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fascinating and mysteriuos evolution of a field of pixels, like watching the wind pushing the desert sand into new patterns. Requires a bit of patience to watch tho. Thumbs up for an alternative demo style. Very fresh!
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 04:25:50 by cats cats
OGG Vorbis would've seriously helped the filesize here, btw. This demo is 21.3mb of MP3!
added on the 2002-11-11 04:27:53 by cats cats
a) If you though chimera sucked, this 'demo' will make you want to kill somebody.

b) If you're gonna make somebody download 21 megs please tell them beforehand that the prod is 'different'. Did I say 21 megs? yes, that's where we stand today, 21 fucking megs for 3 jpegs, an ambient sound and nothing happening

c) I stopped watching after 4 minutes. Can't take any more.

d) What kind of drugs do you have to take to enjoy this? Please send me a sample.

e) take this thing to a museum. maybe people will enjoy it there. I don't think many sceners will

f) You've managed to really piss me off.

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sucks added on the 2002-11-11 05:18:01 by mac mac
understand like
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 05:20:26 by constrained constrained
macc would like the end
macd is right about drugs
macg and the others made it
21 fucking megs of ambient sound? Doesn't even deserve downloading. The first prod that I thumb down without even watching...
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 05:25:53 by shash shash
hypnotic. I liked it a lot.

the filesize is too big for a 'demo' imo... should've been added as a 'wild'
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 06:16:42 by ript ript
ehu, this was , umn, im gonna comment again when ive got something runnin around in my brain =)
added on the 2002-11-11 08:43:31 by Dubmood Dubmood

Let's say it this way: It's really no demo, it's pretty much the opposite of a demo. It's like chimera, only in 2d, even more abstract and even more lengthy.

And I guess it's part of their plan to piss people off, with such a piece.
added on the 2002-11-11 11:30:39 by tomaes tomaes
just relax and look at the screen without really concentrating on anything (like stereograms).. this thing is alive..
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 11:49:31 by bhead bhead
excellent the way the visual, noisy patterns move and refine themselves in subtle yet funny ways with the music.. it would work
pretty well as an installation too

a kind of picture of the ubiquituous electromagnetic rain we are drowned into.

really, a shame the music is not generated in realtime like the visuals
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 11:56:58 by _-_-__ _-_-__
ah yeah, and i think it takes a full viewing to get an real idea of it
added on the 2002-11-11 11:57:46 by _-_-__ _-_-__
this is .. unique .. to say the least, i'll need to watch it again when it's dark, with headphones.

hey mac, wipe you ass on it why don't you.
atleast it's not a weak attempt to rip of professional webdesigners.
added on the 2002-11-11 12:09:25 by jelly jelly
so this is how it works nowadays right?
you code some brutally lame effect, use totally empty textures, cram out a completely senseless movement formula, feed it timeInSec * 0.0001f, shove an ambient track behind it.. AND VOILA, A NEW PIECE OF "ART" FOR ALL THESE GODDAMN "ART" FAGGOTS.

jesus christ.
added on the 2002-11-11 12:27:27 by superplek superplek
"fascinating and mysteriuos evolution of a field of pixels, like watching the wind pushing the desert sand into new patterns."

hahahaha come on ;) i can do that:

"this is a playful yet mysterious little dish!"
added on the 2002-11-11 12:30:14 by superplek superplek
i totally disagree with you Plek:
nowadays demoscene seems to be lead by a bunch of self masturbating idiots thinking than anyone unable to perform radiosity-shadowmaps-on-a-12-pipelined-multitextured-scene-with-100k-of-dynamic-vertex-with-VAR lost the right to pretend the demoscene throne.

by chance, kings and fools always die in ridicule.
added on the 2002-11-11 12:42:42 by elric elric
plek, let me advice you to reconcider, because .. TIS SI TEH FUTARE

added on the 2002-11-11 12:43:00 by jelly jelly
in that case..

let's all stop coding,
let's all stop making models,
let's all stop making scenes,
let's all stop making decent graphics,
let's all stop using/making normal music.

let's give up what once was a target of the demoscene.. high quality real-time multimedia. progression. let's throw away all our fucking geforce's and reinstall our tseng labs et6k's. let's fuck polygons and plot a few random pixels. let's fuck all we have learned and code dumb stuff, for it is art and even teh futare, or so it seems.

let's just alltogether make some fucking boring "artsy" bullshit. and be laughed at even harder, as a 'scene'.
added on the 2002-11-11 12:49:25 by superplek superplek
when i watch a production, i like to see at least *halfway* hip code in action.. it's a part of the experience and point of a demo/intro. this makes me feel like uninstalling msvc6 and getting back to qbasic.
added on the 2002-11-11 12:51:26 by superplek superplek
plek said all that needed to be said.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 12:51:37 by _ _
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 12:55:32 by Jcl Jcl
added on the 2002-11-11 13:23:59 by dalezr dalezr
superplek: i feel the need of making an "art demo generator" . :D
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 13:25:21 by Hatikvah Hatikvah

let's face it.. this is almost a decade ago and has *much more* to offer, and considering the length and intention i think we can somewhat place it in the same genre.
added on the 2002-11-11 13:31:45 by superplek superplek
the scene won't stop making special effect dance music videos anytime soon, so don't worry about it. Some of us (for example) go to the movies to see more than just how elaborate and impressive the design+effects+photography+screenplay+performance etc. etc. is. A film can have all of that 10x and still be a totally uninteresting and forgettable piece. While an amateur film with no technically stellar aspects can be captivating to the point of transfixion.

anyway, cool to see another "offensive" (in a good way) prod hit the scene
added on the 2002-11-11 13:42:22 by cats cats
21MB for preety minimalistic crap? That's enough for thumbing down. Sorry...
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 13:45:16 by Optimus Optimus
You have to admit though, minimal effort will get you maximum attention.
added on the 2002-11-11 13:45:33 by phoenix phoenix
I don't really know what to say here.

As an ambient piece of "art" (oh come on, please leave this term to real artists, ok? :), it's quite ok. The slow transitions and the soundtrack are thoughtfully done (and surprisingly un-random at times), and it even has a somewhat emotional character for me...

... if it weren't for the complete ignorance of all which is demoscene culture. I definitely agree that the scene tends to get stuck in thisandthat style for at least a few years each, and there's definitely need for different, offensive prods - but only if those different prods don't forget about some basic principles of realtime and optimization. Heck, why the fuck 21MB of MP3 for a few samples which could have fit into a 1MB MO3? There isn't a single sound that justifies the usage of a streaming audio format over a tracked one in the whole thing. You could have gotten the whole thing to 2MB instead of 22 and woudln't even notice a difference - apart from the fact that there would be a lot more downloaders and a lot less flamers.

for me, teh futare si elsewehre, but as long as THIS doesn't get mainstream, why not. Let the pigface speak.
added on the 2002-11-11 13:52:02 by kb_ kb_

i think most of us are developed enough to recognize a quality movie by other aspects than those you stated.

on the other hand, there is a *subtle* difference between a movie (in whatever form) and this useless piece, merely consisting of uninteresting pixel patterns. i ask *you*, what is the MESSAGE of this?

i'd like to sum op a few facts over again:

- this is not impressive from a technical point of view
- this does not offer a broad spectrum of audiovisual events, on the contrary, it offerns only a single one
- apart from the music perhaps, it doesn't require any talent to slap this together
- it bores the shit out of any 'regular' non 'art-faggot' person

i'm starting to get this feeling that some of you think it's hip to propagate empty bullshit. you all seem to discover some kind of message in those minimalistic pieces of bullshit... but could any of you describe this?
i guess not, since you're just saying so.
forcing yourself to enjoy.

it's not bad to be square: it's hip (as huey lewis stated in the track 'hip to be square', available on his album fore! released in 1986, if i recall correctly).

if people need to be *moved*, something needs to *happen*. and when nothing happens, it's just a matter of making up some useless argument and pretend you were halfway interested in what was presented to you.

i'm not saying this to propagate all lolly-pop-flavoured mainstream demos or intros. i'm *surely* not saying that my own hacks are a typical display of how it should be done, but there are a few good productions out there that really *mean* something, are pretty (which can and will be seconded by a lot of people, even people not involved with this scene), without them being minimalistic. minimalism can offer some sort of beauty.. but not in this way.
added on the 2002-11-11 13:53:01 by superplek superplek
I don't really know what to say ... I like that it so different and abstract, but anyhow I didn't have tje patience to see it to the end .... More fond of Your older productions
the way i understand '_', its some kind of representation of the beauty of what our society created this century: a flood of electromagnetic waves + computer | radio networks.

This flood, this rain of information forms a new, hidden, nature of its own.. a nature that you can't normally see, but has to be unfold as in '_'

it's just a new aesthetic that you are not yet familiar with..
added on the 2002-11-11 14:00:26 by _-_-__ _-_-__
plus, i disagree, there's some work in the visuals... its not just one effect left running for the whole duration of the demo.. it has movements like in the music, and maintaining | controlling the process of how it reaches a kind of climax with the different part of the music is not something you can do in 5min of work
added on the 2002-11-11 14:03:40 by _-_-__ _-_-__
for good minalism, turn to: {.
added on the 2002-11-11 14:05:25 by _ _
i see your point, tho i don't see what these uninteresting patterns have to do with the subject (and before you starting placing yourself on a motherfucking platform again by statements as 'you're not familiar with it' or 'you won't understand', i'd like to emphasize that i *am* abled to think on an abstract level). if one would want to make a display of that hidden nature, i'd suggest that one could come up with a slightly less simple and more interesting display of it. i agree that it's a matter of thought that forms the only way to come up with a way to visualize it, but this seems like pure lazyness. every aspect of nature (even *that* nature) is fucking complicated, so a more detailed attempt at presenting a view wouldn't hurt.
added on the 2002-11-11 14:05:50 by superplek superplek
oh jesus, i can never fucking spell something correctly on the first try:

added on the 2002-11-11 14:07:42 by _ _
everyone evolve! this is sweet
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 14:12:28 by kowboy kowboy
I think I'm gonna start a superplek fangroup
added on the 2002-11-11 14:17:27 by ravity ravity
plek, i think i love you. wanna marry me?
Now waiting for the 30-minute long demo of a 3D-rendered Campbell's soup can. :D

As I suggested in my Chimera review, the ultimate self-interpretive minimalism: turn off your monitor and stare.
added on the 2002-11-11 14:28:49 by phoenix phoenix
I watched this like 4 minutes... sand... makes me insane.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 14:45:45 by shadez shadez
interesting concept. definitely not made for the mtv generation - just don't download it if you don't have the patience to concentrate on anything longer than 10 seconds.
added on the 2002-11-11 14:48:04 by melw melw
if you have 15min free.. don't loose it with this demo.. :/ really really boring..
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 14:52:29 by mrdoob mrdoob
blabla, blablablabla, blablabla. stop ranting, suckers, and make something that you think is better. this isn't a scene prod? well ok, good enough, ignore it then, instead of writing 5 page articles on how crappy this is.
added on the 2002-11-11 15:18:41 by skrebbel skrebbel
i sure do find it more interesting to read 5 page articles on why a prod sucks than the same old bullshit remarks people come dragging with over and over again (such as: "if you don't like it do something better and don't comment!").
added on the 2002-11-11 16:49:00 by _ _
Or better yet, the group defender coming in to say "we don't care what you think, we did it just for fun!"
added on the 2002-11-11 16:55:18 by phoenix phoenix
I would like to say it's fucking boring
I would like to say visuals are crap
I would like to say I don't like the audio

But I can't.

It's a fucking cool acoustic-visual experience!

(hmm... let me guess why you used a 192kbps mp3... ;)
added on the 2002-11-11 17:03:40 by pan pan
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 17:04:07 by pan pan
now, I don't mind being exposed to arty faggoty crap or whatever it's called, but this is the equivalent of having your face punched in a lot of times over a long period time in the most boring way imaginable. sort of subconscious punching, really, in which you are not quite sure why you spent time watching this.

and again this proves that there doesn't seem to be a threshold below which people just give up on your production... even random pixels will be considered art if your infofile is pretentious enough.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:14:46 by sagacity sagacity
See it as a suggestion that steers one’s perception of an intangible reality. Contemplate the void between the pixels, decipher the enigma and interpret the emptiness, and then you will surely unveil the derivative nature of the concept and absolute banality of this “art”.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:16:01 by Wade Wade
you can argue all day about art, the target of the demoscene or the concept behind it etc etc. but in the end it's if you enjoyed watching it or not that counts... and yes, i did enjoy this :)
if there's something i'd complain about it would be the transitions between the different parts in the music. they seemed kinda "rough".
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 17:17:43 by lithis lithis
I just say one thing, MIND FUCK! Suggestive as hell! An exploration of the collective unconscious. This is the coolest thing I have ever seen! It's amazing, I have never seen anything like this before! Calling this a demo is an insult to the product. This has trancended the limited shit a demo can be. This is something completely different. Just light up, watch it and you are in for a trip you will never forget. (I recommend watching this on a good television, prefarably with a good stereo connected to it and inside a completely dark room!). A warning to the faint hearted, the middle part is scarry as hell!
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 17:28:11 by johgr johgr
I do like ambient, but this song isn't even good. Besides a) it would sound equally good/bad with 128kbps and b) no demo should be >20 megabytes.
added on the 2002-11-11 17:40:36 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
thumbs up.

the infofile is spooky tho.
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 17:43:59 by distance distance
I don't get it.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:44:55 by elend elend
Less is more. Many coders seem to judge a product by the number of effects or by the number of bits consumed by the audio. That's why coders can never create art, only artists can. But coders, do not worry. Your latest 3D players will probably get all the needed votes at the demoparties...
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 17:53:58 by no1 no1
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:54:05 by got got

i still didnt see this but i feel i'll like it at least in a way. cause its special. just look at the comments and you'll see.

an advice by a friendly stranger: dont look from the same point of view all the demos. dont have a point at all, let the demo place it.

basically, the same thang goes for everything - especially music. one might understand that, say techno and rock can be only listened in completely different ways, i wouldnt even dare to call both of these music. rather sound. and demos? demos are long gone if you complain about these not being. rasters, scrollers and sprites. dont you watch oldskool productions completely different way than nuskooldesigndemos or 3dflybies?

ofcourse everyone knows that. oh well, who cares - i can only speak of myself and thank g0d i'm still enjoy most of the sides of life =]

added on the 2002-11-11 17:55:28 by raver raver
You stupid idiots, dont u understand ART? ART is GOOD.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:56:49 by Wain Wain
å gud så jævlig dårlige greier. piss.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 17:57:40 by gloom gloom
Yeah, well their "exploration of the collective unconscious" should've been much fucking smaller...
added on the 2002-11-11 18:12:25 by verm verm
Some reactions remind me of what happened at the premiere of "The Rite of Spring" by Igor Stravinsky. Yes, that thing they often use as background music for ice skating performances, was received in a complete riot by the audience.

Not trying to make a comparaison between the works, just between the audiences..
added on the 2002-11-11 18:13:47 by _-_-__ _-_-__
"Less is more"

in this case its more like less is nothing..

Im all for the progression of the scene, but a 20mb bad ambient tune with 1 dull routine just doesnt deserve anything but a boo. You guys didnt even try,.

i thought worlds of chimera and that last 3state thing. But this doesnt come anywhere near the feel and visual/audio experience of those.

If this is "art" so is a picture of me pissing in the wind combined with a square sound.

...now...if it was 4k i may have been more keen on it, due to the limitations of 4k, but even as a 4k this would fall flat on its ass.

Actually if this was released as 4k, most people would should BOOOOOO...but because its huge in size...its art?

mainstream will suit me just fine then.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 18:14:27 by NoahR NoahR
They wanted attention and they got the attention. They're demomaking-trolls. And you're just feeding them. ;)
added on the 2002-11-11 18:42:20 by tomaes tomaes
This is like a crappy slideshow, I don't like the music, the group seems to be just wierd, and there's no Info about the demo. I think if you're going to try to release an "Abstract" demo you should say at the beginning.. actually how about no more people release 'abstract' demo's. I like halcyon, that was unique, origional, anything more is over-doing it. Yes, you over did it. Good job.
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 18:47:04 by XteNt XteNt
it's just VERY GOOD.
Love it!!!
good work dude!
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 18:50:33 by alkama alkama
XteNt, I agree with you. This kind of demos should have a text in the beginning: "Parental advisory. This demo may contain art". That way parents can keep their narrow minded kids away from dangerous things like this. $, keep up the good work. £€$$ is more. More or less.
added on the 2002-11-11 19:03:16 by no1 no1
$, keep up the bad work, some people are succesfully forcing themselves to like it. i already remember why i hated alternative people ;)
added on the 2002-11-11 19:53:40 by superplek superplek
i think this is the best demo i seen this year.
fucking great!

rulez added on the 2002-11-11 20:37:01 by psenough psenough
yes. eagerly awaiting the next exciting release from $! the expectations are high. will they again be able to outdo themselves and deliver something that is even _bigger_, and has even _less_ content?

it will be tough, but i'm sure they can do it!
added on the 2002-11-11 20:38:56 by _ _
incidentally, it's called 'cognitive dissonance'. you don't like this demo, but you do like art. the infofile and general packaging of the demo implies it is considering itself art. you then try to make the dissonance go away by reasoning that this demo is, in fact, art, ergo: you like this demo.
added on the 2002-11-11 20:42:04 by sagacity sagacity
added on the 2002-11-11 21:02:19 by _-_-__ _-_-__
No, I'm not going to push 21 megs through my 56k modem... not even if this demo could blowjob me...
sucks added on the 2002-11-11 21:43:35 by dixan dixan
I was thinking about writing something really provocative here but then decided against it...

All i can say is i enjoyed all 15+ minutes of _ immensely.
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 22:08:13 by uncle-x uncle-x
I haven't downloaded it after readin 20 or so comments. But I think this 'demo' can be similar to the book 'War and Peace'. It is a classic but noone will read it :)
added on the 2002-11-11 22:48:31 by pohar pohar
I just didn't 'get' it (at all).
it lacked the certain feeling e.g. chimera had.
also, it is IMO _way_ too big (and long)

...but it's different, which is always good.

all in all, it's worth a piggie.
added on the 2002-11-11 22:52:59 by funktion funktion
DiamonDie: a) It would sound equally good/bad with 128kbps

Imho, no... it wouldn't sound the same.
My hint is to listen to this demo using headphones.
added on the 2002-11-11 23:07:45 by pan pan
once again "the scene" doesn't understand a thing.
rulez added on the 2002-11-11 23:55:04 by getch getch
funny to see people scrambling to come up with explainations as to why anyone would like this demo
added on the 2002-11-12 00:53:47 by cats cats
thumb down only for the size, 'cause i like the fx
sucks added on the 2002-11-12 01:33:15 by spengler spengler
I'm downloading it right now...
But even before I had a look at it, remember that this and this started it all...
added on the 2002-11-12 05:16:44 by Splif Splif
Well... This is a good try at something new to the demoscene.
But like all "abstract" stuff, you can't objectively say "this could have been done better" or "this part is truelly amazing"...
So I'll just give my personnal thought about this one : this one isn't spatial enough (unlike chimera), although there were some spacy vision in _. I find it also too long and not thrilling enough (unlike chimera again).
No thumb up, nor down; good try, please more. (chimera stays best ;)
added on the 2002-11-12 05:37:17 by Splif Splif
Let's begin by quoting good old Webster 1913.

- - -

Ab"stract` [L. abstractus, p. p. of abstrahere to draw from, separate; ab, abs + trahere to draw. See Trace.]


Considered apart from any application to a particular object; separated from matter; exiting in the mind only; as, abstract truth, abstract numbers. Hence: ideal; abstruse; difficult.

- - -

And that is exactly what abstract art is. Pure shapes and colours, with very little semiotics involved, if any at all. Stimuli, without any strict meaning, just for the sake of stimuli.

And yet you keep talking about "understanding" this type of stuff.

This isn't something you understand - this is something you perceive. If you try to "understand" this you're not very likely to "get" this at all - even if you claim to.

You attack this for its lack of message, for its apparent emptiness. You then proceed to attack the people who disagree with you, since surely they MUST be pretentious. Pretty much the same thing as hearing a monotone techno track and complaining: "There's no melody! There should be a melody, there's always been a melody. I think they just want you to BELIEVE there's a melody! What fools you are!"

Not that I'm naive enough to believe that there aren't people out there who are just taking the opportunity to indulge in some pseudointellectual elitism. "Look at me! I understand this!"

And, as I suspected from the moment I read the very first comments, the dreaded "clearly you don't understand art" has popped up here as well.

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. You either get it or you don't. Your loss if you don't. Neither makes you any better or worse though. It's only when you take up arms to attack or defend something that isn't even there that you start appearing, to put it bluntly, moronic.

End of rant.

No thumb yet, I'll need to watch this a couple of more times before I decide whether I want to give one. Surely fascinating on the first viewing - that "wind pushing the desert sand" isn't as far fetched as you might like to think - however, I feel that I need to find out whether the impact remains on consecutive viewings.
added on the 2002-11-12 06:34:41 by jobe jobe
Oh, and when I read the discussion about bitrate I couldn't help thinking "heh, they should use Ogg Vorbis instead" :)

Or MO3, or softsynthesis. Can't argue with the points about size, although it doesn't bother me as much.
added on the 2002-11-12 06:38:23 by jobe jobe
Was this a representation of life or death?

btw, whats up with superfuck, posting like 18 times each production? cant he get enough of his own text?
rulez added on the 2002-11-12 07:46:27 by IZM- IZM-
Together with Chimera this is on top of my hate-list :)
sucks added on the 2002-11-12 08:44:13 by slumgud slumgud
cmon people its art!!! you dont understand it!! :-)
added on the 2002-11-12 10:35:48 by mempheria mempheria
i love minimal techno tho, jobe ;-)
added on the 2002-11-12 10:41:21 by superplek superplek
crap crap crap.
Together with Chimera this is on top of my hate-list
sucks added on the 2002-11-12 10:58:14 by mempheria mempheria
Plek, after seeing Teh Futare Si Now I kinda figured that :)

Perhaps something like Merzbow would have been better for comparison but I figured you'd all hate Japanese noise too anyway :)
added on the 2002-11-12 11:06:30 by jobe jobe
if you dont have 15 minutes to spare, or cant sit still and watch for that long, dont bother with this one.
although i found it a bit slow at some points, that was necessary to give the effect that you feel that nothing is happening, only minor changes but suddenly everything has changed totally into something new and beautiful.
rulez added on the 2002-11-12 11:25:16 by hollowman hollowman
jobe, or fennesz' +47° 56' 37", - 16° 51' 08"
added on the 2002-11-12 11:47:47 by _-_-__ _-_-__
It's interesting how this changes (or evolves) all the time, but actually doesn't change at all (wow, how deep :p). First time I watched this, I almost pressed esc, but this just sucked me in and kept me from doing it. Second time I watched it, it was amazing. Gotta watch third time.
rulez added on the 2002-11-12 15:10:25 by teel teel
sorry, i liked chimera much much better than this!
sucks added on the 2002-11-12 17:01:24 by oldaccount oldaccount
I realized that this is worth thumbing up.

Minor problems though, it does get even a bit too slow (at least the last part seemed to go on a bit longer than desired) and the way some of the layers in the soundtrack ended abruptly was quite distracting.

Minor problems aside, still an interesting prod. Epic in scope compared to Chimera, although none of the images here alone quite have the impact of the structure portrayed in Chimera.

I guess the people who made this would appreciate Wilt.
rulez added on the 2002-11-12 20:04:56 by jobe jobe
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 01:32:30 by mrART mrART
good trip :)
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 07:13:15 by stil stil
Oh my god. I love ART!
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 07:28:38 by mariokART mariokART
nobody mentioned "art" until plek busted in with his OMG ITS ART =( =( rants
added on the 2002-11-13 07:46:42 by cats cats
The most entertaining part of this demo was playing the sound at a higher pitch to recognize the used samples.
Art? Maybe... even a fart in the dark you can call art.
This is boring, done effortless, showing no skills.
sucks added on the 2002-11-13 11:19:40 by placer placer
good work!
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 11:27:55 by kanaljen kanaljen
It's like a microsoft product at 1.0: too big for what it offers, too uneventful, and everybody says it's brilliant -even though it's pants.
sucks added on the 2002-11-13 12:35:55 by Shifter Shifter
i actually liked this. in some strange way it makes me feel that my monitor is kida "alive" and it sucked me in.
But I think you either like it or you don't. And I belive this is more of an art installation than a demo. But a great installation nevertheless.

The filesize should be smaller shough.

Keep up..we need variety to get a broader vision. Not all can do eurotrashmetaballs :)
added on the 2002-11-13 13:09:00 by nelius nelius
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 13:09:27 by nelius nelius
I like it. It's time someone does something different.
To anyone who cares: keep on asking why such a high bitrate MP3... and try listening it through headphones... in a dark and silent room... and at the end, ask yourself "why am I feeling like this"...
rulez added on the 2002-11-13 18:08:16 by Drift Drift
I am feeling like this because I OD'ed on crack, heroin, and Teletubbies.
sucks added on the 2002-11-14 02:32:59 by sea_monkey sea_monkey
added on the 2002-11-14 13:27:07 by RaS RaS
Andy Warhols film "skyscraper" is like this. It's nothing, it's a waste of time, it's contains several hours of a bloody skyscraper and once in a while the camera pitches a few degrees upward. If you ask a real "artist" they would say that Warhol was a genius by doing this, but hey, was he really? Art is about provoking, nothing more, nothing less.
Rent a gallery where art can be installed and leave pouet for demos (yes, I don't call this a demo, I call this crap!)!
added on the 2002-11-17 16:28:29 by ekoli ekoli
ok, let's analyze what e-coli just posted, shall we?

first of all you compare this with Warhol, a wellknown artist in the ART-community, therefor you must concider this art. straight after that you mention that you dont accept this as a demo.

so if i got this correctly you mean to say that demos are NOT art? (that's (demo != art), for all you coders)

why the fuck are we doing _this_ then? could it possibly be that there is so much more to art than just provoking people, such as yourself?

when i watch a comedy i don't want to be provoked, i want to be entertained. or when i listen to boards of canada i'd much rather be put in a mellow state of mind than starting to think about the meaning of life and whatnot.

so please, before you make a complete ass of yourself, think stuff through before you type.

rulez added on the 2002-11-17 17:13:12 by jelly jelly
added on the 2002-11-17 18:05:03 by graffik graffik
has some mesmerizing moments.
added on the 2002-11-20 00:11:47 by skypher skypher
stellan, I don't know who this warhole is? Is he a demoscener, I have not seen demos from him! Stop the madness!
added on the 2002-11-20 20:10:31 by kanaljen kanaljen
conclusion: Stellan, who do you think you are?!?!?! Are you God Sweet Jesus OR WHo ELSE?.
Stop following me, get a life man Stellan!
added on the 2002-11-20 20:53:10 by kanaljen kanaljen
Stellan, this is what I think of you:
BB Image
added on the 2002-11-20 21:30:38 by kanaljen kanaljen
Stellan, are you looking for a fight?????
added on the 2002-11-20 21:33:50 by kanaljen kanaljen
I will send the pilosen to your house GODDAMIT MAN!
added on the 2002-11-20 21:34:46 by kanaljen kanaljen
Is this art? I hell know what art is! My art is better than your art STELLAN! I am from the beginning to the end. I am here, you are there. Figure that out heh! Get a hold of yourself! STOP THE MADNESS!
added on the 2002-11-20 21:41:08 by kanaljen kanaljen
First let's state one thing.
I am not a member of $ so you can fuck off complaining to them, direct all eventual hate messages directly to ME!
This is for all loosers walking the planet.
Mac : are you suffering from creutzfeldt jacobs disease? If not, consider it! You might actually benifit from it.

shash: Well, you have added this demo to pouet http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=1789 , do you think that's ART?

superplek: Let's stop being human and start making GOAdemos as the rest of the good little ANTI ART FAGS

Jcl: And so do you!

stefan: Get the fuck out of here!

Optimus: This is ONLY 21 mb. If you add up all other CRAP releases here you will get several GB's so 21mb is small.

shadez: If this product made you aware of your insanity it has helped you alot, seek professional help for your personal problems man!

trace: I can't really say that I feel sorry for you, you are TOO sad.

sagacity: You should really try a punch in the face, I would enjoy it.

elend: Get it!

Wain: Good that you at least know that you don't understand art. Art is a reflection of life, do you understand life?

iblis: This is not a case of less is more, It is not small or little. It is GRAND.

XteNt: Yes it is a crappy slideshow, if you are retarded.

dixan/oreo: It's your loss.

Slumgud: Togheter with Adolf Hitler you are my hate list :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

mempheria: you are a wimp!

[TEHFUTARESINOW]: Oh, I didn't know that goats could write.
added on the 2002-11-20 22:25:42 by kanaljen kanaljen
It is SAD how small some peoples worlds are. Sure this is not art if you limit your mind to "demos" with bouncing trance tracks and mindless texturemapped objects.
added on the 2002-11-20 22:33:31 by kanaljen kanaljen
kanaljen, you have a very strong point there

i just wish the demoscenecommunity and it's braindead inhabitants would be a bit more open-minded to new stuff, whether they actually enjoy it or not, instead of giving the word prejudice a new meaning.

and to think most visitors passed their teens already.
added on the 2002-11-20 23:24:30 by jelly jelly
Stellan, you are now my friend.
added on the 2002-11-20 23:32:09 by kanaljen kanaljen
there ist still hope for art and demoscene.
this prod shows it.

to all people who prefer wobbely envmaped stuff:
please show some acceptance for other styles.

rulez added on the 2002-11-23 00:28:39 by abductee abductee
Kanaljen, you know what I think is even more sad than people not thinking this is art? Is the fact that you have so much time on your hands to defend something that isn't even yours.
I'm glad this inspires you, but it doesn't cut it for me. I enjoyed Chimera, I don't think that because I dislike this demo I am a close-minded individual. May be you should learn to respect people's tastes rather than having an immature "everybody sucks" attitude because we don't all like this demo.
Also people do like to hold on the the traditional scene, as every culture holds on to it's traditions, and I think the traditional scene demand's (and I agree that it should always be this way) - but you need great code to obtain respect. This new 'style' of demo doesn't rely on code, but on 'art' as some people are insisting on calling it. Art being 2d graphics with some noise added to them.
That is all. Thanks,
added on the 2002-11-23 01:17:48 by XteNt XteNt
all demos are art.

the ones that are intentionally made to be art, usually suck ass and are lame.

added on the 2002-11-23 02:48:07 by nosfe nosfe
good point.
clarifies my last couple of sentances.
added on the 2002-11-23 02:56:45 by XteNt XteNt

kanaljen rocks. i want to be your friend too.

rulez added on the 2002-11-23 04:45:48 by raver raver
I. I have all the time in the world.
II. I don't think that you are a close minded individual, I'm just looking for a fight.
III. Like most artforms usually do, the traditional scene has come to a point where it has painted itself into a corner and has in my own view become unintresting. (except for some very rare cases)
IV. This "demo" relies on code just as much as your ordinary demo. The changes are very subtle and fine tuned.

Your argument raises the good old question of "What is art?". You can always claim that everything is art. Everything can be art but isn't automaticly. Is my cable that I use to connect my digital camera to my computer a piece of art? Is a photography of a dog a piece of art?

raver: YOU ROCK!
added on the 2002-11-24 13:23:29 by kanaljen kanaljen
shoudl i paint my fart blue
would that be art for you?
added on the 2002-11-24 13:57:38 by jelly jelly
should i paint my fart blue
would that be art for you?
added on the 2002-11-24 13:57:44 by jelly jelly
Okay, the mp3 is damn big, but :
I enjoyed this demo. It's different from anything i saw. Maybe minimalanimal sux / threepixels sux are closer to it than others demo.
I LOVE new things. Making one new 3D engine / one million polygons / 15 metaballs / 120 fps is great, admirable, technically speaking. But an IDEA has much more value.
Since we cannot see the optimization ideas contained in a 120fps-25 metaballs code (demomakers generally keep the hacks for themselves), i appreciate more the demos where we can reach and get the innovating ideas.
superplek, why do you keep saying this demo is bullshit-crap-suxing-damn-void ? don't you see that a non negligibel amount of sceners like it ?
I understand your arguments. They are true, but not in a "this demo is crap" context. It should be in a "I did not like this demo" context.
For some people, as elric said, a demo must be a technical kickass piece of code. But when i was introduced to the demoscene, people told me that a demo is like a video clip. It's sound and video, good looking, gives you a good time.

Oh, by the way. was it so hard to download 21 megabytes ? was it so hard to click and wait ?
rulez added on the 2002-12-01 18:27:30 by ukuk ukuk
cool demo. I liked it. Original. Cool music.
rulez added on the 2002-12-18 16:01:22 by phred phred
technical analysis: a slideshow with a good resolve ;)

amazing what a fuss this thing creates. for that alone i vote!

seriously: i liked the style.

i can't understand people making such a problem out of this. maybe if you spent months working on your 3d engine and you don't get half of the feedback posted here for instance?

the people who hate this stuff.. i read from their comment that they rather enjoy technical stuff.. but they would have been called 'artfaggots' and 'lamers' 10 years back. in those days ppl will still hardcoding multiplexed sprites records, breaking borders and trying to get 3d in 50fps. not doing using 3d scenes straight out of some construction-kit and putting them into a generic engine (of which half is done by some premade dll).

i think some of these 'art' products have the future and are very progressive.
rulez added on the 2003-01-22 14:52:26 by earx earx
a real nice one, but i didn't get why it was so big. maybe i'd try some keys to get to the hidden part.
added on the 2003-06-04 19:06:17 by dalezr dalezr
relaxing, calm, nerver agressive
i'll probably replay the 15min mp3 before going to bed
but visuals are too much slow to be interesting
i just watched this again and at the risk of pissing off alot of people i'd just like to say that this is the best demo EVER
added on the 2004-01-20 10:21:53 by lithis lithis
lithis: you spook me man.
now watch scoopex's wild again and change your mind on that one aswell.
added on the 2004-01-20 10:24:07 by psenough psenough
Technically this is not really standing out in a positive way... 20 MB for this music is quite a lot, and the images are indeed very simple.
Even designwise, there are already a lot of other demos with a similar alternative style out there, like chimera, kolonija or whatever, which are supposed to create some interesting associations.
So why thumb this up? There is a third aspect, which is actually quite important to me: I liked it! Somehow this has been the most impressing art demo I have seen so far, maybe because it was simply so extremly minimalistic, maybe because the soundtrack was actually very well made, maybe because the color shifting was very cleverly done... I don't know.
If you do not enjoy watching this, thumb it down. I think this product is really a matter of taste, and it would be very hard to find arguments to convince anyone, who simply "does not get it", why this can actually be very good.
rulez added on the 2004-03-02 04:36:51 by Mz Mz
rulez added on the 2004-09-12 16:05:16 by ninja ninja
Simple things occupy simple minds as the saying goes.
sucks added on the 2004-09-12 16:13:22 by Shanethewolf Shanethewolf
it's not bad at all.
rulez added on the 2004-09-14 00:25:28 by abuze abuze
Zoom! This one goes straight into your brain. Not a demo in the usual sense, but fascinating! Turn off the lights and watch! Very meditative...
added on the 2004-09-14 11:46:00 by EarlGrey EarlGrey
sucks added on the 2005-04-24 22:17:50 by Lupin Lupin
This is amazing.

Even if you hated it.. you *did* watch it to the end. This means it achieves its purpose wonderfully. And a demo that delivers its intent resoundingly; is a great product.

This is amazing.

A more hypnotic demo you won't find. I love the visual tempo (slow to the point of "has compy frozen?")... I love the inherit plays on optical illusion.. I love how the music is honourable in how it ALWAYS matches the on screen movement perfectly... accelerating & crescendos are prefect.

This is amazing.

Yes, there is the issue - it is a whole lot of code. I agree; there are easy ways in which this technical issue could have been overcome.

But in soccer we have a saying: "doesn't matter how they get there". This is a demo worth every second it runs.. one I will watch over and over.


ooh btw it made me want to watch this , which is no bad thing
rulez added on the 2005-12-06 03:16:44 by Gaia Gaia
sucks, this demo is not ART. 21mb :|
fuck you.
sucks added on the 2006-06-01 21:13:51 by wie8 wie8
in that case..

let's all stop coding,
let's all stop making models,
let's all stop making scenes,
let's all stop making decent graphics,
let's all stop using/making normal music.

let's give up what once was a target of the demoscene.. high quality real-time multimedia. progression. let's throw away all our fucking geforce's and reinstall our tseng labs et6k's. let's fuck polygons and plot a few random pixels. let's fuck all we have learned and code dumb stuff, for it is art and even teh futare, or so it seems.

let's just alltogether make some fucking boring "artsy" bullshit. and be laughed at even harder, as a 'scene'.

I agree. If the scene doesn't appreciate the work that goes into scene prods, don't do any work!
hypnotic, yet too long.
rulez added on the 2006-06-01 23:43:58 by v3nom v3nom
shane, who died and made you the scene?
added on the 2006-06-02 08:12:04 by hollowman hollowman
ah, but demoscene is about art? good to know, good to know. I will tell my mom that Im an artist! I think we are missing something important here...
added on the 2006-06-08 11:03:21 by iq iq
dont do that, i am sure that your mom will tell you that kitsch isnt art
added on the 2006-06-08 11:51:53 by hollowman hollowman
reading all the comments up here was entertaining, now I'll dl the thingie to check it.
added on the 2006-06-09 04:04:22 by bdk bdk
This is great.
rulez added on the 2006-06-09 04:52:15 by bdk bdk
i'm in love. quite possibly one of the best ambient demos
rulez added on the 2006-10-02 14:48:48 by waffle waffle
One of my fave scene productions.
rulez added on the 2006-11-14 03:00:29 by Twoflower/3AD Twoflower/3AD
Where did my thumb go? This was a great demo, sit back and relax and watch the patterns slowly shift and take shape. The atmosphere builds with it, lovely.
rulez added on the 2007-12-12 00:23:42 by psonice psonice
I've never seen such pretentious bollocks! Either the makers are playing a joke on us all, or they are the joke!
sucks added on the 2007-12-12 00:30:30 by Flunce Flunce
Not in the mood to watch the whole 15 minutes now.
added on the 2007-12-12 01:42:38 by xernobyl xernobyl
i hate it, and i like it at the same time.
added on the 2007-12-12 04:26:07 by keito keito
Beautiful. Also, sure, it's pretentious, and perhaps un-demo-like, but it appeals to my desire for things to break out of fixed patterns of thought. It's bad enough that every day in my life is nearly the same thing, doing mostly the same things and going to mostly the same places—I don't need each demo that I watch to follow more or less the same format.
rulez added on the 2008-02-17 05:19:31 by yesso yesso
ironically the comments on pouet about this demo are more enjoyable than the whole demo itself :)
added on the 2008-02-17 16:20:35 by maali maali
maali: not really, no.
added on the 2008-02-17 16:21:33 by psenough psenough
it somehow felt like watching through a telescope into deep-space...the longer you look the more you see...together with the out_of_this_world-"music" it kinda catched me and i went through completely. sounds like the universe itself !
rulez added on the 2009-02-18 14:24:38 by ɧ4ɾɗվ. ɧ4ɾɗվ.
da kann ich mir auch´n loch ins knie bohren..
added on the 2009-05-18 21:10:40 by gentleman gentleman
added on the 2010-01-28 02:30:00 by T$ T$
what pan said
rulez added on the 2010-10-08 03:17:59 by wullon wullon
The assumed motion from the first observable frame of this universe into living matter, into divinity, before you realize everything was not at all what it seemed.

Yeah, one of the best demos in its style, if not one of the best demos ever made. Loved the mid part and the very end especially. Couldn't think of a better way to spend those 21 megs.
rulez added on the 2012-06-09 23:43:38 by noby noby
this was actually pretty goddamn good
rulez added on the 2012-12-02 19:52:19 by aegis aegis
The 2002 drama about the "horrific" 23MB size is cute looking back at it nearly 15 years later. Nowadays, 23MB takes only a few seconds to download on broadband and takes virtually no space on a 3TB hard drive!
added on the 2016-02-08 02:52:31 by ramon ramon
One of the best.
rulez added on the 2018-06-14 00:40:20 by fizzer fizzer
my mind is not open enough for this masterpiece
sucks added on the 2018-06-14 03:18:05 by Bobic Bobic

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