Not saying anything about my own contribution, but a massive effort all round.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 19:11:34 by CiH CiH
nothing less than a thumb up.
rulez added on the 2014-06-11 19:35:54 by CONS CONS
ok, i'm nearly through the mag's content. the enthusiasm displayed in this thread shows, in my opinion, the fact that the scene has gone quite hungry without a single pc diskmag issue in years... i wonder what would happen if zine would come back!..

as for this hugi issue: it's not as overwhelming as the above comments make it appear, and particularly the interviews done by magic are, unfortunately, rather generic and pale. one has the feeling that the interviewer doesn't really care about what the interviewed are saying, and instead of engaging in a dialogue with them, he just pounds them with question after question in no particular order.

still, there is some pretty interesting content, and the news section was particularly good, carrying some really fresh and interesting news. and the graphics are marvellous (can't say anything about the music 'cause i didn't have a chance to listen to it yet). in any case, thumbs up.

however, i have to say a few words about adok's epilogue. sure, adok, it's your mag, and you can be proud of yourself for having kept it up for 18 years - hardly any other diskmag editor can claim such a thing. but still, the whole "if you have written for hugi, your grandchildren will be proud of you"-thing, without the slightest touch of irony, is quite preposterous, isn't it? if you honestly think like that, you both overestimate the role of hugi in scene history and the role of the scene in society. our grandchildren will most likely not give a damn. to assume otherwise is ridiculous.

but what is more important, and in fact makes me quite bitter: while giving such a seemingly self-critical rundown of hugi history, including the unseen afair -- why keep silent about the EP affair? publishing a maniac who, over an article polemic, issued death threats to fellow sceners, subscribed fellow diskmag editors to hundreds of spam lists, sent letters of denounciation to the university hosting scene.org, and in fact still stalks some of the people involved after nine (!!!) years -- that's hugi history too, whether you like it or not. you gave the guy a platform long after his attacks against me and fellow pain editors became unacceptable and below-the-belt. and the fact that you, in your glossy success story, failed to critically reflect on that event that made being scener a pain in the ass for me for several years, is extremely disappointing.
rulez added on the 2014-06-12 04:04:08 by dipswitch dipswitch
one really positive thing to be mentioned, however, are the well-written and informative party reports. and really fresh, too - respect for squeezing an outline report in while the party was just two weeks ago!
added on the 2014-06-12 04:13:00 by dipswitch dipswitch
Hugi
rulez added on the 2014-06-12 04:55:47 by BiTL BiTL
for the gfx, music and behind the scenes articles. looking forward to #39 on Android?
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however, i have to say a few words about adok's epilogue. sure, adok, it's your mag, and you can be proud of yourself for having kept it up for 18 years - hardly any other diskmag editor can claim such a thing. but still, the whole "if you have written for hugi, your grandchildren will be proud of you"-thing, without the slightest touch of irony, is quite preposterous, isn't it? if you honestly think like that, you both overestimate the role of hugi in scene history and the role of the scene in society. our grandchildren will most likely not give a damn. to assume otherwise is ridiculous.
For me personally Hugi is still the greatest thing I have ever done. After all there are thousands of medical doctors in Austria alone, but there is only one Hugi editor... and I have not accomplished anything worth a Nobel Prize yet (but we are working on it).

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but what is more important, and in fact makes me quite bitter: while giving such a seemingly self-critical rundown of hugi history, including the unseen afair -- why keep silent about the EP affair? publishing a maniac who, over an article polemic, issued death threats to fellow sceners, subscribed fellow diskmag editors to hundreds of spam lists, sent letters of denounciation to the university hosting scene.org, and in fact still stalks some of the people involved after nine (!!!) years -- that's hugi history too, whether you like it or not. you gave the guy a platform long after his attacks against me and fellow pain editors became unacceptable and below-the-belt. and the fact that you, in your glossy success story, failed to critically reflect on that event that made being scener a pain in the ass for me for several years, is extremely disappointing.
If EP is still stalking you in 2014, that's bitter indeed. I was not aware that it would develop this way. Why I wrote about the Unseen affair and not about EP is because the Unseen affair was definitely the greater damage to Hugi's image. The Unseen affair is even mentioned in the Wikipedia page about Hugi while EP is not. EP may have expressed controversial and partially unfounded views about demos and the demoscene, but he has not expressed any extremist political views. Since I have never met EP in person I do not know what he is like and whether such "death threats" are really to be taken seriously. I can only tell you that if you take a "death threat" seriously, you are free to take the consequence and call the police.

In any case, dipswitch, I am happy that you have given Hugi #38 a positive rating. I agree that the style of the interviews has potential for improvement and I promise we will work on that. I am also happy that you enjoyed the news section; I enjoyed editing it very much (as well as adding some news items collected by Magic in the last minute). Thank you!
added on the 2014-06-12 06:07:10 by Adok Adok
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and particularly the interviews done by magic are, unfortunately, rather generic and pale.


This has always been the case with any interviews done by Magic and probably won't ever change! However, they aren't THAT bad this time, there is some improvement compared to his older interviews.
added on the 2014-06-12 08:11:59 by StingRay StingRay
Looking beside my own contributions for Hugi#38, I find the articles, songs and graphic great. But most important; It feels fresh! Even when the article is about something that happened a year ago, it doesn't feel that outdated to me. And most of the articles bare clear traces of being newly written with recent news or happenings, which is very positive in my view.

About interviews:
Interviews done by sending a full set of questions in advance rarely provide anything more interesting read afterwards than what the editor later makes out of the response. If the interviewer and subject holds a live interview sessions, the content tend to improve and is why most TV-stations and newspaper do it that way. I believe that is the best key factor for success in interviews.

Lastly, thanks for accepting my contributions in terms of C64 scene chatter and party reports. And the opening song. Magic, a deadline is never a deadline, - just a wage estimate. Right? ;)
rulez added on the 2014-06-12 09:41:03 by Magnar Magnar
Huge mag, thumbs to that - although I would wish for a lot more releases with fewer articles - music is great and fits for reading.

Haven't read that many of the articles, a lot of them doesn't interest me, but the ones I have read have a rather questionable setup when it comes to readability. For example the Revision14 report:
You have a few lines of text, then a quite large image, and then again some lines of text. It would have been a lot better you had all images next to each other on top or bottom. This would have made it a lot easier on the eyes and more pleasing to read. Especially when the images shown had nothing to do with the text on top and beneath in each column.

This really should be looked into - it continuesly interrupt your reading and it caused me to skip several chapters because of the interference.

(It's just an advice, but hopefully I do know a bit about it, having worked on newspaper layout for 8+ years, something better be stuck in my head after that)
rulez added on the 2014-06-12 12:18:59 by dwarf dwarf
I think I've never seen a Hugi issue this focused on the meat of the demoscene. Not even a single "How dead is the scene this time" filler article. Impressive, really. I kind of miss the tutorial section(s) though, but I guess the web is a better place for that. And that the music's off by default(?) is a bit weird too.
added on the 2014-06-12 12:28:57 by tomaes tomaes
Music was on by default here ; are the tracks avalaible somewhere?

Great stuff!
rulez added on the 2014-06-12 14:03:22 by wullon wullon
What a shame, that this is only Windows - got at Mac and would love to read it... Looks nice though...! :-)
Sehr schön =) weitermachen !
rulez added on the 2014-06-13 13:08:09 by AMI_TRS AMI_TRS
Fantastic music, especially "Late Drive" von Mantronix. Thumb up.
rulez added on the 2014-06-13 16:15:14 by vscd vscd
A new publication, always perfect, the music is good, amazing graphics, Everything is good in this new issue .... See you soon ;)
rulez added on the 2014-06-14 11:20:10 by Thunder_SCX Thunder_SCX
I'm still a bit puzzled about the whole disk-mag thing in times of HTML5.

But the articles were nice to read, esp. the Navis and Cocoon interviews. And it's always nice to see when people invest so much effort into supporting the scene.

It would be great to get more serious interviews from sceners. Some of them, I only know drunk so the discussion tend to be a bit... well... <insert word here>. I would love to have a sort of podcast-interview series with structured interviews between of 30min or more. In German, my favorite show is "Chaos Radios Express". It might not be the most ideal format for all, but so are windows executable.
rulez added on the 2014-06-14 12:46:01 by pixtur pixtur
yeach:)
scene rulez:)
rulez added on the 2014-06-14 21:38:49 by Traymuss Traymuss
Interesting stuff.
rulez added on the 2014-06-14 23:21:38 by Daddy Freddy Daddy Freddy
Thumbs for effort, nice design, awesome music and some interesting articles....but 130+ MB? Wtf, that are about 140-150 Floppies. Back in the days the same content (concerning articles) came up in about 1-2 disks ;)

Anyway, thumbs up and let them come :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 01:12:02 by Triace Triace
This is an excellent release of that rare beastie, a diskmag ! Yes it's on PC but at least it is something :)

I haven't quite read all of the articles yet but those which I have read have been informative and well written. The shell is as good as ever too and works well on my old Vaio laptop, which is a help :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 01:19:30 by Felice Felice
Great music, interesting articles and nice presentation, although I agree with Pixtur regarding the anachronistic format.

My only complaint is Magic's sometimes sensationalist writing style at the "interviews" trying to hide the fact that they are more questionnaires than real interactive interviews, sometimes mimicking bad newspapers ("confronted with this, Navis said...").

But apart from that, great read!
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 06:29:50 by Kylearan Kylearan
Greats tunes and some interesting articles. Has some me in it too, so it must be good :P
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 09:14:00 by Paradroid Paradroid
Nice Music and graphics. I think the reader software needs an upgrade so that it works better with higher screen resolutions, allowing better formatting of the articles and higher res screenshots.
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 14:58:06 by GRX GRX
nice
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 19:13:07 by spritus spritus
Discmag with online version, cool!
rulez added on the 2014-06-15 22:49:10 by baah baah
Online version is up! See link above.

MAC users, Hugi works on MAC with à programme called Wine.

Amiga os4 port Will be released in near future.

We are currently collecting all feedback to look at the possibilities for next issue. Cheers!
added on the 2014-06-16 00:11:31 by magic magic
All kind of awesome ! Particularly in love with the music by Wiklund and Mantronix. Cheers !
rulez added on the 2014-06-16 22:00:11 by ultrasyd ultrasyd
So much love. Proper oldskool feelings reading this, especially the content from Paradroid (with short hair), Fairlight history and so on. MORE PLEASE.
rulez added on the 2014-06-17 00:06:54 by Mtl Mtl
Good to read the interviews!!! The demoscene need the charts back!!
rulez added on the 2014-06-17 12:40:19 by reload reload
After finishing reading, I have to add that despite my disappointment with Adok's postface, and the flaws in Magic's interview style like already pointed out by me and others, this is really a fine piece of a scene diskmag. Never thought I'd say that about a Hugi issue. I pull my hat and reemphasize my thumb. What we need now is some proper competition, and if I would be 10 years younger with more time on my hands, I'd have loved to restart PAiN over this.
added on the 2014-06-17 13:41:16 by dipswitch dipswitch
Amazing amount of work here.
I really enjoyed the story behind the andromeda's raytrace scroller.
rulez added on the 2014-06-17 21:48:42 by nytrik nytrik
Yes.
rulez added on the 2014-06-18 15:44:19 by chromag chromag
effort.
rulez added on the 2014-06-18 18:29:08 by Peak Peak
it was cool to participate in this new edition. And a lot of interesting things to read!
rulez added on the 2014-06-19 23:22:35 by ntsc_ ntsc_
I am very proud to have been a part of the content in this mag. I must say that I am overwhelmed by the amount of content and to the ones thinking there is better ways of making it great, try to contribute. It is such a massive release that I can just take my hat off. Fantastic that the demoscene has an institution like HUGI - I mean this is a huge magazine and greatly delivered. Proud to have been a part of it. Thanx to Magicnah Nahkolor for beeing so cool and nice!
rulez added on the 2014-06-19 23:25:12 by PAL PAL
Nothing really interesting for me in this issue, but definitely not the worst hugi issue ever.

I really miss proper coding articles from the guys who really know their stuff
(e.g. instead of the gentle shadertoy advertisement - I would have seriously preferred an proper article on some cool techniques by IQ, additionally also the horology guys have for sure some nice tech they could talk about a bit more in depth).

Btw. all linked shadertoy shaders in the online issue forward to
https://www.shadertoy.com/error - maybe you should fix that.

Oh and please don't go "well, than YOU should write an article for hugi!" - I don't have time for that and if I would have the time, I would prefer the virtually non existing opposition after the things that happened over the years.

Here is your thumb.
rulez added on the 2014-06-20 14:00:35 by las las
Very good, thx a lot !
rulez added on the 2014-06-20 15:51:22 by Cyg_BLaBla Cyg_BLaBla
NIce. :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-21 13:32:24 by AntDude AntDude
Interesting articles but the layout sucks. The executable is hard to navigate and the online version is pretty tiresome to read with its design from 1995. If you'd for example steal some simple layout, the online version would already be much better.
rulez added on the 2014-06-22 14:35:55 by cce cce
nice.
rulez added on the 2014-06-24 00:43:08 by iks iks
Great articles and interviews. Awesome read. Good job!
rulez added on the 2014-06-24 18:30:48 by hedning hedning
I've been reading this for the last few evenings and I'm really enjoying it. Thanks very much for putting it together (both creators and contributors alike). The 'making-of' articles are always a big favourite for me, and this issue doesn't disappoint.

On the subject of interviewers, it may help to have someone with a fair bit of background/domain knowledge for some of them. Perhaps an option for people to nominate particular interviewers for specific subjects, or even per interview would be worth considering. Reader submitted questions would also be great (with the ability to vote for your favourites). Anyway, not a criticism really, just a thought. Looking forward to reading some more HUGI tonight!
rulez added on the 2014-06-24 19:03:44 by raizor raizor
Great!!
rulez added on the 2014-06-25 13:44:05 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
Great! I know I shouldn't ask this, but I love the music: is there any way to get the music files?
rulez added on the 2014-06-26 14:17:23 by highlife highlife
Possibly the finest Hug issue I've read - it did a decent job of keeping me occupied for the better part of an evening. As pointed out by others, improvements should be made to the layout and UI (unchanged for several years now and it shows), and the quality of the interviews (superficial).

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I'm still a bit puzzled about the whole disk-mag thing in times of HTML5.

While I can see that point (especially on PC), the diskmag is a long-standing tradition in our scene, and there's nothing wrong with preserving it :)

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respect for squeezing an outline report in while the party was just two weeks ago!

Props to CiH for that, but IIRC I read the exact same text on Facebook just after the party (before the mag was released) :)
rulez added on the 2014-06-29 02:10:09 by Alpha C Alpha C
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Props to CiH for that, but IIRC I read the exact same text on Facebook just after the party (before the mag was released) :)


Indeed it was :-) It was included for the benefit of the non Facebookers out there.

I wrote that up in one go, in a spare hour or so. My Revision report was a lot more tidied up and polished.
added on the 2014-06-30 22:32:03 by CiH CiH
CiH i also liked your Sundown/rise reports! Thanks again for your help!
added on the 2014-06-30 22:41:42 by magic magic
Well done. I'm glad it automatically plays each track, as they make a nice listening album, collectively. Good gfx, but the mag engine needs updating. Good articles.. that FLT history, even if it just covered C64, was a book in itself!

Regarding diskmags in the era of Javascript/HTML5 websites.. well, you can read the mag online too, which is cool. But there's something about having a complete package, with a collection of original music and graphics.. that gives it a real demoscene feel and not just some text on some website. I guess it's like buying a CD (or record, for the hipsters :), or a print magazine. It forces you to focus your attention on the product, and not get distracted by IRC, Youtube, cat photos, etc.
rulez added on the 2014-06-30 22:42:56 by phoenix phoenix
well done.

Worth our time. Magic & co. did it again!
rulez added on the 2014-07-15 23:38:50 by madbart madbart
Been a long time I didn't searched for news regarding the scene, so I got this diskmag and had a read. There are some interesting articles on it, which were pleasant to read with quality background music and lush graphic work.
rulez added on the 2014-10-16 03:56:20 by SoDa7 SoDa7
sucks added on the 2015-01-02 23:54:18 by Sir Sir
So we're just gonna let that Nobel prize remark slide then? :)
added on the 2015-01-03 00:30:45 by superplek superplek
what Sir said.
sucks added on the 2015-01-03 01:53:43 by xTr1m xTr1m
the last mag in the demoscene
rulez added on the 2015-03-17 22:40:35 by mop mop
Mop: on c64 there are many. Go check them ;)
added on the 2015-03-18 00:15:04 by magic magic

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