fr-055: 828 by Farbrausch [web]
screenshot added by melw on 2007-02-18 13:08:58
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release date : february 2007
release party : Icons 2007
compo : combined demo
ranked : 1st
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popularity : 84%
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alltime top: #84
  • chaos chaos [code]
  • Visualice Visualice [graphics (visuals), other (concept, direction) ]
  • psenough psenough [music (additional mixing)]
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no words to describe this
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:16:16 by kurli kurli
by far the best demo in years. simply mindblowing atmosphere and insane amount of content. ultimate respect for visualice & co.
rulezcdc added on the 2007-02-18 13:16:54 by uncle-x uncle-x
all of the above
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:18:15 by mind mind
i love you.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:22:29 by nosfe nosfe
Good shit indeed.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:23:13 by break break
Well... Don't know what to say. A demo I've been waiting for a long long time. Massive on big screen, almost too daunting to watch alone at home. Very rarely emotions nor atmosphere is pushed to this level in demo format.
rulezcdc added on the 2007-02-18 13:24:33 by melw melw
long, surreal, beatiful. great work.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:28:58 by prm prm
I really would've loved this, had it been devoid of all the technical glitches (linear filtering, near plane clipping, blending artifacts) :(
Many many very powerful parts and I expect to like this the more I watch it, but on the first watch at home, some parts were WAY too garish and ugly. (Like that CGA-looking part somewhere in the middle.)

An awesome demo, but definitely NOT "the best in years". At least not on the first watch.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:35:46 by Gargaj Gargaj
Nearest point filtering, i mean. As seen on screenshot.
added on the 2007-02-18 13:40:31 by Gargaj Gargaj
Doesn't run on my winXP 64 Pro... ..\_start.cpp(2828): directx error 8876017c (380)
added on the 2007-02-18 13:44:06 by wix wix
one good effect (mfx-like particles in blue gamma).
demo looks as Visualise try to copy mfx & kewlers style and place it into sci-fi world.
I don't know why "aether" and other mfx prods looks good, and in same time this prod doesnt.
In fact, Mfx do same, but more, more better.

maybe pig but 14 mb.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 13:46:25 by f0x f0x
IMHO the music was something like "Waiting for Cousteau goes Industrial" (respects to ps anyway) but the demo itself had something that made me keep watching and eventually liking it. I wish the credits part effect had been longer.

The direction is great, some effects are amazingly neat, but I'd like to some more things this year before proclaiming this one as "best prod in eons" ;)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:48:01 by stage7 stage7
Quite simply the demo of the year
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 13:51:29 by dairos dairos
..\_start.cpp(2828): directx error 8876017c (380) here too, windows xp sp2, AMD Athlon 64, geforce 6600 gt
added on the 2007-02-18 13:54:47 by hollowman hollowman
it consumes an insane amount of vram, turn the multisampling down if you get the directx error
added on the 2007-02-18 13:59:23 by kb_ kb_
Fucking awesome.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:10:14 by teel teel
very nice!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:11:18 by shadez shadez
Nice work, but yeah, not even close to being the best in years. Moody visuals, and i loved the watery(?) scene. But, i have to be honest not my cup of tea and struggling to give it a thumb.
Maybe it needs the big screen atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:12:11 by Intrinsic Intrinsic
Probably I such silly, but I do not see anything good in this work. " We wish to become abrupt conceptual and alternative ". But it has not made impression upon me, not дотерпел up to the end of a demo, has pressed esc
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 14:14:17 by bitl bitl
Fatal Error
..\_start.cpp(2828) : directx error 8876017c (380)
added on the 2007-02-18 14:16:15 by imbusy imbusy
Fatal Error
..\_start.cpp(2828) : directx error 8876017c (380)

GeForce 6600GT
I wonder if DirectX SDK has something to do with it, but the Release Direct3D is selected and all the validation is off.
added on the 2007-02-18 14:16:57 by imbusy imbusy
Extraordinary FR style! Creepy! Some scenes feels like watching alien movies. Nice sound fx but I like a demotune more than only soundfx in a demo. Respect for making this demo! When demo is finished (I used 1028 x 768 verion of demo) my windows is totally bugged with like 16 colours left ? Lowres screen. I will reboot now ;) Hope to see FR-50 at bp07 (which will hopefully has the same impact or more as FR-25 :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:17:30 by magic magic
give me a break. Where's that massive amount of content? Tons of artifacts and fast made scenes? The same old code like in the past 10 demos? The same textures with the same generated cloud like patterns with fonts on?
No! The times when you put dozens of blending planes and some distorted primitives must end at once. The MFX demos (ie "Deities") had some kind of screenplay. Moreover they were simply coded by hand in some parts which explains some distortions. This one is just an ordinary "put everything" together before compo demo. People, try to understand that this is not a best way to create. Whatever. You can start to hate me from this moment.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 14:19:09 by bonzaj bonzaj
Oh yes - the moment with the sphere crushing the plates is a good one. Only that.
added on the 2007-02-18 14:20:09 by bonzaj bonzaj
TO ANYONE WHO GETS THE DIRECTX ERROR: Turn multisampling down (2x or none). This demo needs lots of VRAM. Working on a fix...
added on the 2007-02-18 14:24:01 by ryg ryg
uuuhh.. first i thaught it was just art, but then i watched it again on a lower resolution and without multisampling and realized.. "hey, that constant glitching sound weren't supposed to be there after all!?", and the demo played back much smoother and faster. I suppose there is a bug somewhere, so i'll watch it again some times before making up my mind
added on the 2007-02-18 14:24:12 by Duckers Duckers
Turning off multisampling did work! Great stuff.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:28:17 by imbusy imbusy
insane amount of work.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:28:27 by bzz bzz
left me breathless :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:29:20 by jamcar jamcar
oh man!!!! that's totally madness!!! one of the best demos I've ever seen of its kind! I loved it. Deserves a CDC for sure! :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:29:51 by Skate Skate
Thumb up mainly for the immense amount of design that has gone into it. There were some beautiful scenes but for me I found most of it very odd. Not disturbing, just strange. I don't really know if I like it but I respect it.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:30:55 by Shockwave Shockwave
turning off multisampling seems to do the trick here as well. i didn't get any dx-error but the demo played back very slowly (not as in low fps, but as in timestretch) with constant annoying clicking sounds when multisampling was enabled. watched it again in now in what i suppose was a correct playback. it looks and feels good!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:35:32 by Duckers Duckers
Piggy coz' i don't want to thumb it down
i don't feel anything watching this
the music ? what music ?
The design what design
the only thing textures are cool ...
added on the 2007-02-18 14:39:48 by _wheely_ _wheely_
Well done and probably the best demo by farbrausch of late.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:45:58 by Cj Cj
Duckers, I believe turning of Vsync is a solution for you.
added on the 2007-02-18 14:46:37 by melw melw
large amount of content and great visuals :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:51:16 by Sapphire Sapphire
hmm... really not my cup of tee. so piggy, but big respect to visualice! good job anyway
added on the 2007-02-18 14:52:49 by psykon psykon
Probably this as close to Visu's dreams and vision as it gets, which is touching, scary and impressive at the same time.
Great work, with some technical rough edge (like Gargaj noted) that doesn't really degrade the viewing experience.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 14:57:23 by dixan dixan
I hope it will run well on my laptop.
added on the 2007-02-18 14:58:43 by bdk bdk
where is the superb amount of content and work ?
i don't see anything.
It looks very ugly. I didn't get it at all and i think mfx demos are on incredible higher level than this one. I saw better "minimal" demos than this. ;)
and Music could be better !
+what _wheely_ said about design.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 14:59:12 by wie8 wie8
this simply rocked. very deep atmosphare. creepy
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:00:45 by Kauto Kauto
Fatal Error
..\_start.cpp(2614) : directx error 8876086c (2156)


Waiting for a merciful kkapture of this, I'm very curious!
In the meantime I'll return to watch some haujobb prods :D
added on the 2007-02-18 15:11:35 by bdk bdk
Video version is on the way, will take an hour or so.
added on the 2007-02-18 15:13:03 by kb_ kb_
\ :) /
added on the 2007-02-18 15:15:51 by bdk bdk
Watching it, one word only stayed there, glued in front of my eyes, in garish neon lights, not blinking, just glowing, almost blinding me: ALCOHOL.
added on the 2007-02-18 15:20:56 by _-_-__ _-_-__
really nice analog feel in some of the scenes! next task: make it interactive :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:28:33 by jugi jugi
Very good visuals, didn't fancy the soundtrack much.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:29:17 by visy visy
ok one more thing... the worst part of the demo is the metalball crushing the plates!
added on the 2007-02-18 15:33:24 by jugi jugi
!!! and fix it ;)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:35:34 by xernobyl xernobyl
thats just kick ass.. In the beginning I was a bit put off by the sharp edges and envmappish uv coords, but the style kind of grew throughout and in the end I thought this was how it had to look. Is this the innard of some cyborgs brain or what? I have to watch it again.. The scene that struck me as the most beautiful is the underwater one (or in womb?) with the particles and bubbles.. just great.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:37:41 by loaderror loaderror
Sick in an impressive way
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:39:03 by BoyC BoyC
Great one, was still nice on my crappy laptop but I want that video. Loved the most this water part with bubbles and the ball on the plate.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:42:01 by Buckethead Buckethead
the metallic scenes kinda made me think of Giger.. sadly not every scene is equally 'strong'.. but .this .is .very .good
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 15:43:49 by post malone post malone
am i the only guy to find it boring? i couldn't see anything that deserves 8 CDCs.
added on the 2007-02-18 15:59:15 by decipher decipher
I refuse to take this collection of vaguely ambitious, yet messy and overly pretentious scenes seriously. :)
added on the 2007-02-18 16:03:07 by tomaes tomaes
No go...
added on the 2007-02-18 16:03:45 by T$ T$
Oh well... this must be the *most boring* demo in years (after chimera/halcyon, obviously).
Music is non-existent; visualice still fails to do proper shadow map filtering.
A piggy.
added on the 2007-02-18 16:10:52 by friol friol
hope it won't get overhyped, but this is definitely good stuff. it would be great to see more 'collected' visualize demos again
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:20:45 by Ger Ger
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:21:07 by d.weed codehard d.weed codehard
it teh beauty but since i was in party mood I waited something called as music :(
But very very very good design anyway
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:24:14 by gr gr
I'd like a video, you made kkapture, I'm sure you will, but I *do* wanna watch this one.
added on the 2007-02-18 16:30:22 by thec thec
BB Image
added on the 2007-02-18 16:32:22 by noouch noouch
argh missed ryg's comment. anyway, i can't really say i liked the style, but thumbs for effort
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:43:38 by noouch noouch

Autothumbup for a controversial visualice/FR release.

I am going to watch it once an avi is out, so I does not get spoiled by technical issues.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:51:02 by Stelthzje Stelthzje
video (xvid+mp3 640x480 60fps)
added on the 2007-02-18 16:51:08 by kb_ kb_
after watching this i had a feeling of 'wtf'...
so, what drugs are u on...and can i get some?
Coz i totally missed the theme/storyline, if there was any... :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 16:54:47 by alien^PDX alien^PDX
Because a so nice tune deserves much better from your inspiration.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 16:56:36 by daddyvx daddyvx
damn beautifull - very moody and special. one of the best things I've ever seen.
lovely textures and layer-handling :-)
added on the 2007-02-18 16:58:57 by ck ck
so what hardware does it take to run this with multisample? not a gf7600 i found out
added on the 2007-02-18 17:00:29 by the_Ye-Ti the_Ye-Ti
I got "can't create screen" error when I try to run fullscreen, then the DX error in windowed mode. I tried decreasing multisampling, but no luck. :(

Downloading video now.
yeti: works on a x1600 mobility
added on the 2007-02-18 17:05:00 by Gargaj Gargaj
Ok, first off, I'll admit that I don't like ambient demos. I'm one of the few that though the fulcrum sucked back in 1998... I'll go straight ahead:

The music in this one really didn't work for me, the mood too me means just boring. I can't believe how someone actually sat through this thing at the party and at the same time were amazed(!?) and then voted for it. I haven't checked the competition out though..

The code and all work to put it together is massive and impressive in a way, no-one can deny that. But farbrausch have done so much better stuff in the past, like the obvious popular demo and for instance theta which I thought was brilliant.

In most part of the demo I couldn't understand what I was watching, for some this might be a good thing, but for me it certainly isn't. Call it art if you'd like to but I didn't get it. The last scene with the credits was the nicest one if you ask it, and second to that I liked the spline thing with the circle in the beginning.

I think a thumb up means instant recommendation to a friend, but I can't think of anyone that I might recommend this to, so no thumb for you. Sorry, you made a good effort.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 17:13:21 by thec thec
ok, my mistake, you got a thumb.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:14:35 by thec thec
Largest and most threatening demo released in a very very long time!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 17:19:45 by Korvkiosken Korvkiosken
2007 a demo odyssey ?

kudos to visualice for restlessly refining his art, this is his ultimate masterpiece so far.

so cold...
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 17:21:13 by Zest Zest
just about saved from being horrible by a couple of flashes of almost greatness.

lets forget the "technical" issues - the same nasty alphablended white lowres-textured polygonal stuff sticking around that has blighted visualice's stuff for ages, ugly polygonal objects where they really don't fit (and no postfx to help smooth it out), bad textures, bad uv mapping, layers that dont really look good and a whole raft of other problems. and lets ignore the sound (which i pretty much did anyway - it does nothing for me).
my problem with it is on the artistic side. to me it feels old and stale - like a series of images taken from a bunch of movies and glued together with added pretentiousness. sorry, it gave me nothing.

as i said tho, saved by a couple of parts which did provide some strong imagary.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:24:57 by smash smash
Very abstrakt with a background music that's seems like 2001 space oddesy - very beautiful - in a dark foreboding sort of way. I dug it!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 17:28:20 by wham wham
I do love ambient. But in this case the imagery (wich is awesome) would need a much more powerful soundtrack (at places it cries for it, really) cause this was on the brink of boredom, sorry...
added on the 2007-02-18 17:29:36 by zoom zoom
a mixture of scenes, some cool, some crap, that just absolutely doesn't work as a whole.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:31:16 by bhead bhead
music only for this time guys :<
added on the 2007-02-18 17:33:05 by cxczevik cxczevik
what bonzaj said. I only liked one scene, and wasn't the one with the ball crushing the plane.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:44:50 by mrdoob mrdoob
This.Fucking.Rules! Awesome soundscape. Could be even more scarier though. Great job guys, i like!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 17:53:19 by Serpent Serpent
there were some moments of sheer beauty, while some scenes were nearly ugly - like the crushing-ball part and some others. the music was very cool and athmospheric.

sure there's been lot of work & thought behind this, yet i still can't understand the enthusiasm shown here. when it comes to more avantgarde demos, this one can't reach some of the satori masterpieces _by far_ - simply because it's not on-point enough.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:55:22 by dipswitch dipswitch
also, it might be just me, but it seems like something negative has happened with visualice's choice of colors since he joined farbrausch. i liked his haujobb-palettes MUCH more.
added on the 2007-02-18 17:56:29 by dipswitch dipswitch
odi et amo
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 17:57:09 by rmeht rmeht
for the love of god, this is simply breathtaking.
rulezcdc added on the 2007-02-18 18:03:32 by stonda stonda
Too boring to make my permanent demo collection, but was ok to watch once. Looked good and had a good atmosphere.

It's pretty much a slow version of D (Stands For) which is a MUCH better demo in my opinion, with more to see and hear.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:18:05 by Shanethewolf Shanethewolf
bonzaj: "put everything" together before compo?? O_o i can understand your hatred towards the layers thing but...
added on the 2007-02-18 18:18:37 by psenough psenough
stop...i dont like it..it is not a real nice prod. others by FR were better. not every FR release is a good one. is not it a name voting?
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 18:22:00 by cxczevik cxczevik
no comments...
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 18:30:23 by kadet kadet
Platforms, broken by the ball, are very nice.
Some scenes reminds me second generation of Doomsday's demos.
The sound design might be more bold, more cinematographic and sfx-like. Why don't to send a music away at all?.. Anyway, I like this trend in demo soundtracks.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:37:25 by Manwe Manwe
long time no visualice demo
so it's simply nice to see one again
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:39:39 by mizc mizc
Pure love.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:40:41 by Preacher Preacher
this shit! not demo!
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 18:43:33 by tosser tosser
OK, after I read some comments, viewed the video version, and took the time to think about it, I decide to add a deserved thumb up, with some comments:

- I do realize that it's "one more step" in graphical enhacement, that follows the "shader-way-of-doing" (like lots of prods these years), and use visualice talent for colour/tint calibration at his best, always with a painter point of view, and maybe also "lighting engineering" . (If you can't understand that, the demo has effectiveley no interest.) So this is all a work on calibration details, just to make it beautiful, and also on the way the objects move. Globally, it's just translating and shading objects, but it gives some interesting direction. (an object make the ball disappear just as your eye come on it, keeping a static circular object in the center,...that is a clever direction.) . So , clear thumb up for that.

The codework look a bit hidden behind, and may be seen as the a classic-shader codework, but It can't be a reproach at all. Each demo has to focus something. The main difficulty to make a graphical work like that is to fire the coders out the room, finnaly, because they simply can't have nothing to do at this level.

the bad side, to my mind: this is a complete abstract-shaped demo, unlike some other FR demos like candytron, that were describing procedurally real things, like women or voices.
Here, everything is abstract, and it is so easy to do bizarre shapes, and give no clear sense to what you show. So to my mind, this is a *very* good demo, but certainly not the best for years.

... Hey, by the way people, the "Coup De Coeur" thing is about to point out unknown prods and give them more attention when it's need, and in no case it stands as a "superthumb". Obviously, this prod may not be a good CDC candidate as it will reach top one everywhere and everyone will talk about it for years,... it will be annoying as hell.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:47:31 by krabob krabob
Not bad.. But after some minutes it is very boring. I was waiting for the highlight after a long introtime... but .... mhh...
added on the 2007-02-18 18:49:29 by .. ..
special, but overrated. a sick shit production. at least interesting. so o.k.
did somebody hack the "coup de coeurs"?
if an unknown crew would have done something like this, everybody would have given a thumb down.
added on the 2007-02-18 18:52:10 by seppjo seppjo

Amazing atmosphere and music.

Well done.

rulez added on the 2007-02-18 18:57:24 by [self-ban] [self-ban]
Too boring and uninteresting for my tastes, like 95% of fr demos.
added on the 2007-02-18 18:59:47 by DiamonDie DiamonDie
Hmm... very phat visuals and ideas... therefore you get my thumb... but the ambient soundscape makes it very very boring to watch...
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:02:15 by ltk_tscc ltk_tscc
Very nice (enough for a thumb up), but still prefer some of the other latest work from visualice tho... I know I won't be coming back to this one as much (if at all) as I'd do with other uhmm... "similar" demos.

And I don't get all this hype after all the flaming towards "artsy" prods. Pouet sure is weird sometimes...
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:05:10 by zomb zomb
Fantastic. Awesome experience on bigscreen.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:08:59 by rale rale
Gotta love the Visualice style!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:09:37 by ravity ravity
What seppjo said is very true. I expected something better. Some parts shine, but overall this is a piggie for me.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:10:24 by menace menace
gets more and more overrated. fr groupies from outer space. please, delete that 14x "coup de coeur". is not in relation with the production itself.
fx: only interesting and also boring
music: what music?
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 19:10:53 by seppjo seppjo
Some quite suggestive moments starting from the eye part. On the party's bigscreen and sound system for sure the immersivity of the demo reached an optimal level.
I particularly enjoyed the scenes with all the massive structures.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:13:08 by bdk bdk
fuckings to all lamers
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:14:31 by uns3en_ uns3en_
what is the meaning of lamer?
added on the 2007-02-18 19:24:48 by seppjo seppjo
BSOD-ed on me, so I watched the video.

Truck just said on irc that this is the kind of demo which you either get or you don't. Well, I think I get the demo (loved the atmosphere and I have the feeling that this demo will become even better when you've watched it more often).

However, I don't "get" the coup-de-coeur mass hysteria. Why does this demo have 14 cdc's while for example deitis by mfx has only one? That ain't fair :-)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:26:51 by sparcus sparcus
dudes who are complaining, especially seppjo, how about getting a clue what a "personal coup de coeur" in contrary to the pouet startpage coup de coeur, is about?!
added on the 2007-02-18 19:28:28 by dipswitch dipswitch
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:29:55 by dipswitch dipswitch
lamer who doesnt understand anything about good demos :)
added on the 2007-02-18 19:31:29 by uns3en_ uns3en_
dipswitch: true, but there is such a thing as a "personal coup-de-cour and such a thing as a "personal" opinion that the cdc flood here is overrated :-)
added on the 2007-02-18 19:32:08 by sparcus sparcus
sparcus, don't worry, i got _your_ point, in fact i wrote this before your post popped up. my rant was rather directed at seppjo who wants to "delete" the pcdc's.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:36:49 by dipswitch dipswitch
visuals are much better than the last demos... but i don't like the music and in all it's a bit boring... so it's ok for me ;)
added on the 2007-02-18 19:38:01 by ultra ultra
thought it was a pouet hack. couldn't beleive it.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:38:34 by seppjo seppjo
words "cool, "rulez" are not applicable for describing this demo. This is just alternative universe in our monitors, made by twisted-alien-minds. Most impressive prod for me for a long period.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 19:38:52 by Raynoa Raynoa
Looks like we have our new Chimera for 2007. What's with the CDC overdosage? Get a grip already.

Very nice moments in this one, unfortunately it's also extremely overrated by the audience. Yes, it's got a few great scenes. Yes, it has a lot of content. But no, it's not the best demo ever. Plenty of disjointed moment and scenes that no amount of goatee and turtleneck will make up for.

Maybe it'll grow on me if I watch it a bit more, but I'm not really sure. It will probably make for a good beanbag + beer session.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:43:34 by Shifter Shifter
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 19:47:41 by CyberMan2 CyberMan2
very ethereal style which makes it stand out from most other demos. but it doesn't "read" well. too messy. i guess the closest comparison on the scene would be MFX's stuff (such as Golem, Aether) which is just as abstract yet reads perfectly and is a lot more "solid", even considering their abstract themes.

Nice demo but I sense a lot of people here are being swept along by group hysteria.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:51:22 by button button
hmm, not my cup of tea, too boring for me, dont get the feeling out of the visuals, overall nice optical invasion.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:54:58 by Premium Premium
First I thought it was buggy on my GF 6600 GT but then I read Smash's comments and realized it was the actual demo...

the same nasty alphablended white lowres-textured polygonal stuff sticking around that has blighted visualice's stuff for ages, ugly polygonal objects where they really don't fit (and no postfx to help smooth it out), bad textures, bad uv mapping, layers that dont really look good and a whole raft of other problems. [...]
my problem with it is on the artistic side. to me it feels old and stale - like a series of images taken from a bunch of movies and glued together with added pretentiousness. sorry, it gave me nothing.

Waiting for a final with more polished work and better design for a thumb up.
added on the 2007-02-18 19:58:09 by keops keops
seppjo, are you really so retarded that you cannot understand that there are people with different taste than yours?
added on the 2007-02-18 19:59:19 by nosfe nosfe
we need anti-cdc's too.
added on the 2007-02-18 20:14:37 by thec thec
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 20:14:46 by faaret faaret
i like the mood of the demo ... i liked some effects but i couldnt figure out the concept behind. ergo too many scene changes and effects that dont fit together. its ok but i just expected more
added on the 2007-02-18 20:22:09 by vOUCk vOUCk
great stuff, gotta watch again some day with a more receptive mind
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 20:39:31 by viznut/pwp viznut/pwp
Inspiring. Like many great movies, I feel I'll watch this once and not again but that once was a journey for me. Sure a few of the alpha layers were unnecessary and even ugly but I dont care: there is grace and power here. If the next one had a point, a direction, a statement beyond the artistic style it would be the only real improvement you could make (but IMO a necessary one).
Thankyou for that demo. It was very special.
oh yeah and Im not a groupie.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 20:44:03 by auld auld
You only get a piggy from me. Some parts are just fucking ugly - some are amazing. it seems very unpolished to me.

hyper hyper.
added on the 2007-02-18 20:57:43 by las las
I think this could benefit from less insane amount of content :) Nice moments in it though, only too far apart.
added on the 2007-02-18 20:59:21 by hornet hornet
i like this one very much :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 21:01:30 by src src
As has already been said, this suffers from some artifacts (ugly textures, low poly models), but some scenes are just amazing, so definitely a thumb up from me.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 21:19:01 by parcelshit parcelshit
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 21:35:29 by TrX TrX
ps: about that "putting everything together before compo". I don't want to make a debate here on someone's prod page, but let me get it straight. I realize that some of you think that demoscene is amateurish, and you're right. But it's mostly because you want to stay in this sauce. It's easier to not watch productions from other sources than demoscene because they're simply better. What worries me is that this production is plain ugly, does have nothing in similar with art and has a lot of artifacts which can be easly to spot. The problem is that some people that have built their respect in the past are now using the same old effects. Like smash has already said the whole production is old and stale, but some FR grouppies are still active. It's just sad that people who were once building this society with fresh ideas are now trying to keep it in the form it used to be back in 1999-2002 (the infamous "liquid... wen?" demo). Demosceners! The world is turning around and believe me that sometimes it is good to change sth. And there are groups and productions that bring sth new. But not this prod. Quit with the CDC and best demo of the year/ever thing. Check some other communities and see that we need to put a "little" more effort, if we don't want to get rotten and forgotten.
I believe Farbrausch can do better than this.
A second thumb down from me <img>http://www.pouet.net/gfx/sucks.gif</img>
added on the 2007-02-18 21:35:51 by bonzaj bonzaj
boring, ugly, sound sucks. sorry you can do better.
sucks added on the 2007-02-18 21:48:08 by hunta hunta
Maybe FR should release an updated werkzeug which can set new standarts than uh Bonzaj?

Or even better its time Plastic releases a new demo which sets such high standarts the rest has to follow :)

Pioneers in demo making, the followers, the copy-cats, the oldskoolers who release something from time to time.. It has always been like this .. in anyway cherish eachother creativity we cant be all as good as someone else and come with new stuff all the time.. simple demoscene history lesson 1987-2007 in my case :D Cheers!
added on the 2007-02-18 21:50:07 by magic magic
freaking excellent
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 21:55:37 by waffle waffle
Bonzaj is probably just angry that a demo without ripped graphics can still be good and popular.

Not everybody has the same taste, you know?
not my taste but..
1. great visuals
2. very "abgefahren"
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 22:07:01 by 4kum4 4kum4
and they are darker, deeper, dirtier than _ever_ before..
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 22:09:50 by v3nom v3nom
I agree with bonzaj on some points though. People should watch other communities and get some fresh inspiration and there could be some better stuff in here.. Shadows, bumpmaps... maybe even some general technique to make the objects disappear where they aim to cut each other would be nice.. some kind of "use the z-buffer to make stuff close each other transparent" which I have seen demonstrated on billboard explosions.. Not sure if there were any coders at hand to help out with such features here though..
added on the 2007-02-18 22:10:45 by loaderror loaderror

bonzaj: omfg not every demo can be a computerized version of grandmothers kitsch collection with HDR lightprobes.

added on the 2007-02-18 22:19:23 by Stelthzje Stelthzje

I have to admit that the demo feels a bit rough coding wise. I am not sure all the jerks in the video are intentional, i find them quite irritating.
added on the 2007-02-18 22:20:52 by Stelthzje Stelthzje
Just to be annoying, I also made this my cdc.

Chimera 2007
added on the 2007-02-18 22:27:16 by Stelthzje Stelthzje

Btw: FIX pretty PLEASE!
added on the 2007-02-18 22:31:21 by Stelthzje Stelthzje
Maybe what brother bonzaj means to say is that farbrausch became nothing but a boring bunch of rentiers ?

Still, the portuguese scener have all my sympathy.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 22:32:19 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
also got the start.cpp error :( radeon 9600 here.
added on the 2007-02-18 22:37:05 by blackpawn blackpawn
huge atmosphere and vibe. massive thumb.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 22:45:20 by griip griip
Too bad that certain unmentioned ill-will sceners can never achieve anything like this.
added on the 2007-02-18 22:49:44 by waffle waffle
didn't work here.. have to check the vid i guess..
added on the 2007-02-18 22:54:59 by earx earx
well watched the vid and i like it. :) nice work!
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 23:03:04 by blackpawn blackpawn
This is the most amazing demo I have ever seen. I have no words.
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 23:04:53 by tyfighter tyfighter
Nice gfx, nice atmos.. I would like to see more of these.. BUT.. The music (too much credit already) was completely dull. Therefore a piggie tending towards sucking.
added on the 2007-02-18 23:27:02 by trc_wm trc_wm
For the chronicles: I was able to run this by disabling multisampling AND by choosing 4:3 aspect ratio (16:10, wich is the right one for my sys, didn't work...).
Just for curiosity, where the insane amount of vram is used?
added on the 2007-02-18 23:38:59 by bdk bdk
i second everyone
rulez added on the 2007-02-18 23:43:37 by hhhhhhh hhhhhhh
well not me. Textures, bugs, lack of coherence...
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 00:17:28 by MooZ MooZ
farbrausch!!! Steady, Ready, GO! -b
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 00:41:27 by aha aha
As a long term silent fan, I am absolutely stunned about this production. It not only shows an incredible talent (which by itself is a nice thing) but real artistic development (which I feel is very rare in the demo scene). I am really happy that you are still active and contributing. And at the same moment, I am somehow affraid that you at some point draw the conclusion that demo scene and art do not fit together and leave us, just like statix did.

About the production:
- Stunning soundtrack and atmosphere. I was not second "bored". I like demos I can think about, before watching them again. And again. I really doubt that this could be a "party production", because it looks like someone has put some thought into the theme before starting to build it.

- Some low poly objects disturb the overall quality
- Some minor sync problems (two or more frames off the tune)
- Some of the organic objects didn't look good enough.

Together with visualice you are one of my favorite scene artists and I am anxiously waiting of a new production for you for the last few years. I clearly remember our discussions at evoke about editing and art. So I can not understand your comments on this production. I know there are glitches and there aren't any of those cool new asd-like shaders and stuff. But I love the scene for it's diversity and tolerance. If we were at film business I would never dare to release any of my own productions, because I only can use Mad's old directx 7 engine. And would just laugh at me, what I use such outdated technology.
But here everybody can do his stuff with the technology he decides to use. Some use c64, some werkkzeug, some complex pixel shader pipelines. And most us have enough understanding to estimate what can be done with the used technology. For me watching this demo was just like watching Simpsons. I forgot about its render technology. I just saw a story. And for me this story was breathtaking trip.

rulez added on the 2007-02-19 01:34:59 by pixtur pixtur
pixtur, thanks for speaking out of my heart with your comment, especially concerning visualice AND bonzaj. i hope too that _both_ protagonists will enlight us with stunning productions for the next years, each in his own way. the artistic _diversity_ of the scene is one of the most important keywords one can say on this debate.
added on the 2007-02-19 02:58:38 by dipswitch dipswitch
Yuck! Didn't get anything. Someone please make a Visualice Demo Cheat Sheet. I think thec wishes one as well.
added on the 2007-02-19 03:01:53 by eye eye
pixtur: hehe, true!
added on the 2007-02-19 03:02:48 by bdk bdk
if you are going to make a demo in this pace you will have to have perfect visuals without tearing or aliasing. mostly this was acctually done, but in some scene a really aliased sphere destroyed everything.

therefor it sucks.
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 03:28:25 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
POLL: Do Visualice's Demos Need a Cheat Sheet?

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added on the 2007-02-19 03:48:44 by eye eye
eye^PaC: stop that retarded shit on all Visualice prods already...
added on the 2007-02-19 03:50:48 by keops keops
Dunno if it fits the scene standards but I enjyed it. :thumb: Sorry, haven't read the other comments yet.
Thanks for the video.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 03:50:57 by ie ie
keops, too late. :) But why don't you just click at "No" if you consider the demo really self-explaining?
added on the 2007-02-19 03:54:35 by eye eye
what the hell is a cheat sheet anyway.
added on the 2007-02-19 04:29:50 by dipswitch dipswitch
An atmosphere that can only be created by Visualice.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 06:49:27 by chromag chromag
Same stuff seen dozens of times, only with slower pace and some really ugly parts (not to mention that I hate ambiental music). I want my Liquid...Wen back!
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 07:26:32 by shash shash
I feel pity for the cynics, for their realm of experience is tragically limited.


After the compo, I had a discussion with a friend, who thought the demo looked too slick and "plastic". And I do understand his point of view. I myself often find certain types of "dark" demos to be hindered by the unintendedly polished and obviously computer generated modern demo look.

However, this doesn't apply here. 828's darkness is a whole other type of darkness.

In the context of art, there is a set of obvious immediate connotations with the word "dark". Gloomy, gritty, desperate, hopeless, depressing. This is somewhat unfortunate, since there are more shades of dark than that. This is most evident in dark ambient music, where dark tones are utilized to convey a rather broad spectrum of atmospheres. From ritualistic ambient concerning the spirits of the earth to cosmic sound constructions dealing with visions of the immeasurable unknown, darkness is used to evoke visions of forces that are vast, remorseless and immensely dwarfing to us, but not necessarily malevolent.

To me, 828 is an exceptionally fine example of space mysticism, a visual representation of incomprehensible forces and protocols at work beyond our range of vision, both spatially and dimensionally. Harsh burnthrough contrasts, noise layers, smudgy blurs - tools that are well tested and fine wherever grittiness is desired - would only have cheapened the experience here.

Or maybe I've got it all wrong. I have the freedom to do that. That's the beauty of art.

What I'm certainly 100% right about, though, is that this thing is fucking heavy.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 07:50:51 by jobe jobe
again, another surperb prod i ever seen from fr altho there are guys who commeted alot above against it. sure, they are tired of precombusions in and out of parties, maybe time to manipulate some prods conviencable themselves:) sure, they will.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 08:08:24 by sunnm sunnm
hm.. the soundtrack is perfect but the visuals.. most of the time i couldnt tell what was going on, which in a way is interesting. but atleast the scenes didnt have that cheap feel like some recent fr intros
added on the 2007-02-19 08:33:13 by hollowman hollowman
i dont like the soundrack, some of the visuals are ok, others not. technically its good. so....
added on the 2007-02-19 08:42:27 by NuKem NuKem
amazing soundtrack and crappy on the technical side.
cant thumb it down coz of the sound
added on the 2007-02-19 08:48:03 by xeNusion xeNusion
i bet in making of this demo they smoked alot of fjolletobak!
added on the 2007-02-19 08:54:12 by Muerto Muerto
I think I didn't get it... or it's just not the style of demo I like...
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 09:00:52 by crYpe crYpe
thanks for the experience
good work!
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 10:06:06 by elkmoose elkmoose
I normaly doesn't like ambient demos, but this was really beautiful. Total WOW-element reached.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 10:26:25 by blueflame blueflame
not working in vista. get a black screen after load bar and windows reports that display driver has stopped responding and needs to be reset. tried with all the settings. running with 7600gs and latest 64bit nvidia drivers (yes i realize its my own fault for running vista but im too lazy to reboot into xp :P)
added on the 2007-02-19 10:30:08 by MarvinPA MarvinPA
ok tracked down the problem now. it works when you set the ratio to 4:3 but chaning it to 16:10 or anything different results in it not working. weird bug indeed...
added on the 2007-02-19 10:34:32 by MarvinPA MarvinPA
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 10:44:28 by toxie toxie
I get a system memory dump, No sweat I'll just wait for the final version, Has this been tested on Gforce FX series?
added on the 2007-02-19 10:44:38 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
Well, new demos in February certainly get some attention !

May I say that I am with the people who didn't like the demo. I actually didn't like it at all. First of all it is completely derivative and it shows. Some mention the similarities to "Deities" (or other recent MFX/Kewlers demos), which is an excellent demo - true to form of ambience, with a killer soundtrack and beautiful visual effects. 828 has none of these qualities. There are things that we have seen before since the days of 'Liquid wen' (which I also didn't like much - Variform was ripped that year): Multiple of blended polygons rotating in phase with the odd 3D object textured by some perlin noise or something. No progression, no transition, no scope. Chimera (which was also compared to) AT LEAST had some progression and followed the 'less is more' in a manner I have never seen before or after that. Only black and red, yes, but you still wanted to see what will happen at the end. I don't want to see what happens at the end of 828 because I bet that it will be the first scene of the demo + some layers of low render-to-textured green distorted spikeballs on top; with the same loop of noise playing in the background.

Sorry for not liking this demo but this is my subjective opinion.
added on the 2007-02-19 10:49:38 by Navis Navis
Tries to pull up an atmosphere, but fails abominably.
Must agree with most of Navis' statements.
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 10:57:25 by d0DgE d0DgE
iam second Navis here.
Sorry for not liking this demo but this is my subjective opinion.
added on the 2007-02-19 10:58:43 by NuKem NuKem
I like the sound and the dark atmosphere.

+the blue water (bubbles) effect i find very cool :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 11:08:45 by quickyman quickyman
jobe's comment is 100% spot on with my own opinions on this prod. I can understand some people not liking this, but i for one love this unconditionally.. maybe its the vastness and alienness of it all and the knowledge of how much time and effort was put into this (the first time i saw a version of this demo was in july 2006 already)

One thing i'm very surprised are the myriad comments comparing this to some of our (mfx's) works. I fail to see any true connection (or ripping/copying as some people insinuate) even though this and some of our demos (deities, aether, golem) share some of the same themes.
added on the 2007-02-19 11:17:02 by uncle-x uncle-x
oh and another thing. I find rather depressing the attack on Bonzaj, who is the last person ever to get bitter from someone elses success...
added on the 2007-02-19 11:20:42 by Navis Navis
Didn't need sleeping pills after watching this one.

It's probably like watching children's paintings vs. abstract art: You have to be a conaisseur to appreciate and acknowledge what sets the abstract painter apart from the playful child.

Ánd I prefer the plauful child, it seems...

I couldn't help but thinking: "What Bitarts film festival are Farbrausch planning to win some money at with this one?", hehe.

And, am I the only one who thought "Hey, Sony/Ericcson" when that green-ish ball appeared at the beginning? ;)
as a dark ambient demo, it's a good piece. really consistent in some places and not so consistent in others, but that's nothing new. i wasn't bored by it, but it walks on the balancing line between "dull" and "prefectly syncroniced. sometimes it has it's foot on one side of the line, sometimes on the other, but never "full on" of either.

i really fail to see how this demo could have managed to get all of pouet in heated debate. it's not "boring crap" as some say, and it isn't "the best demo ever" either.
added on the 2007-02-19 11:45:15 by gloom gloom
What exactly was that? No music at all ... almost no effects at all (the bubble-particle thing was nice, as was the sparks scene with the half-rings). I thing "pointless" describes it perfectly.

Also... what sort of misguided idiot records a video at 60 fps and wastes so much bandwidth for nothing?
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 11:47:53 by Nuclear Nuclear
P.S. btw I'm *not* "sorry" for not liking this, kiss my ass
added on the 2007-02-19 11:55:36 by Nuclear Nuclear
quite nice demo :)
added on the 2007-02-19 11:55:58 by pantaloon pantaloon
For the technical side, it looks like we were in the 2000, what doesn't help much. I'm sorry, some people are as sensitive to the concept of a demo as much as I am to the technical quallity.

For the content, as far as I can interact with this demo, I feel I allready saw this many times in the past - nothing new.

I can understand some people likes it.

But I don't follow the "insane amount of content" joke.

For me making the effort to release a demo is allways valuable however. So a piggy.
added on the 2007-02-19 11:56:33 by iq iq
Watched it for second time (this time at home) and I must admit it's not total bullshit, like I felt it was during the compo.

And now I have very mixed feeling about this one.
I the other hand it has dark atmoshpere, some twisted and innovative ideas, good soundtrack and at some points it's very well directed.
But then there are reasons why I think I won't be watching it ever again. I think it's too long and doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. In other words it's boring. Couldn't care less if "boring" is a creative comment or not, but during this demo I felt both entertained and bored at the same time.

Doesn't really deserve a piggie, but both thumb up and thumb down.
added on the 2007-02-19 11:59:24 by sauli sauli
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 12:29:10 by Pit Pit
This is absoluterly wonderful.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 12:40:03 by willbe willbe
this is trip to weird world... very beautiful dark dream where nothing makes sense... some messages that you cannot see. i think some of my dreams looks like this sometimes, it doesnt make any sense... you approach something and it turns into something different, changes form... very good
added on the 2007-02-19 13:21:23 by uns3en_ uns3en_
Not great, but overall it was quite a nice trip...
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 14:04:10 by darXtar darXtar
Stunning! Great direction, scenes and atmosphere, it flows superbly, and the sound was top notch too (was that a bit of the sound track from hjb's art i heard?)

To me, this is what visualice's stuff should be like - great use of colour, composition and movement but without the usual camera crashing through objects etc.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 14:05:37 by psonice psonice
at first sight I'd say *yawn*
That'll be a piggy for me until I seeif it grows on me with time.
added on the 2007-02-19 14:33:33 by p01 p01
This is simply b-e-a-utiful :)
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 14:43:39 by prophet prophet
I'm gonna get some flames up along my ass now, but I think I some references to FF7 in there.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:03:45 by nitro2k01 nitro2k01
...think I see...
added on the 2007-02-19 16:04:06 by nitro2k01 nitro2k01
gave me shivers.

and i dont get the talk about artifacts and glitches. ok its not perfectly designed but at least visu is not flying through polys anymore. :) and it is SO OBVIOUS that the nearest neighbor-filtering supposed to be there. he could have turned it off, its one click in wz3.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:15:22 by cp_ cp_
very, very, very good.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:18:24 by chavez chavez
Gave me the Jeepers.
Excellent atmosphere, super visuals, different and I loved that. Big thumb!
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:26:36 by cerror cerror
unsi you got some really badly textured dreams then
added on the 2007-02-19 16:38:53 by xeNusion xeNusion
i watch films that have glitches around and poor visual quality, read comics on some cheap paper and like to listen to some old albums that aren't clean in all frequencies i can hear.

but i nevertheless enjoy them a lot, and i can see why some can't.

828 is one of the best demos ever made.
but still, not as good as liquid wen.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:48:32 by anesthetic anesthetic
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 16:51:31 by Virgill Virgill
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 17:12:39 by hfr hfr
i was just typing a long comment to this. but now i just want to say one word. boring!
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 17:19:49 by Fzool Fzool
occasionally it really reaches you.
but the glitches doesn't work in its favour.
added on the 2007-02-19 18:06:54 by sofokles sofokles
My eyes liked it, my ears fell asleep. Overall it was a bit boring. Thumb up for Visualice anyway.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 18:52:41 by Maissi Maissi
Navis: I agree with you also.. There are just more than one way to look at this demo and people should respect eachother oppinions.. Let everybody scene happy with eachother.. peace ! :)
added on the 2007-02-19 19:10:55 by magic magic
With all due respect for the free expression of opinions, anyone who states someone is trying to keep the community back with their work is fair game for some amount of verbal retaliation.
added on the 2007-02-19 19:23:31 by jobe jobe
It has some atmosphere and several scenes, it truly gets me in and quite unique demo than the other fr releases. I was expecting something different reading some of the comments, but I got something better. Though, I am not sure it desreves so many cdc but wtf?!
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 19:31:22 by Optimus Optimus
hmm, in less than 48hrs popularity: 2 % :)
added on the 2007-02-19 19:49:37 by bdk bdk
I'll keep it short:
art is not what you see
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 20:05:55 by EviL EviL
Beatuiful scenes. But it doesn't feel like a demo without music..
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 20:38:20 by evil evil
Some of the scenes were extremely beautiful, at least for a few seconds. But then there were other scenes that looked somewhat "let's put some 3d objects together and add a noise texture". But what kills this demo for me is that I utterly fail to see the concept. I only see random "dark" scenes put together that do not link well in my opinion.

This demo is far better than many things I voted as rulez. Still this demo did not work for me.
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 22:15:34 by chock chock
Great scenes.
But where's the MUSIC!?
rulez added on the 2007-02-19 22:54:24 by Cosmocat Cosmocat
Typical boring Visualize stuff, this time he seems to have collected all his experiments into some messy randomized crap. No musicians bothered to make a tune for this crap it seems like. This seems like a Haurausch prod.
sucks added on the 2007-02-19 23:32:44 by Zplex Zplex
this is good
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 00:00:43 by marek marek
Overrated in my eyes. Looks like a big patchwork of a pile of random scene. Lacks of design and concept. No thumb down because the soundtrack and some of these random scenes were quite nice.
added on the 2007-02-20 00:18:26 by tR tR

Typical boring Visualize stuff, this time he seems to have collected all his experiments into some messy randomized crap

+500. Respect!
added on the 2007-02-20 00:47:25 by bitl bitl
I feel pity for the cynics, for their realm of experience is tragically limited.

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Yeah, okay... I'll just let that one fly for now. Or wait, no... shut up.

Far too many scenes are completely devoid of any clear direction, which apparently make it very easy for some to intepret a chasm of deeper meaning. If this was what Timo was aiming for, kudos to him. But people really ought to stop looking down their noses at whatever other people get from a nearly blank canvas.

A lot of the impact this demo obviously had was experienced with a big screen and a subwoofer the size of jumalauta's member list. CDC dispensers might want to take note of that.
added on the 2007-02-20 01:30:05 by Shifter Shifter
Whooohooo. A FR Demo which runs on my PC without probs. Usually they cause some friggin errors. Thumbs up 4 hat one.
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 01:56:52 by uncle_H uncle_H
ups. there is a T missing.
My cat says... *meow*
added on the 2007-02-20 02:02:43 by uncle_H uncle_H
I am not convinced. Some of the imagery is very good. Most is mediocre. Some is very poor.

I think perhaps on a big-screen with a powerful sound system this could have been very effective. I like experimentation on demos, and this one scores reasonably well on that front.

I also think that If there are ideas behind this work, they are poorly expressed. My harsher side leads me to believe the content of this demo is largely the result of a simplistic over indulgence in artistic intuition, mixed with the interpretation of "nearly structure" (on behalf of the audience as well as the creators).

Not crap, because it looks nice at parts, but that, imo, is all there is to it.
added on the 2007-02-20 02:24:10 by pdx pdx
a lot better when watching this sober

not a demo of the year, or decade, or anything, for me though. but hey, we're all allowed to have differing opinions, aren't we? .. aren't we..?
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 02:43:53 by ricky martin ricky martin
There's never been anything like it! It's almost creepy, but that's not a bad thing. I love it!
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 02:52:34 by Steohawk Steohawk
holy smokes, just tried watching this one in the dark. seriously creepy stuff!
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 03:10:46 by kusma kusma
Top stuff! More darkness! :D
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 03:44:45 by rc55 rc55
my demo-senses are so NOT tingling.
sucks added on the 2007-02-20 08:05:16 by praetor_alpha praetor_alpha
Yeah, okay... I'll just let that one fly for now. Or wait, no... shut up.


Far too many scenes are completely devoid of any clear direction, which apparently make it very easy for some to intepret a chasm of deeper meaning. If this was what Timo was aiming for, kudos to him. But people really ought to stop looking down their noses at whatever other people get from a nearly blank canvas.

And where did you get the idea that that remark was broadly aimed at everyone who dislikes this prod? Taste is subjective, but when people start suggesting shallow intentions and questionable motivations based on their own tastes - as a few people have done here - I'm going to exercise my fucking right to feel better about myself.

A lot of the impact this demo obviously had was experienced with a big screen and a subwoofer the size of jumalauta's member list. CDC dispensers might want to take note of that.

And a lot of that impact was diminished by the use of alcohol. Just watched this at home yesterday. Worked even better. I've already decided where my next CDC is going, and it isn't this demo, but if I decide to change my mind, I bloody well am not going to listen to one word the "prod X only deserves Y CDC" police has to say.
added on the 2007-02-20 08:33:04 by jobe jobe
And principally I'm against going ad hominem, but this is Pouet, so fuck it: You yourself have a tendency to scoff at people for their praise over some production, ie. "looking down your nose at whatever other people get from a nearly blank canvas". The only major difference between my contempt for the philistine and your contempt for the art faggot is that mine is more thinly veiled.
added on the 2007-02-20 08:53:56 by jobe jobe
rulezcdc added on the 2007-02-20 09:23:16 by lithis lithis
What praetor_alpha said. So I'll refrain from evaluating it as one.
added on the 2007-02-20 09:55:05 by Archmage Archmage
And where did you get the idea that that remark was broadly aimed at everyone who dislikes this prod?

Pop quiz: do you think I was talking about your reaction alone?

And a lot of that impact was diminished by the use of alcohol.

For you, maybe.

The only major difference between my contempt for the philistine and your contempt for the art faggot is that mine is more thinly veiled.

This is true, by a margin of only the thinnest of veils, in this case.
added on the 2007-02-20 12:19:57 by Shifter Shifter
great music, great gfx, great atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 12:49:47 by kimi kardashian kimi kardashian
Pop quiz: do you think I was talking about your reaction alone?

I assumed you mostly were. Perhaps I was wrong, then.

For you, maybe.

Well it was a demoparty. And a Finnish one at that.
added on the 2007-02-20 13:21:20 by jobe jobe
at breeze it took us some time to get it working... someone forgot to read ryg's comments :)

after waiting about 15 minutes and knowing about all the cdc's we watched the demo eagerly waiting for the wow effect.

didn't happen for me. fucking cdc's blew my expectations towards the demo. that and watching it on sunday morning with a hangover.

still, mad props for werkkkkzeug3 usage and creation, image quality was niiiice - yeah fucking layers - and the music had so much bass that the lamps in the ceiling started vibrating. that was cool.
rulez added on the 2007-02-20 14:22:52 by jeenio jeenio
props for the usage of a demotool/demomaker -_O ?!
added on the 2007-02-20 14:30:18 by d0DgE d0DgE
Hmmm, just a boring scene version of "2001 - Space Odyssey's" final minutes?

Some scenes are really beautiful, some are like interesting art, and some are just... boring. The "music" seems to fit the atmosphere but fails to connect the different scenes to a great demo.

Not for everyone, not for me, but you should watch it.
added on the 2007-02-20 18:23:45 by imYemeth imYemeth
Wow, that was weird.
rulezcdc added on the 2007-02-20 19:51:53 by elmindreda elmindreda
Ich weiss nicht. Hab ich was verpasst? Selten so ne langweilige Aneinanderreihung von gutem Code gesehen... At least a piggy for clean and prosper routines...
added on the 2007-02-21 00:01:06 by vscd vscd
Some nice visuals, but boring.
sucks added on the 2007-02-21 00:06:00 by lug00ber lug00ber
i think this is the first time ever when chaoses code doesnt work on my machine. thats quite shameful, dare say it's not.
added on the 2007-02-21 00:10:32 by apricot apricot
aight guys, there's the nfo and its purpose is to mention all the bugs and requirements, would you please use it like this next time, ok ?

regarding the demo itself: it's very good, to i'm quite concerned some substances have to be credited.
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 00:24:10 by apricot apricot
Well it was a demoparty. And a Finnish one at that.

I think the point is that alcohol typically strengthens the resolve of people at demo compos. I vividly recall far too many finnish demosceners lament the flow of beer and winnerdemo at breakpoint 2004.

*disco move*
added on the 2007-02-21 01:19:57 by Shifter Shifter
Well, it's not my cup of tea.

Actually, I was waiting for the "starting" of the demo, and it never comes : it's look like a video game introduction.

Technically top-notch, but boring.
I need "movement" (:p), so I liked a bit the sphere+plate part, but the rest is definitely too slow/experimental/artistic/whateveryouwant for me, I probably didn't get the point of the demo :\.
added on the 2007-02-21 03:55:05 by wullon wullon
I think the point is that alcohol typically strengthens the resolve of people at demo compos. I vividly recall far too many finnish demosceners lament the flow of beer and winnerdemo at breakpoint 2004.

It's true that alcohol makes democompos more enjoyable as an experience and heightens the social aspect, but still, in high quantities, it does decrease concentration, which I would say works in favour of immediately gratifying demos (Winnerdemo) against more atmosphere-based productions (828). Preferences differ, but still, many people I've spoke with think they'd get more out of this type of stuff at home in peace and rather see more "entertaining" stuff at compos.

Of course, I fully expect someone to say "whoa I just watched this while stoned" within 20 comments, utterly destroying my theory.
added on the 2007-02-21 06:54:17 by jobe jobe
I like this... realy... realy... supA cool demo!!!
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 11:24:14 by Simon^CPU Simon^CPU
whoa i just watched this while stoned!
added on the 2007-02-21 11:38:47 by psenough psenough
you are stoned 11 in the morning? =)
added on the 2007-02-21 11:40:02 by dipswitch dipswitch
im at work, close enough..
added on the 2007-02-21 11:51:31 by psenough psenough
you're stoned at work??!!!
added on the 2007-02-21 12:07:28 by nosfe nosfe
i'm a bit surprised that this one is getting THAT many CDC's and being called the best demo in years. However, I totally love the ambiance and creepy mood, plus Visualice's artwork is impressive once again. Big lollypop to all of you.
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 12:12:18 by Axel Axel
nosfe: i need my fix just to live through all these comments ;)
added on the 2007-02-21 12:17:04 by psenough psenough
very tripping ;)
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 12:19:19 by habr100 habr100
farjobb rules.
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 13:49:44 by Caf Caf
i think jobe and shifter have way too big a vocabulary!
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 13:57:59 by skrebbel skrebbel
added on the 2007-02-21 14:27:29 by Pegan Pegan
I'll refrain from commenting on the demo as a whole as it didn't manage to reach me at all.

Massive kudos though for the audio engineering. Yeah it's not music.. but it's very smoothly produced and very fitting.
added on the 2007-02-21 14:52:54 by aMUSiC aMUSiC
rulez added on the 2007-02-21 16:10:41 by mg mg
it's cool but indeed 2001's final minutes are better.. and on the technical side there's also nothing truly stunning.. if it was a 64k it would be a surefire thumbs up case, though.
added on the 2007-02-21 21:37:46 by earx earx
Just watched this first time at home after the party. Still fucking awesome.
added on the 2007-02-22 00:50:49 by teel teel
I realize that some of you think that demoscene is amateurish, and you're right. But it's mostly because you want to stay in this sauce. It's easier to not watch productions from other sources than demoscene because they're simply better. What worries me is that this production is plain ugly, does have nothing in similar with art and has a lot of artifacts which can be easly to spot. The problem is that some people that have built their respect in the past are now using the same old effects. Like smash has already said the whole production is old and stale, but some FR grouppies are still active. It's just sad that people who were once building this society with fresh ideas are now trying to keep it in the form it used to be back in 1999-2002 (the infamous "liquid... wen?" demo). Demosceners! The world is turning around and believe me that sometimes it is good to change sth. And there are groups and productions that bring sth new. But not this prod. Quit with the CDC and best demo of the year/ever thing. Check some other communities and see that we need to put a "little" more effort, if we don't want to get rotten and forgotten.
I believe Farbrausch can do better than this.

I can't agree more with that.
added on the 2007-02-22 01:07:02 by mrdoob mrdoob
whoa i just watched this while stoned!

Quit trying to sleaze into our good books and stop making Jobe's points lose their value, you emo piece of shit. Stay in Porto, leave us alone!

It's true that alcohol makes democompos more enjoyable as an experience and heightens the social aspect, but still, in high quantities, it does decrease concentration, which I would say works in favour of immediately gratifying demos (Winnerdemo) against more atmosphere-based productions (828).

This is where you're slightly wrong -the alcohol is simpy a catalyst for rash judgement, no more and no less.

Also, if you're coming to BP this year, you might be the only reason for me to bother showing up -I'd owe you a beer for being the most reasonable person in this clusterfuck :)
added on the 2007-02-22 01:24:15 by Shifter Shifter
holy shit.

this is new. this is a big deal... a revolution.

i can understand how the audience responded with stunned silence. it's not minimal, or for that matter, thematic. there is content, but no message. it's not an "alternative" to any certain type of demo. it takes everything from the past several years of demos, puts it in a blender, and returns it in a totally new form. effects, 2d, 3d.. everything about demomaking is in fact here, just in a strange way.. and not noisy so it disturbs you, but slow and ambient so it draws you in. i haven't stared at my screen like that in a long time. believe it or not, not just anybody can pull off something like this. visualice, i salute you.

p.s. have a subwoofer.

p.p.s. for the record, i hated chimera, and i'm fine with most "mainstream" (whatever the hell that is, anymore) effect-centric demos.
rulez added on the 2007-02-22 01:46:48 by phoenix phoenix
p.p.s. for the record, i hated chimera, and i'm fine with most "mainstream" (whatever the hell that is, anymore) effect-centric demos.

I know Chimera is still the lanyard of navel gazing artsy-farsty people, but after such a creamy, rich subjective opinion piece, do we need this? It's like me trying to excuse the fact that Starstruck is the best thing that happened in the PC demoscene last year. :)
added on the 2007-02-22 02:36:18 by Shifter Shifter
Quit trying to sleaze into our good books and stop making Jobe's points lose their value, you emo piece of shit. Stay in Porto, leave us alone!

you decrepit Shifter, don't even venture wring a (dark'n'long) hair of our poor child ps. you might regret your haughtiness!

(did i properly grasp the irony? uhm... evil doubts)
added on the 2007-02-22 03:59:56 by rmeht rmeht
okay, i don't like it and this is my personal opinion.

[+] nice fx i guess
[+] strangeness aspect
[+] a new datafile format for my reverser side

[-] code (crashed 3 times before running)
[-] music, direction (boring, i quit)
[-] size (where is my 64k demogroup ?!)
added on the 2007-02-22 12:29:05 by SilkCut SilkCut
[-] size (where is my 64k demogroup ?!)

track_extend.ogg 10751121 bytes.

but honestly, who gives a sh*t? this is a demo not an intro ffs!
added on the 2007-02-22 15:52:17 by ryg ryg
I'm too lazy to search the forum, but I had issues running this on my new laptop. First, it seems to just give a black screen if I choose 16:10 aspect ratio, and secondly, if I enable 4x antialiasing, I get an error during loading (I have a screenshot of the error message at home, but it triggered in ../_start.cpp:2828 IIRC). It might be that 4x isn't supported on my gpu (GeForce go 7400 - I think it is though...), but shouldn't in that case the aa-mode be removed from the gui?
added on the 2007-02-22 16:22:01 by kusma kusma
the aspect ratio thingy is a stupid bug and will be fixed soon. the error you get with 4x antialiasing is "out of video memory" - has to do with too many rendertargets being allocated, and some of them rather late (yeah, stupid, i know). i'm working on it. sound issues are somewhat more mysterious (since we can't reproduce them on our machines), but we'll see what we can do.
added on the 2007-02-22 16:26:13 by ryg ryg
Extremely cool visuals! Now, if only the music would have been less boring it would have been a masterpiece for me.
added on the 2007-02-22 16:46:28 by StingRay StingRay
I admit I'm a fan from FR guys, and Visualice.
So my first impresion might not be so objective.
I'll try.

I dislike the clean and sharp edges feeling, of the whole masterpiece.
+ Concentrical arc rotating, with ray-beam particles.
+ blue sperm particles
+ end blurry particles
+ final credits

Nothing to say about the engine,tools,script: simple amazing.

16:9 version rocks!..4me boosts the ambience atmosfere, rather than straight fullscreen.
rulez added on the 2007-02-22 20:15:05 by JaK JaK
it's very very cool. some scenes are really imaginative (especially from 2:00 to 5:00) and the music fits perfect.

what i disliked is that the demo as a whole is in the end just a concatenation of "weird" scenes - which itself wouldn't much of a problem if there weren't such a lot of them. less would've been more.

rulez added on the 2007-02-22 22:10:33 by degauss degauss
@ryg, i said this was my personal opinion, _I_ give a shit about the size. ffs.

I add to my comment, that the strangeness I found in this prod was the dark ambiance (as said in the flamethread by someone), I like this.
added on the 2007-02-23 00:46:16 by SilkCut SilkCut
I't remembers me of an anime-serie called BLAME. One season of BLAME is just as wierd and "nothing saying" piece of art like this.

Good work guys!!
rulez added on the 2007-02-23 10:55:16 by krimble krimble
most boring stuff ever!

and where is the music?
sucks added on the 2007-02-23 12:39:12 by Kassoulet Kassoulet
Surely well done, but not exactly my cup of coffee. Piggy.
added on the 2007-02-23 13:05:00 by sobec sobec
Visualice Cannabis!
rulez added on the 2007-02-23 13:27:39 by moredhel moredhel
rulez added on the 2007-02-23 17:28:10 by iks iks
i almost feel ashamed of saying i didn't like it... gotta watch the .avi, maybe it's my graphic adaptor's faut. -.-''
added on the 2007-02-23 17:55:43 by soolta soolta
[+] a new datafile format for my reverser side

Ehm... .kx was previously used in other fr prods... Of spirits taken is the one I remember now.
added on the 2007-02-23 18:01:14 by stage7 stage7
Ok, i agree with the above posters about visualice's skills, but...

- Virgill is getting better again, but this demo soundtrack has the common problem of "going nowhere" and the lyrics simply don't fit. Please do more masterpieces like "I'm free" and stay away from the senselessness of your "hire" works (must I say wonderhere? :)

- There is absolutely NO evolution in style from all the older haujobb demos. It's nothing more than a beautiful, but absolutely senseless show of 3d objects with layers above. No single good hand-coded effect, just again the artsy form of a boring 3d flyby - and no difference to art or mosaik or moments or whatever.

I won't thumb this up or down. I won't watch thi again. It was just too irrelevant.


Still, well, despite of the marvellous work of the graphicians (nice to see that visualice is actually able to create a different picture than always the same again), i categorize this as "boring 3d keyframer", sorry. It doesn't do anything more than fly around static 3d scenes. And that's no art.
added on the 2007-02-23 19:14:34 by Hatikvah Hatikvah
@stage7: but i started studying file format concerning demoscene datafile after they released it, anyway who gives a sh*t heh..
added on the 2007-02-23 19:40:03 by SilkCut SilkCut
I liked the visuals, which kept me watching the whole demo instead of hitting esc, but it would be far cooler if the soundtrack had some music in it :(
added on the 2007-02-23 22:35:46 by slack slack
Too sharp, too "linear", as what regards animations and movements (cameras and objects)... Long, boring. Some colors are ugly. The final credit scene is awesome. Anyways, I started to think it is a joke, all this hipe around this demo, after the first watching... Well...
added on the 2007-02-23 22:57:13 by soolta soolta
I love this prod. It's one of my favourite audio-visual works. But it's not a demo, and I can't judge it as a demo. It's not why I've been following the demoscene since I grew fond of those cracktros on my A500. As a demo, it gets a thumb down.

I'd elaborate on that, but I think most people here understand what I mean.

About the work itself...
When it managed to make that sphere near the beginning disappear without me noticing right away, I knew it was going to be something special.
I sat back and was mesmerised. Like with most abstract art, I'm not one of the people who tries to interpret things consciously, or pretends to know what they mean. Just let it enter your subconscious, and it will either evoke feelings or it wont.

This is not Another Haujobb Demo. A lot of the later Haujobb prods just left me cold, like sequels of a big movie franchise with no love. This one offers me something, and I know I'll be able to come back to it and feel it inside me again and again.

Shame it could probably be more powerful if the technical aspects of the graphics were less... 2002 ;P
rulez added on the 2007-02-23 23:32:03 by nagato^ nagato^
"could not create screen" !!?!?
added on the 2007-02-24 00:17:42 by darkus darkus
TO ANYONE WHO GETS THE DIRECTX ERROR: Turn multisampling down (2x or none). This demo needs lots of VRAM. Working on a fix...
added on the 2007-02-18 by ryg

For the chronicles: I was able to run this by disabling multisampling AND by choosing 4:3 aspect ratio (16:10, wich is the right one for my sys, didn't work...).

added on the 2007-02-24 00:30:56 by bdk bdk
love the visuals, love the music
demo art at it's best
rulez added on the 2007-02-24 04:20:44 by duffman duffman
everything has been said before.
added on the 2007-02-24 09:41:11 by baerb^kat baerb^kat
Wonderful, weird, original.
rulez added on the 2007-02-24 14:28:44 by abyss abyss
well done
rulez added on the 2007-02-24 18:23:23 by marlowe marlowe
There was a part of 2001 A Space Odyssey (the book), where Clarke described a trip of mind almost like this. The movie was very goofy there (well, '68...). I think this demo would fit there much better. Awesome prod.
rulez added on the 2007-02-24 19:02:45 by jimmi jimmi
Slow type of demo with atmosphere audio (no music).
added on the 2007-02-24 20:31:35 by AntDude AntDude
obtrusively myterious
sucks added on the 2007-02-25 02:13:44 by EarlGrey EarlGrey
Visuals were quite interesting, but where is music?
added on the 2007-02-25 08:41:49 by dimouse dimouse
i guess it makes a huge difference when you see it on the big screen for the first time
great modern demo
rulez added on the 2007-02-25 13:27:17 by dila dila
mostly pure mindcandy. Yay for Visualice!
rulez added on the 2007-02-25 16:04:48 by Paralax Paralax
rulez added on the 2007-02-25 21:42:50 by Ayo Ayo
Nice feeling, but technically harsh. I am starting to wonder if it is deliberately done since I know FB can do a lot better then this? And if it is done with a purpose, I dont get it...
added on the 2007-02-25 22:48:43 by Happy-H Happy-H
great audiovisual trip.
rulez added on the 2007-02-25 23:27:36 by substrate substrate
rulez added on the 2007-02-26 07:51:16 by pasy pasy
minus 5 years from now on, 80% of the thumb-upperers would have hated this one.

conclusion: d/a is slightly turning into pop. but it's justified for this one. neat musick, if i may add.
rulez added on the 2007-02-26 18:11:23 by dalezr dalezr
Well, it's great.
rulez added on the 2007-02-27 00:17:09 by sagacity sagacity
++ polished
+ good scoring (musics)
+ arty
- lack of scene order cohesion?
+ no PS 2.0
+ a great effort. Glad to see demos this well finished and headed in this direction

An awesome demo, but definitely NOT "the best in years"
rulez added on the 2007-02-27 22:48:11 by Gaia Gaia
I like experiments like this one.
Perfection is not required.
added on the 2007-02-27 22:51:36 by ham ham
i really don't like that.

btw. when changing aspect ration from default to anything else, all i can see is a blank screen (ati x1400).
sucks added on the 2007-02-28 00:47:18 by tomek tomek
omg it's fucking boooring...
sucks added on the 2007-02-28 12:40:08 by Zone (leZone) Zone (leZone)
Shit, I spend ages trying to kkapture this and only get a black screen, and now I find it's a bug if you choose 16:9!

Ryg: will you be adding more screen resolutions (i.e. 16:9/10 ones :) when you fix it? And will the video memory requirements come down a bit? Not important of course so long as the demo is still watchable, but would be nice. Also, I've not read through all the comments, but are the 'no music' comments referring to a bug, or lack of melody in the audio? No point testing for the latter.
added on the 2007-02-28 13:59:11 by psonice psonice
psonice: lack of melody :) no bug on the music (except it stuttering at some parts if vsync is on for lowend machines)
added on the 2007-02-28 14:03:06 by psenough psenough
+good gfx
sucks added on the 2007-02-28 14:09:05 by chenmy! chenmy!
great piece of work.. builds massive atmosphere.. something most demos fail to establish.
rulez added on the 2007-02-28 14:19:13 by mad mad
psionice: no new screen resolutions (probably). aspect ratio bug is fixed (duh, that was stupid) and so are vidmem requirements for the most bit (still hunting down one weird bug). the stuttering/vsync bug is COMPLETELY weird, i'll try to fix that one too, but so far i haven't been able to reproduce it.
added on the 2007-02-28 18:00:27 by ryg ryg
what a crap... :(
sucks added on the 2007-02-28 21:42:26 by myco myco
rulez added on the 2007-03-01 04:11:49 by [ProToS] [ProToS]
i adore this demo.
it's long, slow, macabre, imperfect.
the soundtrack is haunting.
the visuals are evoking a lot of things.
rulez added on the 2007-03-02 11:34:41 by florent florent
you sick motherfuckers
rulez added on the 2007-03-02 12:28:23 by red red
i think it's more than ok but my first impression - it suck... so piggie
added on the 2007-03-02 12:38:07 by zeebr zeebr
sucks added on the 2007-03-02 17:42:28 by Orion_ Orion_
Not sure i know where to start with this one. I can't decide if its wrong for all the right reasons or the complete reverse?

Lovely visuals but way too moody for my liking and I had to hit ESC before the end.

Also, black screens on 16:9 on my set-up.
added on the 2007-03-03 22:12:07 by Knacker Knacker
too much slow for me...
added on the 2007-03-04 00:18:00 by sokoban sokoban
It's quite boring, usual Visualice style (which is not bad, just too much here, without the music...). Still, a piggie, thanks to the blue pointsprite (?) part, that was awesome.
added on the 2007-03-05 10:17:22 by remageFrs remageFrs
sorry folks. this was a huge disappointment. Liquid Wen was many times better.
sucks added on the 2007-03-05 19:49:33 by oldaccount oldaccount
sucks added on the 2007-03-05 23:03:15 by a_lee_n a_lee_n
Nice effects, but too "noir" for my taste...
added on the 2007-03-05 23:15:46 by raer raer
And I still haven't seen it!!!
rulez added on the 2007-03-06 09:41:56 by okkie okkie
*yawn* ...didn't seen the end...
added on the 2007-03-06 13:29:18 by tobé tobé
This is actually one of the few FR demos I don't find utterly boring. Really beautiful, despite all the glitches.
rulez added on the 2007-03-06 18:04:41 by K-man K-man
Some parts were truly fascinating while others not so much. A good demo but not the greatest one ever made.
rulez added on the 2007-03-06 18:33:09 by noid noid
What an intense atmo in this. Too bad it doesn't grow up to be resolved to a final point. My thought about demos is that they need to be entertaining, not just art. You can't simply eat 5 mn+ of moving images without a past, current, and final action. Without those rules, I am afraid it'd be enough to bore you to death.

But yeah, this is amazing work. Just love the visuals. Well done :)
rulez added on the 2007-03-06 19:12:50 by oxb oxb
Impressive, but boring... Maybe with music (not just ambient sounds) and a bit of smoothness between parts i would like it.
added on the 2007-03-07 03:33:17 by mogu mogu
A black and white demo in 2007? What the heck are you guys on....
sucks added on the 2007-03-07 05:03:08 by Mike 3D Mike 3D
rulez added on the 2007-03-07 18:49:40 by kempy kempy
Very nice, a tad too long for my taste though
rulez added on the 2007-03-08 12:58:53 by coma coma
nah... not for me
sucks added on the 2007-03-08 14:20:34 by bartman bartman
sucks added on the 2007-03-08 14:52:28 by aLpHa oNe aLpHa oNe
I don't see, even after several reviews, how it's possible for that pile of shit to be votet that high. Either it's a new form of sarcasm, which i'am neglecting, or it's a massive lapse in taste and the disability to look beyond the group-name.
There are 2 good scenes @ best among 10+ disastrous boring others.
It's rating is unfair compared to the other competitors as well ... Constant Glow was a far better presentation.
sucks added on the 2007-03-08 17:03:42 by muh muh
100% what muh says
sucks added on the 2007-03-08 17:07:09 by hcdlt hcdlt
after reading of muh's comment i totaly agreed with him
sucks added on the 2007-03-08 17:22:56 by zeebr zeebr
added on the 2007-03-08 17:37:05 by psenough psenough
yeah, that last one made me chuckle too. Humans. :)
added on the 2007-03-08 17:39:42 by kb_ kb_
One of my favorites!
rulezcdc added on the 2007-03-09 22:03:46 by Frequent Frequent
Didn't like it.

You see, Farbrausch (This is also my opinion about what I've seen from CNS so far):

You guys aren't a bad group. You're not. Every production you produce is original and unique in its own way.


Every producion you produce also uses the same ugly filters, overcompressed textures, and absolutely no "heart" factor.

I see your prods as empty animations. Where's half the demo spirit - CODE? Where's all the fun gone?

Keep making demos, but don't expect thumb-ups from me.
added on the 2007-03-10 04:50:05 by ferris ferris
i 100% concur with muh and Thygrion
"Every production you produce is original and unique in its own way."
yeah, because we take great pains to think of a new number for every single one of them!

"Every producion you produce also uses the same ugly filters, overcompressed textures, and absolutely no "heart" factor."
care to give a concrete example? because i honestly don't see how any of these three points applies to this demo.

"Where's half the demo spirit - CODE?"
uhm yeah, now i remember, we stopped writing code in 2001! i KNOW we forgot something!
added on the 2007-03-10 07:00:26 by ryg ryg
...to elaborate a bit: the way a lot of people are talking about this demo is extremely irritating to me. i can definitely understand why one would dislike this demo, or similarly why a lot of people just don't care for it.

i do NOT understand why there's so much discussion about purely technical aspects (like how it uses lowpoly models, uses no interesting shaders, is not effect-centric, etc). all of this is true, but it's also *completely* besides the point, because this demo is about as much about code as konsum, malpasset
and of spirits taken are.

we've done our fair share of completely code-centric and otherwise quite "soulless" productions (e.g. fr-08, candytron, kkrieger), to the point where not even us coders are really interested in it anymore.

to now see this demo, which is basically visualice pouring his soul out, called "heartless" and "empty" seems outright bizarre to me.
added on the 2007-03-10 07:41:11 by ryg ryg
Shame on you! It's disappointing... :(
sucks added on the 2007-03-10 08:07:03 by s23b s23b
Ryg: you got my compliments! Some people are just to critical.

I hope FR never stop making prods. the day FR stops the demoscene died a little..

In anyway, discusions about productions have always been there. Ask Chaos about his WoC demo from 1992 which lost from Wicked Sensation by TRSI or the TP 1994 demo which was released unfinished. Sceners always have to discuss things alot without nuances.. Dont mind them and shut them up with the next great FR release.

p.s. Maybe Werkzeug needs to be updated for this to version 4 ? :)

In ayway cheers! and see you at bp07
added on the 2007-03-10 08:22:58 by magic magic
i do NOT understand why there's so much discussion about purely technical aspects

my two cents: farbrausch has been traditionally bipolar about demos/intros - either they had a strong emphasis on the technical side with little emotional factor (the product, poem to a horse, etc.), or have been completely dire technically but with a larger level of depth (konsum, malpasset, etc.) - this of course is due to the considerable number of people in fr and of course i guess the same attitude i have: hating to repeat myself in prods.

on the other hand, what this boils down to is that you will always have a divided audience because the demoscene itself is polarized the very same way your demos are (no wonder), and some people go crazy for the latest shader trickery while others prefer something minimal that just "feels" well.

in other words, you guys have been carefully avoiding the middle ground (and rightfully so), but it comes with a price.
added on the 2007-03-10 08:28:44 by Gargaj Gargaj
I'm sorry for starting a flamefest.

I was just expressing my opinion.

Sorry if you're offended. Really, I am, I don't want to hurt anyone emotionally.

Maybe I just should've kept my mouth shut.

At least I can thumb it to try to redeem the hurt I've caused.
rulez added on the 2007-03-10 08:42:16 by ferris ferris
Maybe I'm just venting....what comes out might just be text interpretations of my thoughts on namevoting.

As I said, sorry; maybe the day we meet we can work it out, Ryg. I have alot of respect for you. I just think the same of all demotool-made prods.
added on the 2007-03-10 08:45:32 by ferris ferris
When this rolled on the big screen, the partyhall was very silent.
rulez added on the 2007-03-10 11:38:06 by megamies megamies
clearly a lot of work was put into this, but it is just too arty-farty for my taste.
added on the 2007-03-11 10:14:39 by mentor mentor
Felt like an introduction to a very strange and interesting movie. Great stuff.
rulez added on the 2007-03-12 17:02:39 by LSnK LSnK
I had to force myself to watch it til the end.
sucks added on the 2007-03-12 20:07:38 by Teehase Teehase
final? version: http://www.farbrausch.de/~fg/demos/fr-055_828_final.zip (please do not change the prod link, will upload that to the main fr website once i got enough feedback)

this should solve all reported issues, and definitely does fix the aspect ratio issues and reduces vram requirements, but i can't say about the sound problems because i'm not able to reproduce them. i've fixed something that may have caused the bug, but as said, i'm pretty clueless as to the actual reason.
added on the 2007-03-12 21:55:31 by ryg ryg
very intense
rulez added on the 2007-03-13 01:24:41 by madMixx madMixx
i love it...
rulez added on the 2007-03-13 20:02:19 by nystep nystep
finally it works on my laptop.. in all of is beauty
added on the 2007-03-13 20:10:52 by v3nom v3nom
ha! greets to Boznaj! what you would expect from those guys (Visualice + PS soundtrack) ? it is really not something you should criticize I suppose :) (only ryg will take critics to his heart because of his work on werkzueg 3) BTW greets to PS as well (you might not remember me.. but I do remember butterflies without wings).. I somehow have fun listening to noise a bit - apparently Bonzaj don't.. but well.. he has poor economical situation, you know.. he might not understand those little "perversive" pleasures that you apperently had during making of this thing...
of course I don't think it's beautiful.. and it was not the point, right ? so don't give you "rulez" sign.. whatever.. I did a little track for you: http://sphere.pl/~tomkh/sick3.mp3 <- in the same mood I guess (but Suboceanic-synth for all Suboceanic fans out there - yeah right :) )
added on the 2007-03-14 00:04:19 by tomkh tomkh
BTW werkzeug 3 - it's so funny .. you got the joke, right ?
added on the 2007-03-14 00:32:49 by tomkh tomkh
BTW now the honest review (but mostly for people that think an obvious way): I had a feeling that sometimes it should be really worth to have more freedom to polish some details.. it is really visible that you were experimenting with it a lot.. did your best.. but encountered big limitations of the "form".. I believe that it might be a bit depressing for very sensitive artists.. maybe for you as well, from my experience: I usually use "pure forms" I mean.. the simplest form possible and always have a full control over details.. I think you don't achieved it here.. but otherwise a nice try :) (a software renderer? a return of simple pure code? I know Zilog - but it's not THIS as well.. you are on a good way maybe.. not that I'm that expert.. those are just my honest opinons what "should help" in future, the direction I would like to explore as well)
added on the 2007-03-14 00:49:58 by tomkh tomkh
so yes.. I agree in Bonzaj that MFX demo was better from that point of view, although well.. c'mon - it was bad in other aspects... and crappily based on Matrix - duh - what were they thinking ? and also not polished enough... I'm sorry to say it: but well, I feel respect only to more serious artists that had great talents (and I don't feel like one of those, it's a long hard way, I'm not saying you can't achieve that).. although it is funny sometimes to watch those amateur crappy things and how people react emotionally at it - sort of like an artists school :)
added on the 2007-03-14 01:16:21 by tomkh tomkh
Nice and psychedelic, in some cases reminding me 73 million seconds by Pulse.
rulez added on the 2007-03-14 12:38:33 by valsary valsary
Thwarted! Just saw the final link, and I have a nice 17" widescreen laptop with a decent GPU handy! Perfect! Gave it a quick go.. highest res, 4x AA, 16x10. And it was running perfectly, except that the video card refused to stretch the demo itself to fill the screen (the loading bar filled it, so I don't know why not? Or is it a bug?) and worse still, I couldn't see shit because some engineer at sony thought the monitor would look better with a reflective coating! I want to watch demos mr. sony, not my own face!

So, looks to be working well, except possibly the aspect ratio, which might or might not be down to the video card or driver. It's an x700 btw, no idea on the driver version.
added on the 2007-03-14 14:28:22 by psonice psonice
psionice, your display may be widescreen, but the demo is not (it's designed for 4:3). so if you view it on a widescreen display, you get black bars on the sides. this is completely intentional and the way it's supposed to work - the aspect ratio is there to make sure that squares stay square (so to say). it doesn't change the demo itself.
added on the 2007-03-14 15:11:28 by ryg ryg
Thanks ryg, makes sense now. Any plans to use wide displays properly in future prods btw? Seems they're becoming the standard now.
added on the 2007-03-14 16:27:20 by psonice psonice
we "use them properly" in prods that natively render in widescreen mode :) (fr-025 and fr-049 for example). same thing as with videos really - the content has a certain "design aspect ratio" and we just try to display things properly without unnecessary stretching.
added on the 2007-03-14 17:00:02 by ryg ryg
Ah, had forgotten those. Raises an interesting question though. Although having typed it, I reckon it'd be better on the bbs so cut and past it is..
added on the 2007-03-15 18:04:33 by psonice psonice
piękne, ale *.exe sypie się u mnie przy początkowej prekalkulacji (P4+7600)
rulez added on the 2007-03-16 08:01:35 by yaneq yaneq
added on the 2007-03-18 16:48:59 by Mystra Mystra
Were the late Tarkovsky and Kubrick alive to see this demo, they would really-really appreciate it.
Reminded me of the space scenes in "2001: Space Odyssey" and the planet surface views in "Solyaris". I only felt artsiness-overdose at one scene.
Awesome soundtrack, too!
rulez added on the 2007-03-20 16:57:19 by Hoild Hoild
Eep! Thank you for the wonderful nightmare, guys :) I see the 2001/Kubrick influence here too. Been away from the scene for a few months, this was a lovely reunion for me!
rulez added on the 2007-03-23 17:10:18 by GltTcH GltTcH
All that can be said about this prod has been said, so I just give it my definit thumbs UP. Was Cool to see it live at ICONS.
rulez added on the 2007-03-24 14:24:01 by tFt tFt
what a satanic prod!
rulez added on the 2007-03-25 16:36:55 by puNky puNky
what the fuck ???
insane art work ?
not my taste and NOT the demo of the year. Sorry
sucks added on the 2007-03-29 20:20:57 by 6066 6066
fatal error on 2 computers :(
added on the 2007-04-02 11:15:39 by Pit Pit
pc prod of the year so far :) even better than debris if you ask me. I love the atmosphre, the art, the sound (music..?) and so on. rules! too bad is has the "missing light on textures" thing but I guess that werkkzeug3 and my pc don't want to properly cooperate (same thing on debris).
rulez added on the 2007-04-11 14:18:42 by {OdS} {OdS}
something that i want to watch for the second time. seems like a attempt to create something what was not seen before. for me, 828 fails in gaining a deeper meaning of what is displayed. even if this has to be just a parade of moreless random scenes, ok, but then it has smaller basic value. seems like farbrausch doesn't have a problem in getting superb fx to our screens like puting them together into some worthy form. gonna see it again if i understand it (perhaps).
added on the 2007-04-11 22:53:57 by crs crs
crs, never question a demo ;)
added on the 2007-04-11 23:01:14 by rp rp
Congratulations for releasing two best demo ever this year.
This final version is great, but I have two complaints: right in the begining when the sphere is moving there's some z-fighting with the ball's shadow, and I would like to see something on the side borders (alternative crop in final2?).
added on the 2007-04-11 23:05:38 by xernobyl xernobyl
underwarter particles saved it from thumb down :)
added on the 2007-04-19 11:43:47 by druggy druggy
Mixed feelings about this...

It's not that I don't like it - even though I am a graphics whore. It's just that after I saw the demo, I looked around my lab... and everything felt so alien to me. I felt like an alien to my surroundings. It was a very strange experience for me... Near the end, I admit this very ominous feeling of impeding doom had almost grown...

I can't thumb it up just yet... Very strange demo, very experimental.

ps. mini-thumb up for soundscapes...
added on the 2007-04-28 04:48:54 by suorm suorm
No matter how you put it, this is a very unique experience.
rulez added on the 2007-04-30 16:53:49 by Steel Steel
WOW!! ran this last night - best demo in a long long time, not for the masses - it's the kinda thing that should be on the warp video dvd's. Makes me think thats wot a crazy dmt trip would be like :)
rulez added on the 2007-05-10 04:25:20 by zj zj
fall in sleep during this demo - totally overated crap (14MB?!? wtf!)
sucks added on the 2007-05-14 10:05:57 by RA RA
Definite thumbs up, this is a brave and awesome demo. Maybe there are more technically accomplished demos but this is the most mind-alteringly ominous demo i've ever seen. Sorry to everyone who can't wrap their head around abstract art but you''re missing out.
rulez added on the 2007-05-24 12:32:40 by k-bird k-bird
This is absolutely outstanding. I suppose it is one of – if not the – demo that comes really close to the very sense of the term “digital art” as it used outside the demoscene. I also immediately had Stanley Kubrick’s 2001/2010 in mind – clearly the sphere and the monolith are metaphors for the same thing. It seems to have this unbelievable amount of atmosphere, deepness, sense and meaning in every single frame and as in 2001/2010 you can feel that something important is happening – and since the you cannot immediately understand the meaning there is so much space to reflect and project your own emotions, feelings, fears and ideas into this space. Brilliant!
rulez added on the 2007-05-24 16:04:19 by Admiral^Elyssis Admiral^Elyssis
Really beautiful! Some incredibly great scenes, and a nice soundtrack. If I have to put my finger at somethiing, the lack of consistency in styles and transitions between the scenes made it feel a little, well, inconsistent. But definitely one of the best and most interesting demos i've seen in a very long time. Thank you!
rulez added on the 2007-05-27 20:21:11 by knatten knatten
Just beautiful... :)
rulez added on the 2007-06-01 13:33:15 by Pulsar Pulsar
I don't think any other demo has ever had such an emotional pull on me. This demo is an absolutely mind-numbing, sense-drenching, magnificient work of art. Well done lads, well done.
(Farewell Delicious, there's a new cdc in town ;) )
rulez added on the 2007-06-01 20:16:35 by Nezbie Nezbie
reminds me a bit of the film "The Ring" - and the video that made everyone die within 1 week if they watched it! hopefully this demo doesn't have such an effect :-s
added on the 2007-06-04 01:07:25 by rebroad rebroad
Saw it again tonight - had trouble breathing - amazing work
added on the 2007-06-19 01:19:16 by Steel Steel
Not my cup of tea. It's just dead boring.
sucks added on the 2007-06-20 17:36:18 by EvilOne EvilOne
I love the dark.
rulez added on the 2007-07-10 12:29:31 by rave rave
I love this demo so much I put the video on my PSP so I can watch it often on the go ;-)
added on the 2007-07-11 02:29:08 by Nezbie Nezbie
This one prolly the best Visualice thingie ever... yeah, you can either love it or hate it. But... i really do love it. Deep stuff, Art, Ambient, Great, Thumb UP!

Great EmoDemo to put it that way^^
rulez added on the 2007-07-11 23:01:14 by Nty Nty
Definitely a thumb up. The whole party place went dead silent during this one.
rulez added on the 2007-07-12 20:52:55 by jasuy jasuy
rulez added on the 2007-07-19 04:33:00 by gentleman gentleman
finally some nice demo to watch ;)
rulez added on the 2007-07-19 04:56:49 by dominator dominator
In my opinion, this is the second best demo this year - just behind Debris. Great moody production... I've never been such a great fan of Visualice (with the exception of "Liquid Wen") but this is his masterpiece! Gave me the chills!
rulez added on the 2007-07-24 22:48:03 by Stebo Stebo
I know it's art when I don't get it and I'm SO not getting this. Not my kind of bag, baby.
added on the 2007-07-28 12:21:04 by mnemotron mnemotron
at first i hated it, but then noticed that 055 is a bit like listening to some of ulver's songs, it requires concentration. it's quite long but not too long to get bored. i love the design, but hate the fact that it's a bloatdemo. still, it's among the best ones i've seen and has the courage to be different and not fall into the usual clichées. it's easy to make a crappy annoying piece of shit-abstract noisedemo, but some how farbrausch has managed to avoid that in 055.
rulez added on the 2007-08-10 10:05:07 by piksi piksi
can't believe i haven't watched til now. too awesome!!
rulez added on the 2007-08-16 10:08:01 by rayro rayro
requires much concentration to watch, but it's worth it. great thing!
rulez added on the 2007-09-04 09:30:53 by zzo zzo
rulez added on the 2007-09-07 23:42:37 by auge auge
horror :)
rulez added on the 2007-09-14 09:53:35 by hr0nic hr0nic
rulez added on the 2007-09-23 12:07:14 by humphr3y humphr3y
A spooky dark ambient demo from fr? Sign me up!

Spooky. In a good way.
rulez added on the 2007-09-23 22:47:18 by NeARAZ NeARAZ
uhh.. nah... sry.. very boring and ugly.. you can use it for spacenights on "BR1" TV Show... it's top marked to get in sleep...

where is THIS spirit ? :/ that was really popular...
sucks added on the 2007-10-01 06:39:40 by .. ..
lamer alert! lamer alert! raise shields and arm clue torpedos!
added on the 2007-10-01 08:50:55 by Preacher Preacher
so says the preacher man, but I don't go by what he says
added on the 2007-10-01 09:18:30 by waffle waffle
The merits of this production can be debated of course, but I think it's pretty obvious that it wasn't ever meant to be a sequel to fr-025 or have any other relation with it. The comparison is absurd and rather clueless.
added on the 2007-10-01 09:58:04 by Preacher Preacher
what preacher said.
added on the 2007-10-11 13:05:20 by Steel Steel
overdesigned..... sorry I was not able to get into.. but for sure awesome direction and material.
Extra thumb up for waffles GYBE quote :)
weird... and fascinating :)
rulez added on the 2007-11-03 21:47:51 by faraday faraday
polished up demo --- thumbs up
rulez added on the 2007-11-08 11:02:33 by slippy slippy
NAH.!!!! won´t ever run it again ;)
sucks added on the 2007-11-10 12:59:47 by ɧ4ɾɗվ. ɧ4ɾɗվ.
the best demo i`ve ever seen
respect to visualice
rulez added on the 2007-11-10 21:03:16 by electrobrain electrobrain
i watched it many many times, but forgot to thumb here. love.
rulez added on the 2007-11-14 10:06:07 by elfh elfh
Scary but beautiful.
rulez added on the 2007-11-16 03:49:44 by _^^o _^^o
I'm feeling now, like there... How did You guess ? FR ;)
rulez added on the 2007-11-16 20:00:40 by SntX SntX
Weird and beautiful.
rulez added on the 2007-11-23 13:29:59 by GoNZooo GoNZooo
I <3
rulez added on the 2007-12-09 03:31:03 by PieIlike PieIlike
Nice mood. But I miss some "real music".
rulez added on the 2007-12-30 09:47:33 by Mystra Mystra
I understand the controversy, but to me it was an epic mindfuck.
rulez added on the 2008-01-06 01:12:46 by Alpha C Alpha C
best demo of 200X

vittu menee järki ku kattoo tätä.
love you guys.
added on the 2008-01-20 04:03:48 by nosfe nosfe
This demo truly shows what happens when you abuse to much drugs
sucks added on the 2008-01-23 18:01:34 by samurai samurai
rulez added on the 2008-01-23 23:02:46 by zefyros zefyros
NIce direction and atmosphere, but a tad too boring (and just plain weird( for me. !!!?
rulez added on the 2008-01-29 22:45:19 by [HamsTeR] [HamsTeR]
rulez added on the 2008-02-24 11:10:33 by Anat Anat
- definitely not my style, pressed esc after 3-4 minutes as my head started to hurt
+ there's probably a lot of work behind this demo

pigface from me :|
added on the 2008-02-29 15:15:52 by Jailbird Jailbird
Now, clearly there is a lot of work put into this. But it's not my cup of tea, and anyway it could be much better with a little care. There are very serious visual "bugs" which somewhat ruin the demo, and, face it, 75% is simply butt ugly.
added on the 2008-03-01 00:46:05 by blala blala
blala, i think you are wrong. its '3001: a space oddyssey'.
rulezcdc added on the 2008-03-02 20:51:04 by comankh comankh
sucks added on the 2008-03-02 20:53:28 by #535 #535
Well, there is style there, but I'd like to see more action. This kind of ambient flyby just isn't very interesting to see. Come on Visu, turn on the happy mood for a change :)
added on the 2008-03-08 11:46:13 by Marq Marq
rulez added on the 2008-03-15 11:47:10 by texel texel
This just popped up on the public's choice and it looks like I never thumbed it, so I just watched the fixed version.

Like the party version, I can't explain any of it, but when the busted android appeared with digitized ooze leaking out after all the build-up, it touched me.

Also there's something indescribably solid about that rolling ball at the start, the sound and visuals are so tightly coupled, it works really well.

If you can't draw your own conclusions or exercise your imagination, then it's your loss.
rulez added on the 2008-03-23 03:45:02 by Claw Claw
msx is better than gfx
rulez added on the 2008-03-27 17:54:50 by KHRoN KHRoN
... or not... anyway IT'S FREAKING AMAZING
added on the 2008-03-27 18:08:23 by KHRoN KHRoN
did i miss to thumb it?
rulez added on the 2008-03-31 12:57:13 by orange orange
really, not my cup of tea.
perhaps my favourite "farbrausch" demo! i can feel deeper thoughts here... after watching it several times now, it is still interesting! all elements are connected to each other and make up a subconscious space of possible meanings (science mother, the planet, technology, hypertext sphere...).

it really uses the strengths of the main elements of demos in general to compose a dense composition, it is strong as a demo, not as movie, so to say. the direction is good, the chronology makes sense! and the soundscape feels tightly coupled to the main theme, amplifying it subtly.
rulez added on the 2008-04-03 14:17:46 by 0rel 0rel
ps: have an look at 'Tod Dockstader - Aerial', very similar scapes, rather soundtrackish
added on the 2008-04-05 14:09:12 by 0rel 0rel
Visually stunning, and difficult to wrap my brain around.
rulez added on the 2008-04-11 03:50:51 by analoghuman analoghuman
rulez added on the 2008-04-18 17:18:19 by Drunken_Poet Drunken_Poet
that was a little creepy.. although i like the creativity and many of this group's work before... this one just creeps me out
sucks added on the 2008-04-25 11:59:09 by Revenge2K Revenge2K
Great atmosphere. The music is so gooood...
rulez added on the 2008-04-25 18:44:29 by untel untel
noise sound (I don't think you can call it music) with nondescript clicks + stuff obscured by so many overlays you can barely see it + slow camera movement = atmosphere. It worked for me, apparently it's really that simple. But it just dragged on and dragged on and dragged on and it got really boring in the end.

And boy stuff was ugly. Lowpoly models, some very low-res textures, shadows so blocky they are hardly recognizable as such... Maybe acceptable for 64k's, but for a full-fledged demo, no, not at all. Makes me thumb it down.
sucks added on the 2008-05-10 00:52:27 by stijn stijn
"making 828 is like making noise-demos....just SLOWER.!"

i don´t get it.! to me its just BORING AND UGLY and I´m feeling very tired now.! Guess I´ll watch MASAGIN next to wake up again.!

sry,no offence, i just donlikeit.!
rulez added on the 2008-05-27 09:15:04 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
Out of every demo I have seen thus far, this is absolutely 100% my favorite. Downright amazing. I probably blinked only 3 times during this, because I was so enthralled. As well, this has made me realize that there others out there who don't do just bright&shiny stuff but also dark, somber and creepy atmospheric stuff. Exactly the kind of flavor I so greatly want to produce.
rulez added on the 2008-06-06 01:12:17 by necro2607 necro2607
a grinding mechanical nightmare. gorgeous artistry and some wonderfully ambiguous imagery
rulez added on the 2008-06-28 16:45:51 by syfen syfen
Just watched this again. One of the few demos that get better with time.
added on the 2008-07-04 12:32:43 by jugi jugi
The best thing ever produced by the demoscene, by its best artist. True artistery.
added on the 2008-07-27 21:12:21 by Morph Morph
rulez added on the 2008-07-27 22:29:59 by Morph Morph
Art for art's sake...THIS IS THE SCENE!
rulez added on the 2008-07-28 00:35:37 by strauss strauss
ok I get it now ...
added on the 2008-08-22 01:51:25 by Navis Navis
navis: you've seen the light yonder the dark abyss? :D
added on the 2008-08-22 01:56:55 by psenough psenough
haters notwithstanding
rulez added on the 2008-08-22 03:55:04 by PENETRATOR PENETRATOR
looks lovely! very minimal music which fits well with the visual style. nice colors.
added on the 2008-08-27 01:08:22 by gd gd
of course, I see the work in here. but still, it is too long, and it is boring.
sucks added on the 2008-10-01 01:08:41 by SiR SiR
rulez added on the 2008-11-18 13:45:26 by Lord Graga Lord Graga
hmm, kind of boring. And too long.
sucks added on the 2008-12-09 09:07:41 by Dano Dano
rulez added on the 2008-12-09 10:18:24 by pommak pommak
wut? fixed.
The ambience is overwhelmingly great. I love this.
rulez added on the 2008-12-13 12:03:53 by noby noby
Damn, great atmosphere! I approve! <3
rulez added on the 2009-03-06 21:23:22 by Tomoya Tomoya
rulez added on the 2009-03-07 20:36:29 by T$ T$
damn! so creepy and out there
rulez added on the 2009-03-07 21:41:12 by vibrator vibrator
you can better!
added on the 2009-03-19 16:24:58 by Sorcerer Sorcerer
sucks added on the 2009-04-05 10:01:42 by vestige vestige
rulezcdc added on the 2009-07-10 12:54:58 by polartimecast polartimecast
!! MindFuck on par with Kubrick, thanks Visualice! On an Intel X3100 too <3
rulez added on the 2009-07-19 03:05:03 by AGL AGL
simply additive-layered crap content, sound -1, boring
sucks added on the 2009-09-17 19:36:29 by fyrex fyrex
We want more! This alien life form is scary and intriguing. Audio fits perfect.
rulez added on the 2009-10-06 01:45:11 by neoneye neoneye
I can't believe I haven't thumbed this up yet...

For the days when content, design and mood prevailed over technicality...
rulez added on the 2009-11-28 09:22:19 by cxnull cxnull
way back then in 2007... wait, what?
added on the 2009-11-28 16:33:20 by ryg ryg
Mixed feels. I do like some scenes (underwater, bubbles, red parts), and I really did not like others.
added on the 2009-11-28 17:57:35 by Dbug Dbug
Something not best from fb.
But you must seeeeeee it...
added on the 2009-12-21 17:29:42 by closed closed
rulez added on the 2010-07-22 10:34:25 by Des Legumes Des Legumes
sucks added on the 2010-07-30 07:08:50 by closed closed
Saw it again today - it truly is a masterpiece
added on the 2010-07-31 17:03:37 by Steel Steel
rulez added on the 2010-08-07 11:12:26 by Eldrik Eldrik
i sense darkwave fascination in here. thumb up all the way, we must have been close relatives in previous lives.
rulez added on the 2010-08-17 21:38:59 by kbi kbi
rulez added on the 2010-12-30 02:49:25 by jonnyram jonnyram
Almost 4 years ago I wrote some very unkind words about this prod, which were completely undeserved and untrue. This is truly a work of art. I must've been jealous of all the hype for the production or something - really, I'm not sure why I said what I said. Anyways, this is fantastic. Absolutely stunning, and I can't see how I didn't see this before. Amazing.
added on the 2011-02-05 01:20:18 by ferris ferris
Oh yeah, and I'm truly sorry, for what it matters :)
added on the 2011-02-05 01:20:51 by ferris ferris
interesting twist of the story Ferris :) back then this demo received a thumb up from me, but today i think, just like you, that it deserves a tons of CDC's, because it's an amazing and beautiful demo.
added on the 2011-04-10 20:43:55 by substrate substrate
glad to hear some folks think it gets better with age :)
added on the 2011-04-10 21:15:59 by psenough psenough
These are exactly the nightmares I used to have in high fever, something indescribable by words perfectly reproduced in this masterpiece, I'm speechless...
rulezcdc added on the 2011-04-22 00:26:56 by rutra80 rutra80
Nice and weirds FXs.
But this demo is too slow paced for me! This probably comes from the "music", which could be changed for a totally different result IMO.
added on the 2011-04-22 10:05:06 by baah baah
added on the 2011-04-22 11:50:40 by Bartoshe Bartoshe
goes to the scary demo category for me - I like it :)

Made a Highres Youtube Video for my HD Channel:
fr-055: 828 by farbrausch (1080p)
rulez added on the 2011-07-12 07:56:44 by anni anni
Far from my favorite, but works really well as a dark ambient demo. Visualice's magnum opus, in my opinion (the recent works... aren't).
rulez added on the 2011-09-06 11:37:30 by moozooh moozooh
nice gfx. the music is a bit weired. would be better with msx.
added on the 2011-09-19 13:36:20 by nhi nhi
Well, I liked it. Even after all the arguing ;)
rulez added on the 2011-10-26 04:03:29 by t-zero t-zero
rulez added on the 2011-10-28 21:50:15 by couer1911 couer1911
rulez added on the 2012-01-05 21:49:50 by cce cce
visualice, are you sure you've only been taking the *occasional* pint?
rulez added on the 2012-03-13 16:52:35 by aegis aegis
rulez added on the 2013-09-08 18:48:52 by CHEF-KOCH CHEF-KOCH
Great visuals!
rulez added on the 2014-05-30 14:02:33 by Shinobi Shinobi
Too scary.
rulez added on the 2014-05-30 14:14:39 by Trilkk Trilkk
Not my cup of tea. I see no coherence nor screenplay there. Anyway, I can't thumb it down considering the work behind and some nice scenes though :)
added on the 2014-05-30 19:40:52 by ok3anos ok3anos
Ugly and disgusting. What happened to good old farbrausch?
sucks added on the 2014-09-26 09:58:15 by Alone_Coder Alone_Coder
Excellent demo. I like those kinnda esthetic explorations, far from mainstream prods. Thanks, that is a food for spirit.
rulez added on the 2015-04-18 00:20:12 by erk erk
visuals are not my cup of tea, overall it looks unfinished and messy (won't fit to the übersmooth music). but no thumbs down or piggie because of the amazing sound that creates a very nice atmosphere.
rulez added on the 2015-04-18 08:56:25 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
Visually stunning, but not really engaging overall.
added on the 2015-11-14 23:49:53 by animehaus animehaus
rulez added on the 2015-12-20 03:47:55 by numtek numtek
having 828 glöps, Intriguing, and decimally.
this is the stuff i love
added on the 2016-02-16 21:30:11 by gentleman gentleman
added on the 2017-05-15 12:55:35 by nagz nagz
Everyone who voted this down are a bunch of clueless idiots ... sorry.
Now spew all your bile over me instead of this demo, which is a masterpiece.
added on the 2017-07-24 12:27:35 by Steel Steel
Best fr demo
rulez added on the 2023-05-10 21:14:57 by sparrow sparrow
Wow.. this is pretty stunning. A fair amount of WTF (I can't believe the boiled egg smashed through THREE WHOLE WAFFLES towards the end!) mixed with equal amounts of stunning direction and brilliant sound design
rulez added on the 2023-08-12 22:05:47 by evilpaul evilpaul
best composition of abstract shapes into something which implies intent which i've seen... everything seemed in place + awesome cinematic vibe. sound design on point
rulez added on the 2023-08-12 22:47:09 by wrighter wrighter

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