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Batman Rises by Batman Group
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release date : december 2022
release party : Posadas Autumn 2022
compo : amiga demo
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popularity : 76%
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alltime top: #75
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IMPORTANT! This demo uses special video modes. If possible, watch it on the real hardware and CRT monitor for a full experience.
However, to watch it properly in WinUAE:
1. In Windows, advanced display settings, select a refresh rate of 50Hz (if not available some demo parts will not be displayed correctly).
2. In the emulator, select a standard A500 OCS configuration with 1MB of RAM, 2 floppy drives enabled and Standard VSync in display settings, then insert the disk 1 adf file in df0 and the disk 2 adf in df1.
added on the 2022-12-10 21:40:41 by Dredd Dredd
Esto es para un amiga 500, vamos cerrando.l
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 21:42:16 by fermix fermix
Very all-time impressive demo. Congrats to all BG for creating this masterpiece!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 21:51:50 by F1REB0Y F1REB0Y
Super demo, very impressive, congratz!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 21:53:15 by Zener Zener
holy crap that was epic show! and also that TBL crow diss :D
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 21:54:21 by wbcbz7 wbcbz7
A demo which uses both tecnology and design to make something amazing to watch in an Amiga 500. The sound and graphics contribute a lot to the overall mood and atmosphere of the production. What to say more?. One thumb isn't enough for this piece of art.
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-10 21:54:26 by Skynet Skynet
this is madness!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-10 22:14:00 by Virgill Virgill
https://youtu.be/2jciCr8zEhw
added on the 2022-12-10 22:15:39 by Dredd Dredd
Great demo (as expected from Batman Group) with excellent graphics, atmospheric soundtrack and nice effects. Very enjoyable.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:20:53 by StingRay StingRay
BG never disappoint.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:26:13 by Mlake Mlake
Mind Blown! The overall presentation, the music and the TBL joke at the end kills!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:30:25 by Optimus Optimus
incredible demo! some scenes (if not all) are mindblowing and the whole atmosphere of the demo is very good and fit well the depressive (but entertaining) theme :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:30:53 by rez rez
Batman Group just keeps delivering. What a ride! Tempted to try it on my A500 but no CRT here, just OSSC. Wonder how it handles those video modes.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:32:19 by break break
One of the greatest ocs demos I have ever seen! Great stuff
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:35:03 by amiades amiades
this is absolutely brilliant
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:35:36 by TôBach TôBach
Such a nice surprise on a rainy day. Amazing to see such great quality demos still coming up on OCS. Thank you and congrats.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:38:13 by Fab Fab
This rocks so hard! It's just insane.
Perfect in every possible way.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:41:47 by guille^cocoon guille^cocoon
Batman Group Forever!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:45:18 by Depeche Depeche
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy."

Top notch, as always! :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:48:06 by Defiance Defiance
Amazing. This one just oozes quality. Here is hoping for more after that build-up!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:49:09 by noname noname
Really... This is the Amiga 500!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:50:57 by tjahzi(aka Jimi) tjahzi(aka Jimi)
Listened 4 times to the soundtrack. Sry, my pamts are wet now.
added on the 2022-12-10 22:53:28 by Virgill Virgill
Just perfect in every aspect.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:59:22 by Infinity Infinity
Excellent!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 22:59:50 by ig0r ig0r
What a show!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:04:35 by rexbeng/PA rexbeng/PA
what can i say.....respektz.!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:05:37 by DJNest DJNest
Wow it was a blast, and really, just that music, are we on the old Amiga...
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:07:32 by Buckethead Buckethead
Ok, I get it. You decided to create an Eon killer. I think you succeeded.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:08:04 by Defor Defor
Exactly what Virgill said!!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:09:35 by mayday mayday
Wow
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:15:26 by bartman bartman
Goosebumps. What a demo!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:21:48 by gaspode gaspode
OH MY. I can't even imagine how's that possible.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:28:28 by merry merry
So beautiful and clever use (and abuse) of Amiga hardware. Code, design, sound and graphics are just perfect
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:28:29 by troglobyte troglobyte
Such a tour de force of oldschool demomaking that I am speechless. Everything is brilliant and it's presented with such grace and amazing flow. Might be my all-time favorite OCS production.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:31:57 by Preacher Preacher
Waaaaooo ! I have no words…
Impact loves you!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:33:38 by ast ast
Damn!!!! Really a perfect production! Very happy to can enjoy something with this quality. Thanks mates!!! Thanks!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:34:28 by 70lk13n 70lk13n
Batman Group breaking limits again. It's been worth the wait. Best enjoyed on real hardware :-) I love how you apply those 8bit techniques on a500 to make it shine. Code, graphics, music and design are top notch. Thank you for sharing this beauty.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:36:37 by Crumb Crumb
Definitely polished, although I can see your animations looping ;) Jury is still out on the music though - it tried its hardest but after a while the sample aliasing is just too much.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:39:05 by Gargaj Gargaj
holy batman! I've seen quite a lot of 𝑨𝑴𝑰𝑮𝑨 demos over the past 35 years. but this is some next level stuff. incredible attention to detail, impeccable audio/music and most impressive visuals.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:40:51 by mcCoy mcCoy
Wtf....killer demo.. that atmosphere and everything is so on point. Yes gimme more.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:47:48 by Premium Premium
bird part at the end for the win
Great!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:52:05 by bitl bitl
Very cool
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:54:59 by BulletToothTony BulletToothTony
Watched the first minute on YouTube and closed the window because this deserves to be run on real hardware.
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:55:48 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Wow absolutely stunning a500 prod! It is either Transhuman/Pachinkoland or Batman Rises for Amiga demo of the year in my ledger of prods!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:56:27 by rloaderro rloaderro
Amazing prod! Old style vectors with awesome pixels, anims, ideas and.... everything. I love it! Thank you!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:57:01 by Norby Norby
well that escalated quickly
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:57:14 by MrsBeanbag MrsBeanbag
Fantastic design!
rulez added on the 2022-12-10 23:58:11 by Nuclear Nuclear
Rised and buried the competitors. The music sits perfect here.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:08:26 by grogon grogon
Incredible
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:08:58 by mr_sebe mr_sebe
Nice prod, solid as a rock!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-11 00:16:10 by roudoudou roudoudou
Batman rises in the top of the month and other rankings for sure.
Brilliant in all departments.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:16:12 by gopher gopher
Batman group is better than Bruce Wayne!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:28:40 by mop mop
very good!

Русский Бэтмэн лучший друг французского Бэтмена...

YouTube "Русский Размер - Batman ( ю-а-ю )" official video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COvd8rKn8yM

...
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:39:14 by ded^RMDA ded^RMDA
History has been made! Beat this TEK :)

Love the EON like OCS part where BATMAN goes back to 2d at the end..
Music/SFX Synch is so cool to..

I so hope Batman Returns in the future :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:40:14 by magic magic
Holy atomic pile, Batman!
and what bartman said ;-)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 00:58:16 by RufUsul RufUsul
The truth is that it is a brilliant production in all its aspects. We can see that Rhino is an old school coder and tries to squeeze the most out of the limits Amiga's capabilities in its routines, all very neat and perfectly timed. The MAC graphics are fucking great, I think we can all agree on that. And the music along with the atmosphere is amazing. A production that makes me proud to be an Amiga demoscene lover. Congratulations Batman Group.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 01:29:30 by estrayk estrayk
uuuh :D
the TBL disrespect :D juicy
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 02:21:34 by NR4 NR4
Pure gold.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 02:23:11 by teo teo
Excellent!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 04:11:20 by syphus syphus
great stuff
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 05:19:47 by psenough psenough
Shit-a-brick, that's nice! ^_^
Fuckin' A, as always, from the BG crew!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 06:10:09 by SuTeKH/Epyteor SuTeKH/Epyteor
Absolutely amazing demo!! Stylish and beautiful!! Love it!!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-11 06:45:28 by Sir_Lucas Sir_Lucas
Absolutely amazing !
BG is still pushing the limits...


Congrats form Impact .
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 07:56:31 by Kris Kris
Como siempre mejorando y haciendo obras de arte. Un 10 para los Batman Group!!

As always improving and making works of art. A 10 for the Batman Group!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 08:16:41 by Wiktös Wiktös
Superb effects, cinematic music, and design/synch.
Congrats for all that work, and the resulting prod!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 08:30:43 by Dma-Sc Dma-Sc
Thanks for the greetings, I did not deserve them :-)

Super prod, let's hope this inspires more people to make more quality prods!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 08:33:29 by Debvgger Debvgger
Outstanding!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 08:48:11 by Adam Bazaroff Adam Bazaroff
Good!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 09:04:34 by waldiamiga waldiamiga
Defo more fun to watch than Germany playing worldcup 22.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 09:10:16 by Dascon Dascon
Great demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 09:23:52 by micdune micdune
Quote:
Nice prod, solid as a rock!


my comment was too short, it's way more than that(
a long succession of FX i cannot count them all
an epic soundtrack (how big is this in memory/disk Rhino?) fitting every aspects
that rotozoom fading innocently to vertical smoke <3
the references to 68060 demos (hey, i can do this on OCS guyz)
now come back to CPC ;)
added on the 2022-12-11 09:29:13 by roudoudou roudoudou
Same type as eon, I find this demo even better thanks to a fabulous art direction. Bravo
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 09:30:21 by Aghnar Aghnar
and so he should, batman rises to any platform dominating them all
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 09:43:16 by randomi randomi
Very impressive, with a nice soundtrack... everything fit on two floppy disk really ? :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:11:33 by Beb Beb
THIS is the new standard for A500 Demos. Completely mesmerised. Thumb definitely earned, but I'll leave that to the man himself:

"I'm Batman, and I approve this Demo."
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:17:10 by FunkyM FunkyM
Holy crap 😳!

Amazing work
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:35:06 by xeron xeron
Amazing production, so many fresh parts and everything really well done. Thank you Batman!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:41:03 by malmix malmix
Holy Brilliance, Batman!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:44:23 by Foebane72 Foebane72
Marvellous!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:44:24 by cerror cerror
This is Epic. It speaks to me!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:49:39 by ruguevara ruguevara
Masterpiece, I'm left in shock and awe...
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 10:55:00 by Mr-Z Mr-Z
I didn't even know the Amiga 500 could display the image that smooth
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:01:06 by Rork Rork
well...thats impressive.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:12:10 by marsulpi marsulpi
.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:15:50 by xeen xeen
The demo is amazing - finally something of super quality for the classic amiga !
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:22:47 by Patapik Patapik
Great!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:38:08 by Alex Menchi Alex Menchi
Holy fullscreen in one frame, Batman! That was smooth and absolutely beautiful!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-11 11:38:46 by pyksy pyksy
Awesome demo, I loved the lighting effects on the 3D shapes.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:41:32 by Mills Mills
I haven't written anything here before but this one deserves a comment. Absolutely brilliant! Strong code with nice effects, beautiful graphics, and music that creates a great atmosphere. But what makes this truly special for me is the design and the way everything fits together so smoothly. I still have to re-watch this a few times, also on real hardware, to be sure but this might have taken the number one spot on my list of the best Amiga demos of all time...
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:42:59 by Razer Razer
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rulez added on the 2022-12-11 11:51:29 by fra fra
crow! crow crow! tunk tunk. crow!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-11 12:02:28 by adkd adkd
Solid
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:07:27 by Frequent Frequent
sick
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:07:48 by ferris ferris
Very nice design!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:10:35 by baah baah
Top OCS stuff! Congrats!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:11:03 by nandiusc nandiusc
Oh wow amazing, I really love this one with the effect contributing to the story telling. Superb !
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:20:08 by Ramon B5 Ramon B5
Made my day. Brilliant Demo with super GFX, Music, Design and Code.
A real Milestone in the Amiga Demo History ...
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:25:36 by critikill critikill
Hot damn!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:30:40 by farfar farfar
No words, everything said here. Top AMIGA demo. Congrats guys, and thnx for those 8 min of pleasure. Waiting for the next killer one!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:36:36 by JosSs JosSs
Awesome, excellent masterpiece!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:47:40 by balrogsoft balrogsoft
really nice piece of work there! kudos for delivering solid batman group branding and design/story cohesion in all the demos :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 13:58:39 by waffle waffle
very polished
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 14:27:34 by blala blala
Wow! My favourites were the rotozoomer and dithered galaxy fade out, and nice, bold usage of interlacing :)

Music was also nice, totally unlike most of the demo musics :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 14:43:12 by hot multimedia hot multimedia
great
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 14:43:22 by gorgh gorgh
Superb!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 14:52:54 by Vinnny Vinnny
Watching this demo made me forget it was running on an A500. Thanks for the show!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 14:56:50 by TotO TotO
Holy smokes Batman, what an awesome production. It has a great mood and a fantastic cinematic atmosphere. The pacing is very nice, without it losing attention to detail at all. It seems that apart from the Batman theme based on work by Bob Kane, this demo features original material, which is awesome. I especially love the part with the crow; thats proper demoscene attitude! Keep it up!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:12:45 by spkr spkr
What a demo! Directing 10/10! Awesome!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:19:27 by Unreal Unreal
Superb!!! Great demo!!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:23:14 by xphere xphere
Hats off, gentlemen. This was really great!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:30:42 by hfr hfr
good one.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:42:18 by nosfe nosfe
Incredible
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 15:56:13 by slash_2 slash_2
that's a lot of batman!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 16:08:11 by maali maali
😍
Oops, what's that? A new release from Batman group coded by Rhino
and already lots of comments after a short time? My anticipated joy and
excitement was at max. level. Watched the show concentrated with
mouth open and drooling (okay, no big difference to my usual
appearance). The bat definetly left a strong odour mark here. Felt a bit
like in the cinema, but in contrast to those superhero movies the BG
releases get better and better! Superman, Spiderman, Ironman and all
the others...you can go home! Enough flattery and chumming up for
today. Up, up and away (damn, wrong movie).
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 16:18:54 by ROG_VF ROG_VF
O M G
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-11 16:25:41 by Mystra Mystra
super
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 16:43:10 by cryodav76400 cryodav76400
it's amazing (but the super hero theme is wasting it, time to move on guys...)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 17:33:26 by remdy remdy
great
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 17:40:02 by fyrex fyrex
The technology to the service of the art ! Masterpiece.
BG is... Still Rising. (punch intended ;-)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:00:28 by norecess norecess
No huh huh!! That was a knockout.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:00:53 by mr_spiv mr_spiv
This is fucking astounding. And that soundtrack? Incredible work by DJ Uno. Big ups everyone involved. Me como una docena de croquetas para festejar :P
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:01:34 by Akira^G*P Akira^G*P
Wowww !
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:16:58 by Candy Candy
Wow, what a A500 OCS demo! A lot of EON vibes in it, with some additional technical gems ( I love the rotozoom ).
Artistic direction & epic music are fantastic!
Congrats
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:21:21 by leonard leonard
A humbling experience to watch this demo this morning.

It is really a wonderful demo. Lots of great effects. The narrative part is also cool. I often like narrative demos less than technically oriented ones, but this one combines both very well. Congratulations!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:26:54 by scourger scourger
MINDBLOWING !
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:48:36 by DuckOfMOPS DuckOfMOPS
It's so good, you even got Batman himself to do hardware support and testing! :D

Between this, Eon, and the recent TEK demos, we're seeing the A500 taken to heights even the A1200 has rarely seen. There's certainly some inspiration between them but the bar keeps getting raised. Sure, there's precalc involved, but fitting it all onto two disks and loading it seamlessly still impresses me.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 18:55:21 by phoenix phoenix
100+ comments in less than 24 hours... now thats something else!

also that tbl starstruck reference at the end tho
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 19:08:22 by Flashira Flashira
Really amazing effects, concept and execution!
Super impressed! Amazing work Batman Group!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 19:10:58 by DW DW
Wow, this demo really blew me away! The graphics, sound, and overall presentation are all top-notch, and it's clear that a lot of effort and skill went into creating it. Congrats to the Batman Group for creating this masterpiece and for continuing to push the boundaries of what's possible on the Amiga 500. It's truly impressive to see such high-quality demos still being made for this platform, and I can't wait to see what you come up with next!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 19:37:13 by Akustikrausch Akustikrausch
Really awesome!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 19:39:38 by decruncher decruncher
Every second is filled with great and perfectly executed design ideas. Feels like nothing is polished enough for this team. Just wow.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 19:50:31 by Soundy Soundy
Great production
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 20:23:40 by Tommysammy Tommysammy
Amazing experience. An interesting show built around the superhero.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 20:27:30 by lancel lancel
Nice and coherent, great direction
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 20:40:46 by Psycho Psycho
This is just AWESOME! Thank you guys for this nice production.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 20:59:35 by TMA TMA
Breath-taking, unexpected, just awesome.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:01:40 by dirtie dirtie
It is so good that I can almost not believe it. Thanks :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:02:34 by nikosidis nikosidis
Sick! Everytime I think I’ve seen everything on Amiga, I get something like this in front of my face. I haven’t felt amazed by demoscene for a while up until I saw this! 👍❤️💪
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:04:55 by hollowone hollowone
Wow, an Amiga 500 masterpiece here. Great visuals and music.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:08:55 by aLpHa oNe aLpHa oNe
IM-PRE-SSI-VE!! I can hardly believe they made it for an Amiga 500. This reflects both the quality of the programmers and the quality of the machine.

Saluditos,

Ferrán.
added on the 2022-12-11 21:16:41 by Ferry Ferry
May be the most impressive demo i have seen on an OCS amiga .
BG are really an impressive team, congrats for this incredible prod .
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:22:59 by TOUKO TOUKO
Clap clap ! I didn't expect that, I'm flabbergasted !
Congrats & thank you :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:31:38 by mahenou mahenou
Great demo!

Can somebody test it on an A1000 with fast ram? I get "System Error" at the part where the 3D stuff begins
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:50:41 by Cego Cego
Absolutely awesome <3
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 21:56:29 by SnC SnC
astonishing
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:04:48 by Claw Claw
Quote:
Great demo!
Can somebody test it on an A1000 with fast ram? I get "System Error" at the part where the 3D stuff begins


I just ran it on A1000 with 9.5mb fast and I have the same problem. Came back here to seek help and found your comment. At first I thought it was a cool disk-change requester but it hasn't gone any further :(

BTW, impressive demo... just think at an Amiga Batman game in 199x with something like this as introduction...
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:09:56 by KONEY KONEY
Just back from the party. Thank you all for the feedback!

@Cego We tested it on A1000 with 0.5 chip and fast and it worked fine. If you are running from floppy, maybe it is a bad disks issue? During our tests, it happened to us several times and using new disks fixed it.

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In any case, we hope we can fix the compatibility issues that eluded our testing.

Thanks!
added on the 2022-12-11 22:16:06 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Hello friends, firstly congratulate the Batman Group colleagues for the good work they have done and thank the friends who have been able to see it for their praise.

PS: I'm sorry that in some computers it doesn't work as it should, in the Amiga 1000 with 256kb+256kb+ 8mb of Ram that I have at home it worked very well during the test.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:17:24 by Batman/BG Batman/BG
The direction on this is just stunning. And I love the fresh presentation of the roto and zoomers by using layering - super nice.
I do wish something with such incredible artistic direction and thought had used original iconography rather than the Batman stuff - but I appreciate it's on brand.....
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:35:08 by Tom Tom
Why did it take so long ;)
Really. It's like someone actually was doing the right stuff on the Amiga.
It is always disappointing, if you read "Amiga" but then it is done for some 32 Bit AGA machine.
But this one is really "Amiga".

Thousand thumbs up !!!
Thanks to the programmers.
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:46:45 by emkay emkay
@Rhino/BG

i am using a Gotek drive, so bad disk shouldn't be a problem. I didn't see a "insert disk 2" request. Do I have to swap floppies at a specific time?

Thanks for the reply!
added on the 2022-12-11 22:46:57 by Cego Cego
Very atmospheric. Using high tech and wonderful dither fading to create an awesome 8 minutes ride. The combination of pixels and vectors is perfect. In many parts I first thought about good use of DPF, but watching it the 2nd time I saw it's all fading and blurring wonderfully through all bitplanes. The raven sequence is ace - and seeing that it runs on an A1000 is just wow. I hope one day I can see it on a real CRT. Thank you guys!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 22:55:05 by JAC! JAC!
excellent
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 23:28:28 by SiR SiR
fantastic, really enjoyed it - great cinematic feel to it
added on the 2022-12-11 23:38:26 by arpz arpz
@Cego During the Gotham scene with the Joker in the background, an icon appears at the bottom right indicating the disc change if needed.
What memory expansion do you use? (A screenshot of the workbench / showconfig might help). Thanks for the feedback!
added on the 2022-12-11 23:40:10 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
missed thumb!
rulez added on the 2022-12-11 23:40:18 by arpz arpz
Whoa, Christmas was delivered two weeks early this year! Thank you. <3

Truly impressive. One of those demos that is so well knit together you forget about the platform.
And that will be also my criticism actually: given the quality and flow of the rest, the dots and rotozoom scenes feel out of place (even if the fire effect fits extremely well in the theme) and threw me out of the story.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 00:39:48 by Zavie Zavie
Oh, and I loved the nod to Starstruck. <3
added on the 2022-12-12 00:42:20 by Zavie Zavie
One of the best.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 01:42:27 by dex46... dex46...
Masterpiece!
Amiga keeps surprising!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 01:44:31 by PauloFalcao PauloFalcao
A DC movie trailer on 2 Amiga 500's floppies.
Your demo is the most beautiful gift for me
Thank you for Amiga and demoscene community
BMG makes dreams comes true in december 2022
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 02:42:57 by mikev mikev
awesome!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 06:25:51 by lordnkon lordnkon
Robin would approve ! Kick ass demo <3
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 06:44:34 by alkama alkama
One of the greatest I've seen! Unbelievably badass, and Starstruck nod caught me off guard.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 07:02:38 by HEXWALKER HEXWALKER
Masterpiece. This demo has restored my faith in the demoscene. My most sincere congratulations, Batman Group. It was a real privilege to enjoy the demo live at the Posadas Party Autumn 2022 with you.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 07:22:16 by xeleh xeleh
They make demos about Batman
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 07:46:52 by Daddy Freddy Daddy Freddy
Oh my freaking god, this is masterpiece! <3
Amazing storytelling, so rare on demoscene, standing on pillars of astonishing technical achievements.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 08:13:01 by mborik mborik
Really slick execution, nice one!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 08:31:36 by britelite britelite
Massive release and probably the best 2022!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 09:28:52 by highpuff highpuff
Not a big fan of the Batman theme. Would have liked to see something more original, but that doesn't take away the fact that this demo is absolutely epic! One of the best best demos ever released for the OCS chipset.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 09:36:12 by Daniel Daniel
Oops, me again. After reading Dredd's IMPORTANT notes (settings -> PC
monitor refresh rate 50Hz, standard VSync) I am wondering if the
beam position is being manipulated (-> $dff02a/2c) here and there in
order to change the display frequency?
added on the 2022-12-12 10:08:43 by ROG_VF ROG_VF
Hella impressive.
This is one of those perfect demos where everything is polished to the max.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 10:33:55 by neoman neoman
Coool! :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 11:06:49 by viti viti
Really good!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 11:15:43 by ilmenit ilmenit
Congratz to all BG for this masterpiece!
The artistic direction is excellent, punctuated with good music and very good effects.
We are in a cinema!
You should have announced to plan Pop Corn before broadcasting to be able to benefit even better the show. ;-)
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 11:35:22 by Longshot Longshot
This was so nice that I had to re-watch "The Batman" after seeing this. Great work!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 12:08:53 by uncle-x uncle-x
Yes
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 12:13:16 by mrdoob mrdoob
Very nice!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 12:29:07 by bodo^rab bodo^rab
fuck yeah! great demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 12:58:10 by Ish Ish
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Batman leaves the batcave again to kick some ass. The level of wonderment that you'll experience watching this on a real A500 can't hardly be surpassed.

In the rare occasions BG releases masterpieces like this, even the smallest and modest demoparty could become the biggest demoscene event of the year.

I just hope I don't have to wait another quarter of a century for the next time!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-12 13:13:23 by ham ham
fantastic production! love it , music absoluty rocks! congratulations for this masterpiece =)
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 13:13:27 by skido skido
Awesome demo! easily amiga top 10!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 13:27:29 by gligli gligli
All of the above compliments! Amazing and i do very much like the EON vibes....so enjoyable to watch this and great to see this on real OCS hardware!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 14:01:16 by davince davince
They have made history again!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 14:24:50 by FreeMEM FreeMEM
Great gfx and design with slick effects and animations supporting the show. Definitely liked the music more this time than with Batman Vuelve :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:01:42 by Serpent Serpent
Hat off! This demo blew me away!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:14:20 by toms toms
Mindblowing
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:26:39 by Emufr3ak Emufr3ak
I was lucky enough to be there to see it live (and I was probably one of the few attending sceners unaware of what was going on).
What can I say...for a few hours after the projection, it felt like we were living in the nineties and being young again.
BIG thanks to all BG for the immense work put on this prod; you guys are something else...
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:45:29 by peskanov peskanov
Mindblowing! it really brings back the feeling of awesomeness back in the days.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:49:19 by iolo iolo
This is astonishing. So, so polished. I struggle to know what to highlight as it's all incredible. The music, in particular the bass/sub bass content, is outstanding. Then every effect is just honed to perfection. I LOVE it!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 15:57:53 by ByteMavericks ByteMavericks
This is damn atmospheric. I need to dig out my Amiga.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 17:16:17 by 42Bastian 42Bastian
Amazing work ! congratz !
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 17:30:28 by Krafton Krafton
It's just fantastic! So well designed, and so amazing music.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 17:32:02 by rmb rmb
One of those reasons I kept my Amiga. And will always do.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 17:39:02 by pintcat pintcat
Wow, kickass work, made me re-check that I'm really watching an OCS prod
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 18:22:38 by Kabuto Kabuto
Awesome demo! Music is mindblowing. Of recent OCS productions, on-par with Hologon's quality in my book. Definitely top 5 all-time material.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 18:37:59 by haywood haywood
WOW! This is pushing the A500 to its limits!
Congratulations to Batman group! Awesome, awesome production!
added on the 2022-12-12 18:45:26 by Mod3m Mod3m
Now the challenge with TBL is set... :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 18:46:23 by Mod3m Mod3m
wow, this is just crazily good on all levels: art, direction, music, code
perfect demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 18:55:03 by v3nom v3nom
Holy Denise, Batman!!
Since I am a sucker for copper fx, that beautiful patterned neon-flicker was "dotting the Ts" of the whole production.
That end-scene has me hoping for an all out "Two-Disker" war in the future :D

All in all this is probably the best passing-on gift for Kevin Conroy, the voice of Batman in the legendary animated series.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 20:45:25 by d0DgE d0DgE
great show: pace, gfx, sound all ace and in one nice pakage.
for what its worth it runs great on my a600 with gotek floppy emulation and a retrotink 5x upscaler attached to my led tv.
the flicker of some gfx are to be expected without a proper crt.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 21:03:52 by wysiwtf wysiwtf
so well polished... masterpiece
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 21:07:00 by wullon wullon
Great work - well done!
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 21:20:55 by PRiDE PRiDE
@wysiwtf Thanks for the feedback! Some flickering on some screens is even wanted, for example on the Gotham City lights. On other screens, on the other hand, it should be quite moderate on CRT.
added on the 2022-12-12 21:33:30 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Massive! especially the soundtrack.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 22:04:40 by Emod Emod
Wow.
added on the 2022-12-12 22:24:45 by AntDude AntDude
All hail! Wow! I've only just seen I will be back after another couple of watches.
rulez added on the 2022-12-12 23:10:45 by Toffeeman Toffeeman
@Rhino/BG

I am using a Ram68k expansion with IDE68k on top + 256kb chip expansion in the front.
I am also using a boot selector to swap DF0<->DF1
But the setting doesn't matter. It'll crash at the same place (right after the plasma effect, when the 3D flying scene begins)

Tried it with original Kick1.3 kick disk and TwinKick

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added on the 2022-12-12 23:19:09 by Cego Cego
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added on the 2022-12-12 23:19:41 by Cego Cego
@Cego Thank you very much! If you have twitter, can you add me here: @BATMAN_GROUP ?
Or any other way I can speak privately with you?
Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience.
added on the 2022-12-12 23:59:49 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
I have added you :)
added on the 2022-12-13 00:14:57 by Cego Cego
Holy sh*t. Fantastic.
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 00:55:06 by Antiriad_UK Antiriad_UK
One striking demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 03:16:14 by Caradhraz Caradhraz
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rulez added on the 2022-12-13 03:43:03 by rudi rudi
God damn it! I didn't expect to be picking up my jaw parts from the floor again in 2022. I would give at least 3 thumbs up If I could. Fantastic. Thank you, Batman Group!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 05:41:30 by mccnex mccnex
Oh man...
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 05:46:38 by zzzap001 zzzap001
oua ! wonderfull. yesterday night i looked at with headphones and the soundtrack, the atmosphere is great ! wonderfull artwork ! thanx a lot !
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 09:03:33 by yogib33r yogib33r
There are some really nice parts in here. I especially like the animated 3D parts.
And nice to see that it's done on an OCS Amiga.
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 10:51:54 by Scali Scali
love it!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 11:55:36 by Moopy Moopy
I have protracker MODS from this awesome amiga demo.Soundtrack is very cool and super quality. Thanks DJ_Uno !
https://video.ploud.fr/w/5qdAo2NT6bvoLDmRsFUM4Z
added on the 2022-12-13 12:39:03 by lera lera
Best Amiga demo in the year of god 2022, I'd say!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 12:39:56 by ghandy ghandy
Impossibly good for A500! Poor crow though.
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 14:16:55 by cruzer cruzer
Banger!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 15:36:34 by violator violator
GR8 demo with a lot of good content in it. Very polished production with a big rewatch factor. I had to double-check if it is OCS!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 19:55:47 by sachy sachy
wow, that's pretty dam awesome! top work guys, pulled off an absolute behemoth of a demo. love the soundtrack, the art direction, the effects, all stellar work.

ran it on my 1200 with a TF1260 from floppy, worked flawlessly until the Batman Rises logo reveal near the end when it dropped to half speed and threw the sync out. I know it's not the intended platform but thought I'd let you know.
added on the 2022-12-13 20:39:29 by djh0ffman djh0ffman
Absolute masterpiece! The scene LIVES!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 21:19:32 by rc55 rc55
@djh0ffman Thanks for the feedback!
We didn't have TF1260 during our testing, but we just got one, so I guess we'll be able to fix that. Our intention is to release an update soon with all the compatibility issues we can fix from the reports we are getting now, so thanks again!
added on the 2022-12-13 22:18:39 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
An absolute stunner, not much to add from all the above praise.
I like that it appeared seemingly out of nowhere as well.
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 22:28:29 by evil evil
Simply brilliant!
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 22:42:26 by 71M 71M
"So, what's the point of the demoscene? Bunch of old farts pushing pixels around the screen in the same tired derivative boring manner."

- Batman Rises enters the chat.
rulez added on the 2022-12-13 23:43:34 by CiH CiH
Very cool!
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 02:05:03 by NinjaKoala NinjaKoala
.amazing

Quote:
It'll crash at the same place (right after the plasma effect, when the 3D flying scene begins)


It's not target config, but it also crashes for me at same point (a1200 apollo 040/40).
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 08:47:06 by kempy kempy
In my ReAmiga 1200 with TF1260 works perfectly from floppy.
added on the 2022-12-14 10:23:16 by Skynet Skynet
This work finds a delicate balance between a remix of their 1995 work, an Eon-style animdemo, and some innovations in the colors, compositional and "post-processing" departments. Effects are simple and few and far between, but effectively applied, in an heroic effort in maintaining 50Hz throughout. Noteworthy are artwork, soundtrack and amounts of polishment.
I found the trackloader to be picky, which might have been due to bad luck with the disks I was using. It gave error messages and crashes in the 2nd half and needed four attempts before I saw the last screen.
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 13:51:33 by bifat bifat
what.. WHAT TEH F!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 17:49:45 by arm1n arm1n
Focused art direction. Music that complements the visuals and ... wow, what visuals.

Running on real HW: A500 1.2, floppy + CRT.

Batman Group you have nailed it. Thank you. I'd love to see a tech breakdown on this one.
Quote:
I'd love to see a tech breakdown on this one.


Yes please!
added on the 2022-12-14 17:54:28 by arm1n arm1n
thats some solid stuff, amazing.
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 19:02:34 by decca decca
The more I watch it, the more I come to appreciate the amount of work and effort that was put into this production. This definitely is a huge milestone in the Amiga scene! (and also I feel sorry for the little poor tbl starstruck bird :P)
added on the 2022-12-14 19:05:09 by Defiance Defiance
That is absolutely amazing. Awe inspiring and overall jaw dropping. Imagine sending this back in time.

I am gonna join these recent comments. Would there be a chance to get a tech breakdown for this demo?
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 19:30:03 by ZanaGB ZanaGB
great
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 21:11:54 by Blast! Blast!
Wow!
One of the best Amiga demos I’ve seen.
Maximum respect to the bat-posse!
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 21:46:01 by spotUP spotUP
Very good demo indeed - I am glad I watched it on a real amiga.
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 21:56:26 by Hyde Hyde
Amazing artistic and technical showcase for the A500, making good use I suppose of modern tools and technology. Everything in the demo is top notch: art, flow, effects, music, overall design.
Overall an excellent work I would personally appreciate even more if it was based on your own characters and universe. You definitely have the talent for that.
rulez added on the 2022-12-14 22:11:00 by exocet exocet
I'm just blown away. Incredible demo.
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-14 22:31:01 by flibblesan flibblesan
Superb!
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 00:30:57 by grip grip
I can't help watching the demo again and again. Stunning!
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 05:37:52 by gougoutt gougoutt
It's obviously ace when you forget that this is OCS. But the pace was slightly too slow for me; then again, I'm more of an untz guy. Anyway, well polished and great effects, best OCS thing of the year; just in time for 2022.
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 07:39:54 by pestis pestis
Massive, impressive, polished, yay!
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 10:08:58 by argasek argasek
Totally awesome in all departments. I love it!
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 16:19:39 by booger booger
Wow. I. Just. Have. No. Words. Just. Exclamation. Marks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And. Hearts. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 19:08:30 by aki aki
Vamos ese amiga 500!!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-15 20:20:58 by Haloforever Haloforever
This is great. I especially liked the part with Batman references.
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 00:09:21 by Charlie Charlie
A superb demo and it works flawlessly on good old A500 (512kb/512kb). Really great in graphics, soundtrack, effects and atmosphere!! Definitely a worthy successor to "Batman Vuelve" (Amiga) and "Batman Forever" (Amstrad CPC). Great trilogy.
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 03:56:46 by AW87 AW87
Great demo
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 09:23:11 by Vector1 Vector1
absolutely
fucking
legend!(ary)
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 10:48:41 by arabek arabek
Really a nice one!
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 12:49:19 by AlexCo AlexCo
What an amazing demo. Every single pixel, byte or sample is perfect!
Congrats BG!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 20:01:10 by Main Main
Once again Batman Group delivers a very polished demo in all department with great attention to details. Perfect balance between effects and animations and a great sense of staging.
rulez added on the 2022-12-16 23:49:03 by ok3anos ok3anos
Excellent Amiga demo with great colors. Reminds me of Second Reality. One of the best demos I have ever seen!
rulez added on the 2022-12-17 08:45:17 by Adok Adok
@bifat Thank you for your honest feedback! We really did everything we could to keep the classic old school spirit of fxs at 50 fps :)

About vector players, I like to see it as an fx in itself that can be implemented more or less efficiently, just like any other fx. In our case, the challenge was to beat Eon's vector player by implementing similar scenes but at 50 fps instead of 25 fps, which implied not only improving the player speed but also the data compression, since double the fps also implies double the frames. The optimization here involves not only the player but also the additional tools and, overall, I would say that from a strict code point of view, it is a bigger challenge than breaking the record for the number of dots in a tunnel or the faces of a glenz vector.

I also think vector animations are a powerful storytelling tool and can complement the classic fxs concept well. I don't see it as a Manichean question about classic demos vs anim demos but it can all be tools that we have at our disposal.

On the other hand, objectively I can't agree that the fxs in this demo are few, since you can remove the parts that include vector animations and still get a demo of about 4-5 minutes, many of the parts where we use vector anims are complemented with additional code fxs, for example, the background of the crow scene or in the greetings, where the lighting of the background vector anim is in real time, as well as the vector red light beam. On the other hand, there are parts that are composed of 4 or 5 simultaneous fxs, such as for example the formation of our BG logo at the beginning, that includes a background plasma, zoom out of the logo with curves, classic realtime vectors for the "group" zoom out, and a little vector animation too :)
added on the 2022-12-17 14:02:56 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
@Rhino : 50 FPS on A500 for your great effects : BRAVO !!!
@DJ Uno : your movie theme musics are perfects for this demo : Félicitations !
added on the 2022-12-17 17:35:36 by mikev mikev
@Rhino : Totally agree. Only when you did both you can understand this :)
added on the 2022-12-17 17:51:00 by Fab Fab
Just ran this on my A600 and CRT... Well, I had to see it to believe it. Astonishing production for OCS; I really did not see this coming! Congratulations!
rulez added on the 2022-12-17 22:55:46 by Mibri Mibri
@Rhino
Of course your demo is complex in terms of code and all the people who code on Amiga know it perfectly.
And let's not forget the staging ideas that make the difference.
Congratulations again for your demo.
added on the 2022-12-17 22:57:00 by Aghnar Aghnar
Works great on ECS Amiga 2000 w/ A2620 (68020 + MMU + FPU) NTSC, set to PAL mode with Degrader. Amazing demo.
added on the 2022-12-18 00:42:22 by blakespot blakespot
wild!
rulez added on the 2022-12-18 01:22:14 by spiny spiny
@Rhino:
HD Loader when? :P (Yes, I read you want to do a final. So, maybe there's a chance to add this...)
added on the 2022-12-18 13:02:31 by Charlie Charlie
@mikev @Jumbo Burger @Aghnar Thanks!
@Charlie
Yes, we are now trying to fix some compatibility issues in order to release a trackmo update and then we will release a file version as well.
Thanks!
added on the 2022-12-18 15:17:17 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
New update of Alice Emulateur (Linux) can print real FPS in lower left corner : https://emulateur-alice.over-blog.com/2022/12/afficher-le-vrai-nombre-de-fps-dans-gtkalice-linux.html
Up to 182 colors in this demo ! Thank you BG
added on the 2022-12-18 18:43:47 by mikev mikev
Next-level production. Amazing.
rulez added on the 2022-12-18 19:18:11 by Blueberry Blueberry
Impressive stuff! Just ran this smoothly on my demoshow horse A500 from a Gotek drive twice - once trough Framemeister and the other time on the CRT. And the big stereo. Well spent 18 minutes <3
rulez added on the 2022-12-18 20:46:54 by unlock unlock
Forgot to vote, damn…
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 01:19:20 by Ferry Ferry
Best demo ever
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 01:20:08 by fjfalso fjfalso
Really enjoyable. Nice transitions, good pace, awesome music. Bonus for a bit of rivalry
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 09:05:26 by TechCF TechCF
Una maravilla en un A500 stock!
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 11:11:51 by daniel.pontivero daniel.pontivero
What a show! What a jaw-dropper! Amazing stuff - congrats to the team!
...and thanks for the greetings :)
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 13:53:06 by voxy voxy
Amazing prod. Goes to the top 10 of Amiga Demos...
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 17:24:34 by spiryt spiryt
Brutalísimo!!!! En un A500 stock!
rulez added on the 2022-12-19 19:14:44 by krs666 krs666
What an amazing prod! Was so pleasing to watch, it's so incredible how it even works on a stock Amiga 500!
rulezcdc added on the 2022-12-19 20:14:09 by SoDa7 SoDa7
Soundtrack from DJ Uno now available for download in mod format!
added on the 2022-12-20 00:45:10 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Rhino: Awesome, I just finished ripping the mods and was going to upload them to scene.org, but figured I'd wait a bit in case you released them on your own.
added on the 2022-12-20 01:57:33 by phoenix phoenix
The work here is immense, not only for the script and the idea represented in the story of the demo, but for all the achievement of effects based on that idea without seeming out of place, and above all for the taste and style shown. We cannot forget the vector engine, the optimization and the loading system. Maximum attention to the smallest detail, for A500, no comments. This is a work of art.
rulez added on the 2022-12-20 12:25:09 by Critical Science Critical Science
wow
rulez added on the 2022-12-20 13:29:47 by daeel daeel
The directing and the soundtrack are just phenomenal!
Batman Group thank you for this GEM!
Now waiting for Vespertino!!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-20 13:48:46 by breakbeatsz breakbeatsz
Wow, that was impressive! The scene rises. :D
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 00:10:23 by can can
This demo is cheesy and over the top, borderline tasteless even. It is also a bombastic and truly ambitious show, which goes so far beyond the usual set of expectations that ends up in a cold and somewhat lonely space. A usual fare from the Batman group then. This is a demo that would define a platform expectations for years to come. While I am not fully convinced by the direction, the code is impressive, the pixel art and the music are breathtaking, and the ambition on display is absolutely inspiring.
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 00:50:03 by introspec introspec
Congratulations to the whole team, it's brilliant! I must have watched it about twenty times, the music and the atmosphere are incredible.
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 01:11:40 by JamieSkarla JamieSkarla
Another brilliant OCS demo thats shows its not all about power more presentation!

Lets hope a HDD version is faster coming than EON (quite literal in the name!)
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 12:20:45 by amigajay amigajay
My son thought it looked like a console game intro! Technical prowess from the Spanish 𝑨𝑴𝑰𝑮𝑨 masters. ❤️
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 16:08:10 by Motion Motion
was geht denn hier ab
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 17:01:44 by orange orange
Great visuals, music, direction and of course the code. Transitions are so smooth!
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 21:24:41 by Manwe Manwe
Muy buena demo
rulez added on the 2022-12-21 23:10:41 by Vecchia Vecchia
We have added a minisite with a write-up about the narrative side of the demo. We hope you enjoy it!
Once again, thank you all for the feedback!
added on the 2022-12-22 17:22:44 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Una Demo que es y será Legendaria, BATMAN GROUP RULEZ!!
rulez added on the 2022-12-22 17:34:51 by TheBroth3rs TheBroth3rs
What a perfect production and runs on a plain Amiga 500.

Thanx guys for all your effort. i enjoyed watchin´this prod !
rulez added on the 2022-12-22 17:47:36 by AMItac_TSA AMItac_TSA
I'm not (yet) professinal in repeating myself but: "Just amazing display of skill and dedication, Batman Group! WOW!"
rulez added on the 2022-12-24 12:58:21 by Greippi Greippi
Batman is a joke as a super hero. I don't quite get the name of the group nor the fascination for this lame super hero. I've seen this demo a few times now. There are some good parts; i like the music and some of the effects. I don't understand if its ironic or not, pertaining to the theme of the demo or name of group. I don't understand if its coder-pron that people are applauding. It must be something I'm not getting here, so yeah, its OK. So yeah, I don't get it, I guess. Oh well, cant please everyone all the time.
added on the 2022-12-25 00:18:36 by size size
impressive!
rulez added on the 2022-12-26 00:06:57 by frog frog
Nice chill demo even though I don't really care about the theme. It has some really good effects.
rulez added on the 2022-12-26 09:41:49 by luutifa luutifa
Live recording at Posadas Party Autumn Edition 2022 added!
added on the 2022-12-27 12:06:06 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Thanx DJ Uno for yours 3 .mod
Thanx for live video and mini-site
A NDE experience on Amiga demo = unbelievable
added on the 2022-12-27 17:41:45 by mikev mikev
amazing demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-27 18:08:52 by nhan nhan
Nice minisite!! I like those background articles! And to be honest...i missed the death of Batman at the beginning. Feel stupid about it now; or i'm used to explosions in films which can't hurt superheroes ;-)
I guess it could have helped me experience the demo even better when this became more obvious to me. But (more) narrative could perhaps also hurt a demo.
added on the 2022-12-28 10:43:58 by davince davince
awesome! great story line and technically superb. need to dust off my amiga.
rulez added on the 2022-12-29 10:14:43 by kerm1t kerm1t
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Amazing demo!!! At this point I miss my 1942 to enjoy the demo in a CRT.
rulez added on the 2022-12-29 20:52:13 by 1van 1van
I must dislike releases where visuals are played back (as opposed to generated by the computer), because as we see they are compared to effects, which requires new code to be written for the computer.

The massive encouragement of playback discourages releasing new effect code, and playback itself brings no new code. So, since a platform is as alive as the amount of new software coming out for it, this affects the platform negatively.

This and the traditional pretending to be much better than others by faking it, is why I think this fight is one worth fighting.
sucks added on the 2022-12-29 22:17:35 by Photon Photon
Photon: demos are not just about raw real time code, they are also about art, direction, music and of course the illusion of faster code, that magic making one believe that coders came up with crazy new algorithms when in fact, it's just a clever trick most of the time.

Demos have always been about cheating somehow, taking an entire disk for just 3 minutes of show and using the entire RAM to display a single effect.
As long as it's well hidden, not obvious and not requiring crazy specs (1 MB for an OCS demo is totally ok), it's fine and this demo does it really well.

Without that, each Amiga demo would still be displaying Glenz vectors 3 rows larger than the previous release and they would have become utterly boring long ago.

Good job guys!
rulez added on the 2022-12-30 00:16:28 by keops keops
Photon light envy the true dark side.
added on the 2022-12-30 00:32:09 by ham ham
In order that the @Photon review is not misleading (since he refers to the whole demo as if it were a "played back") and some clueless person thinks that the whole demo is a played back, I provide this detail of the fxs where you can see which ones include a vector player and which ones do not.

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As you can see, we have 14 fxs/parts that do not include vector player and 8 that include vector player, many of these as addition to real-time code (for example, the ball explosion over Gotham which includes a fire fx below, the greetings, where the lighting and the red vector beam are real-time, the Joker over Gotham whose distortion fx is real-time, or the crow's textured background). For reference, regarding the amount of fxs, recent Amiga demos like Rule 30 has 10 fxs in total, Transhuman/Pachinkoland has 13 fxs or Hologon 14 fxs. So, we can say that even removing all the fxs that included vector player, you still have a demo full of other fxs.

About the eternal realtime vs precalculated debate, I have to say that what often determines the increased complexity of a code and the involvement of more innovative techniques is not the division between realtime and precalculated, but the level of performance optimization that an fx has. You can make a real time starfield routine that only moves 100 dots at 50 fps and it will be much simpler and easier to program than one that moves 5000 dots at 50 fps using innovative precalculated techniques of your own invention.

On the other hand, anyone who has experimented with making new fxs knows that it is common to first devise the fx in real time and in later steps to think of new precalculated techniques to increase the performance of the fx. So, precalculated techniques come as a result of the evolution to make the fx look more spectacular within the limits of each platform.

Therefore, the obsession by the real time seems to me to be typical of a coder without much real experience programming demo fxs and who does not know very well what he is seeing when he sees a demo. An experienced coder should know when an fx (whether precalculated or not) implies an innovation that significantly improves performance of previous versions of the same fx and, of course, to qualify anything that has a vector player as worthless also denotes little experience and thoroughness.

It is true that in a vector player there is a large amount of pre-calculated data in PC, but even in this matter achieving maximum performance has implications that make programming a vector player not so obvious as from the lack of experience and rigor would have us believe. For reference, I will now go into some details about some innovations involved in the vector player that I implemented to increase performance.

A new thing with respect to other vector players was to separate the thread that visualizes the frames (which is executed by interruptions) and the one that renders the frames, then I included a big chip buffer so that the render goes rendering frames in advance in the buffer while it has memory. Thus, during the rendering of less complex frames, the renderer gains time by prerendering more frames in advance so that when it is time to render complex frames, the thread that displays the animation will show the prerendered frames in the buffer and they will still be displayed at 50 fps.

Then, the prerendered frames are not buffered as full screens, but only the screen area used by each frame, and the display thread also displays them this way, adjusting the screen size to each frame. In this way more frames can fit in the buffer while the dma is freer, and the previous frames can be deleted optimally with long movems while the blitter also does its job.

Another additional optimization, in order to keep the cpu busy all the time, is that when the thread that renders cannot render any more because the buffer is full, it caches the line drawing blits of the complex frames that are about to be rendered overwriting the data of frames already rendered, that is, it advances the calculations that transform the coordinates of the lines into the data that are sent to the blitter so that when it has to render complex frames, it can do it ultra-fast.

Without going into the details of compression and real-time decompression of data involved in order to play animations of more than 2000 frames, I hope that these brief notes can give an idea of the code-complexity that can be behind a high performance vector player, which, as I said before, to me is just another fx, which can be optimized with innovative techniques to render spectacular things.

Still, when a demo is 90% vector player, even considering the complexity behind it, I understand that it had less code work and demonstrated less diversity of coding techniques than traditional demos, and somehow that should be reflected in the ratings as well.
added on the 2022-12-30 13:53:33 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Wow, what a demo!
rulez added on the 2022-12-30 17:01:48 by wal wal
Thumbs up for the smoothness and the amount of colors—this doesn't look much like an OCS demo at all. I'm not an equal fan of the direction; Batman is a highly overused theme, and I didn't understand much of what he had to do here (even after reading the comment saying it's seemingly his hallucinations).
rulez added on the 2022-12-30 17:06:03 by Sesse Sesse
@Rhino/BG In preparing the picture of 100% fakes and less fakes (or effects, why did you put them in, nobody cares right?), you're implying no 3D engine is running your scenes. This is pretty much what I'm saying, but you don't see the devaluation in this.

I've seen confessions, more numerous among those who aren't coders or don't have Amiga as main platform or gets it out once in a while, that they really beliebed e.g. Eon etc to be 3D. This goes against your description that experienced coders are the ones who like faked effects the most, or alternatively, that anyone who doesn't like faked effects the most, must be an inexperienced coder. So I find the opposite to be true, and so could others interested in exploring the evolution of effects.

In doing so, they might find that vector players cropped up ~1990 for effects that were later conquered, and that very few coders have conquered inconvex 3D engines. The reason is that it takes months to write them, and make them capable, correct, precise, competitive, and bug-free.

A replayer loop, on the other hand, is a much more trivial piece of code. If well-written, its capability is flat and linear, not exponential, and largely optimized by things outside the code. It's automatically correct and precise, because no Amiga performance code had to be written to do so. It does not compete with 3D engines, is difficult to get bugs in, parts of the replayer loop code can even be in common with visuals that do not give the impression of 3D via 2D, and because part of the loop code is tied strictly to the exporter they are much more easily portable (as we have seen).

I've said that playback doesn't add new software to the platform. I stand by that. Were I playing devil's advocate for the other side for a moment, I could see an Anim Demo compo with shared replayer(s), and we could really let'er rip! (It wouldn't really make sense to make such a compo single-platform though, since as those of us who are experienced can see the fakes equalize all platforms maximally.)

Would you like competition on equal terms? Or are you on the side of, "whoever fakes it to win is the best, and the first person to say otherwise is inexperienced"? I find the latter view to be strange and not even internally consistent. It can't be supported, least of all by those who know what they're seeing and can appreciate it the more.
added on the 2022-12-30 21:46:24 by Photon Photon
@Photon: And that's why 4k, 40k and 64k intro categories exist. Batman Rises has been released as an OCS demo, in a category defined by a set of strict rules. As far as the production meets these rules, everything is fine. I know you know.
added on the 2022-12-31 02:30:04 by Defor Defor
If you have run this demo and voted, I suggest to run the demos I've just commented on and vote. This is just the start of the many demos who deserve to be run and voted on more than they have been, and I'm sure that even when I finish, I will have forgotten some that have brought the platform forward.
added on the 2022-12-31 04:20:53 by Photon Photon
@Photon I separated the fxs that include a vector player from those that do not, so that your fake-comment (suggesting that everything is "played back") would not mislead anyone. You can also see that classification of fxs as proof that there is no will in misleading anyone, those are just pretty strong claims that you make gratuitously.

But in case you did not understand the above classification, I clarify that in the first category of 14 fxs there are several 3D engines optimized for running scenes at 50 fps, such as the 3D texture tunnel fx, the 3D dots tunnel, the 3D fx with lines, the 3D starfield above the galaxy, the polygon formed by particles or the 3D pixels that form the final logo. Even in fxs that you wrongly classify as 100% fakes include a real-time 3D engine like the one that was necessary for the beam of the greetings part. All of them are 3D engines optimized to do exactly what they do, which of course do not need a painter's algorithm to do what they must to do. But in your lack of experience and background, you are unaware of the most basic premises in engineering, such as not wasting time and resources on doing what you don't really need to do.

If you knew anything about optimized fxs on Amiga, you would know that it is a path that sometimes leads you to make really elegant and beautiful code because of its simplicity, while others force you to deploy large amounts of auto-generated code, but that all those possibilities are valid if they fit within the limitations of the platform (the real equal terms) when what you are trying to is accomplish your goal. You also seem to be unaware that the effort curve required to improve the performance of very optimized fxs grows exponentially. There are fxs in the demo that I started them 2 years ago and I have periodically revised for 2 years to gain each time a lower % of performance.

You seem to give a lot of importance to statements about code from people who are not coders or unfamiliar with the platform, while I only talked about what an experienced Amiga coder should know and I never met one experienced coder who believed that a demo like Eon is a real-time 3D engine, on the other hand, I have met some inexperienced coders who said that a demo like Eon is practically a raw animation player which is also false. I didn't say that expert coders like "fake fxs", what I said is that an expert coder should know how to value each thing for what it is and I think I already gave enough arguments above to support it, so I won't repeat myself.

Your 100% fake-comment starts from a false premise (the demo is all played back) to reach an even more false conclusion (it kills the platform). It's been 30 years since SOTA or 9 fingers came out, and being these 90% vector player demos, instead of killing the platform they gave it new life, created more variety and richness in the demoscene and motivated many people to do things. Also Eon, which is now 4 years old, has motivated many people to return to Amiga coding (including myself). So your whole main argument falls down by the way of facts.

You can't get around the fact that you confused a demo that is the product of 2 years of hardcoding and includes over 170k lines of assembly code with something that is "all played back" and that may be enough to never take a comment from you about Amiga code seriously again. I speak of confusion to be generous, since the other possibility is that you were knowingly trying to spread fakes for spurious reasons.

To end, you can make a demo however you want, TBL can make a demo that is 90% vector player if they want and at BG we can make a demo like Batman Rises with a wide range of different effects and all that variety of demos will create richness for the platform. Just the opposite would be if we all made the same demo as you want, or that we all value the prods under your same criteria, that would definitely kill the platform. So, please, stop trying to kill the platform.
added on the 2022-12-31 12:10:14 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Yeaaahhhh
rulez added on the 2022-12-31 14:04:43 by okkie okkie
Just wanted to add I waited for Photons inevitable thumb down before thumbing up. It's a hallmark of a good modern amiga demo. I'm an amiga noob and tbf not much of a fan of the platform at all, but even I can see the difference between 'a video player' and proper effects and this demo has loads!
added on the 2022-12-31 14:39:04 by okkie okkie
Ah, a flame war!
I'll just drop in my two cents:
I agree with the claim that this vector player is competing with the one from TBL in Eon.
BG have developed their own offline preprocessor and their own vector replayer to play back their scenes.
As such, both implementations have their own capabilities, limitations and performance characteristics.
In that sense it's no different from 'realtime'/'real' effects.

This is both an artistic and technical form of competition.
But in the scene we also have a 'purely technical' form of this: the ST-NICCC competition: the artwork is a given, as a preprocessed dataset in a predefined format, and the challenge is just to write the best possible replayer for it, on your platform of choice.
I see it as no different as just another type of effect, where coders can try to outdo each other, and reach the 'world record' of fastest/most polygons/whatever.
added on the 2022-12-31 14:56:24 by Scali Scali
Nevermind the naysayers, I am just happy that we get quality products like this on our beloved platform, that is what keeps it alive! Getting an overly negative response (especially on just awesome production like this) just make people not want to do productions anymore, that is what kills the platform! It is ok to be critical and say your opinion but at some point it just doesn't make sense especially when you see the objective quality of the product here. Fortunately most of the response has been really positive as I can see it :)
added on the 2022-12-31 16:17:17 by illusion illusion
so thumbs up from me!
rulez added on the 2022-12-31 16:21:43 by illusion illusion
This discussion reminds me of the bad apple demos. aen and batman rises aren't bad apple either. And the bad apple demos didn't kill the demoscene, quite the contrary (I'm only a poor coder in Amos, especially a spectator)
Peace&Love
added on the 2022-12-31 17:21:24 by mikev mikev
Many people can understand what Photon says but he is just making his point worse by thumbing down legit good demos. Best way in demoscene to make your point is to show a ruling real real-time demo.
added on the 2022-12-31 17:26:59 by Serpent Serpent
Rhino, thank you for all the hard work that went into this demo and for sharing some of the tech details.

I can certainly appreciate the difficulty in pushing your player with frame and line buffering. It's very hard to tailor content to take full advantage of the brief extra capability you've made possible. I'd like to hear more about how the content was made to reach those limits.

I'd also love to hear more explanation about how the other effects work and where they're pushing the limits. I particularly like the skull rotator, it seems like a variation on the skewing approach but I'd love to hear more.

Excellent work!
rulez added on the 2022-12-31 18:05:06 by Jobbo Jobbo
What a crap discussion about realtime/vectorplayer. Looks like someone is jealous or afraid to drop places in the top 10.
For me demo's are (for me personally, beyond) art. With a fixed set of hardware people try to push out the best multimedia production the machine is capable of. Cheating is key here. Nobody did/does realtime sinus/cosinus calculations, right? As much as i like older "100%" realtime fx demos i like the freshness of new demos utilizing creative solutions to impress the viewers even more.
At the end of the day it's still the same machine running instructions trying to amaze us and that is certainly not a easy task! So i'm so glad new productions are still coming out and we don't get bored. So much love and respect in the demoscene; so please don't fight over each other while you're all heroes to me creating those amazing demos! Keep them coming. Happy New Year!
added on the 2022-12-31 19:26:53 by davince davince
Holy shit.
rulez added on the 2023-01-01 10:04:10 by elend elend
First obligatory comment about the ridicious "drama"
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<Photon> zomg quake and doom are cheating with BSP trees and PVS, and are killing the platform


And secondly, about the narrative. Thanks for the writeup. I picked up there's something going on, but it didn't make sense for me when watching demo. Batman almost certainly died with the city, pictures of his enemies are shown, batman-statue gets destroyed, then rebuilt and then he wakes up. But it didn't occur to me that it was the dream and the near-death experience of the titular character himself.

So one could say that the dream-ness could have been spelled out more clearly in the demo, but - Even if the viewer might not get the narrative tangibly, I think it can be still understood "subconsciously". It is guiding the choices of how individual scenes are presented by the authors, a bit like language in general - individual words with lots of different meanings are used to shape up a thought. Or notes of a chord. Or melody.

It's possible to have a demo with great routines, music and graphics, while still being empty and pointless inside. And likewise it's possible to have a very buggy and "lame" hackjob that still communicates something. (even if it's only the joy that it's authors had while making it) - So yeah, having a narration definitely makes sense in a demo context too.
Jobbo's query (added on the 2022-12-31 18:05:06) is a good point:

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I'd also love to hear more explanation about how the other
effects work and where they're pushing the limits. I particularly like
the skull rotator, it seems like a variation on the skewing approach
but I'd love to hear more.


My slow brain didn't manage and didn't want to think about the
technical realization of the effects during the first watch(es). I just
wanted to enjoy the great show.
But sure, after a while those questions pop up: "How did they do
that? How did they do this?" And a tech write-up can be helpful here
and contribute to that you appreciate a demo even more, but on the
other hand it can also take away the magic. Moreover, preparing a
tech write-up is a lot of work and as we all know, superheroes i) are
always very busy (saving the world etc.) and ii) try to keep their
secrets concealed ;-)

But who knows...
added on the 2023-01-02 10:18:29 by ROG_VF ROG_VF
I find it hilarious that Photon is doing his Don Quixote thing again, fighting his imaginary fight to defend the glory of shitty rasterbars and scrollers against the more complex and nuanced modern world. But it got us a nice writeup on the tech part of this demo too, which is really appreciated!
added on the 2023-01-02 10:44:32 by Preacher Preacher
@Scali That challenge sounds interesting, but I think the format of the data can greatly influence the final performance and can also be an important part of the challenge, so the scene could be in a "standard" format but with the option to be able to convert it to your own.

@Jobbo @ROG_VF We may do some of that later. The skull rotator mixes horizontal line scrolling with pixels column scrolling with the blitter.

@hot multimedia I agree, the main difficulty in an old skool demo like this is to find a context where more or less classic fxs can make sense within a narrative. The world of dreams and illusions, visions by mysticism or chemistry or anything that can justify an abstract world can work.

@Preacher If the drama serves to motivate Photon to make an exquisite demo in its own way that proves us wrong, it will have been worth it.

Happy New Year to all!
added on the 2023-01-02 11:48:37 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
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added on the 2023-01-02 12:11:33 by grogon grogon
At least the "alltime top" improved by 20+ positions since the drama started (currently #196, and counting).
added on the 2023-01-02 15:18:13 by noname noname
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added on the 2023-01-02 18:34:09 by mikev mikev
Oh fuck this was incredible
rulez added on the 2023-01-03 01:09:19 by Volantis Volantis
Awesome. Batman should be proud of this demo.
rulez added on the 2023-01-04 16:04:44 by mlc mlc
i can't care less about batman but the theme is what it is. however, that is some dedication to make a fat demo. i love the scene with the huge cumbling batman statue. i read a bit on the oh that is faked comments but i think sometimes it is enough when a prod delivers entertainment - even if it is via batman :D
rulez added on the 2023-01-04 17:59:42 by sensenstahl sensenstahl
New Batman
Best Batman
Best Robin
Best Oldschool Batman Production
Best Batman Soundtrack
Outstanding Batman
Bestman
Batman's Best Friend
rulez added on the 2023-01-04 21:42:24 by yzi yzi
Holy Smoking Blitter, Batman!
rulez added on the 2023-01-05 00:22:08 by raer raer
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rulez added on the 2023-01-05 08:34:00 by a-move a-move
well, Batman comixes in my library now feel a bit boring after seeing this... ;)
rulez added on the 2023-01-05 12:05:42 by evills evills
Fantastic stuff. Looking forward to the file version so I can run it on my old garbage :)
rulez added on the 2023-01-05 12:42:15 by warci warci
my dark knight has risen
rulez added on the 2023-01-05 14:57:16 by jasuy jasuy
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I find it hilarious that Photon is doing his Don Quixote thing again, fighting his imaginary fight to defend the glory of shitty rasterbars and scrollers against the more complex and nuanced modern world. But it got us a nice writeup on the tech part of this demo too, which is really appreciated!


i spit out my coffee, thanks for the morning LOL

demos will be matures when there will be no moar scrollz!
added on the 2023-01-07 09:13:06 by roudoudou roudoudou
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added on the 2023-01-07 15:45:59 by mikev mikev
Muy buena la demo!!!
rulez added on the 2023-01-07 20:51:36 by MT27 MT27
Very impressive !
And it also works on A1000, it's unbelievable ! Need to see it to believe it !
However, got the same problem with the "System error" after the start of the 3D street scene, as you can watch at the end of this video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKTABtkVtA

Maybe it's a problem with the HFE and the HxC I'm using...
added on the 2023-01-10 16:39:52 by BatteMan BatteMan
@roudoudou : Another super hero (batman n'a qu'à bien se tenir lol)
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added on the 2023-01-11 01:16:20 by mikev mikev
Graphics were great, direction was great, as Rhino listed most effects were realtime, soundtrack was well done. Loved it.

I don't care what some pedants are ranting about.
rulez added on the 2023-01-11 19:56:44 by Raven^NCE Raven^NCE
THIS IS SO MUCH 50Hz/50FPS PR0N !! It's so fu**ing nice to see such smoothness. Only Amiga can do it. (in the 16bit field *g)
rulez added on the 2023-01-11 20:32:08 by twh twh
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Can't wait for the HD/File version :) Bring it on!
added on the 2023-01-15 17:08:21 by TomCat666 TomCat666
sick af
rulez added on the 2023-01-16 08:24:34 by jeed317 jeed317
It was fun an interesting to read. I usually have issues with some Spectrum demos with individual parts that seem to be short animation replaying. But here it worked well, there were many effects combined with the replayer, and it's a solid presentation.

Also, Rhino's post made me remember a pondering I had about the edge between realtime and precalced. I've noticed, for some ideas of how to extremely optimize things, if I push my thought and code so hard, it feels like I am approaching the twilight between realtime and total precalced. I will think of more crazy ways to push beyond (and some of them are never realized because I want to stop :) and I tell to myself "Do you realize, you unconsciously almost creating an animation sort of?". It's not replayer, but precalc LUTs can merge so much sometimes, I end up with something completely different and bruteforce with direct huge data than I initially was planning (a lot of them don't realize, because the data don't fit, then you can go further with some compression, but I didn't).
added on the 2023-01-16 11:19:19 by Optimus Optimus
This is really cool, but at the same time I kind of wished I could have seen the demo without the Batman gimmick.
rulez added on the 2023-01-16 12:36:44 by sagacity sagacity
Very impressive demo! Almost unbelievable to see this on a common OCS Amiga. I only saw this demo last Saturday by chance through a request from a viewer of our livestream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHItcHOBgCo (starting at 04:00:05). I'll check it out later once again on the original machine, just to see if it actually runs on my 35 year old original. :-)
rulez added on the 2023-01-23 07:47:03 by RP_PARALAX RP_PARALAX
Incredible job, very love it.
Did you call Hans Zimmer to make the music ?
rulez added on the 2023-01-23 17:24:12 by sid_Impact sid_Impact
It's easy to understand even for @Photon :)
Awesome Coding+Awesome Art+Awesome Music= OUTSTANDING DEMO
Congrats @Rhino/BG and to whole Batman Group
Thx for this wonder!
rulez added on the 2023-01-29 22:08:06 by EquinoxeZX EquinoxeZX
Oh. My. God. This sets the bar for any old-school production for at least a decade. I'm out of words. This is good. Really, really good.
rulez added on the 2023-02-05 12:23:35 by Paranoid Paranoid
congrats for your nominations for Meteoriks 2023!!!
added on the 2023-02-24 22:15:38 by roudoudou roudoudou
Amazing demo, for me, the best in amiga damascene now!.
Thanks to the Batman Group for this great production!!!
rulez added on the 2023-02-26 00:40:12 by Lencio Lencio
Sadly not working an an NTSC A1000. see https://www.amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2460&p=16240

I would love to be able to showcase my NTSC Amiga 1000 playing this demo. Any chance there will be a future compatibility update?
added on the 2023-03-27 12:44:57 by ChrisLDN ChrisLDN
@ChrisLDN Make sure your A1000 has at least 1mb of RAM and 0.5mb of chip. We have only been able to test it on a pal A1000 and it works fine.

Nowadays, with the amount of Amiga configurations that exist, and the extreme optimizations for A500 that this demo needed, reaching 100% compatibility seems more complicated than I had anticipated. In any case, after a break, we will soon fix the compatibility issues we can, and we are also planning to release a file version.

Thanks for the feedback.
added on the 2023-03-27 14:30:59 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Rulez
rulez added on the 2023-03-28 02:31:00 by imerso imerso
Mind blown!
rulez added on the 2023-03-28 21:42:40 by Cosmocat Cosmocat
massive amount of work, obviously; both technically (as far as i can tell anyway…) and artistically accomplished. yet i find the whole batman theme almost completely off putting. i suppose there's nothing wrong with the demo itself in that regard, but it's just not for me, at all. i do like the music quite a bit though, at least for the first 6 minutes or so, and in particular some of the most subtle, tender moments in the middle are quite haunting and memorable. i just wish it was paired with something less juvenile than old batman cartoons…

you have my kudos for the effort nevertheless
added on the 2023-04-10 17:33:34 by noby noby
Amazing scenes, awesome transitions, amazingly put together...

but the Batman theme just doesn't float my boat
added on the 2023-04-13 23:15:06 by DanLemon DanLemon
I'm with Dan on this one. Grow up already ;)
added on the 2023-04-13 23:59:06 by superplek superplek
@superplek For some time now, in the art of comic books (with works such as "Batman: Year One" or "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns"), movies and pop culture in general, works about Batman are generally for an adult audience.
I do not believe, for example, that Matt Reeves' recent film "The Batman" is aimed at a child audience, nor do we intend our demos to be more "childish" than others because they are based on the Batman universe, although it's perfectly understandable that there are those who don't like the character.
added on the 2023-04-14 15:21:45 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
I'm not any kind of comic (except old Aku Ankan Taskukirja (under #100)) fan either, but i don't think of Batman when watching BG demos. Just think of them "ok, there's this character, whoever that might be" and rather look at the flow in general, effects (when there are :P), gfx, music and so on. But yeah i'm not so huge story fan either with demos in general so that makes it easier.

Besides, would be a bit hard to change the group's name at this point, wouldn't it? That would mean more or less starting again and forgetting the history and references to the group's past in new demos.
added on the 2023-04-14 15:36:30 by Serpent Serpent
@Serpent I agree, you don't need to be a fan of ancient Egypt to enjoy Desert Dream. And yes, too late and too old to change :)
added on the 2023-04-14 15:45:02 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
We cheer at a checkered balls and lines of color moving up and down and rotating cubes and pictures of barbarians and teddy bears and witches. I think there's room for a Batman in there.
added on the 2023-04-14 17:03:33 by Preacher Preacher
I did forget my thumb though :)
rulez added on the 2023-04-14 17:30:12 by DanLemon DanLemon
We have just released an update with compatibility improvements and some minor bug fix (see the readme for more details).
Thanks!
added on the 2023-05-27 13:55:02 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG
Quote:

Batman is a joke as a super hero.


Well, all super heroes are silly to begin with.

Except maybe Pineappleman:

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Excellent demo otherwise.
rulez added on the 2023-06-05 15:08:30 by hitchhikr hitchhikr
bet Pineapple Man is not fit to hold a candle to Potator or Turnip Man :-)
added on the 2023-06-05 19:16:40 by ROG_VF ROG_VF
There is one word that fits perfectly the Batman Group: EVOLUTION. With any of their releases you can watch an step forward, exploring more ideas, different ambients, effects, with all those hazardous graphics that take the scene to a new level. It´s not only the mastery on code, its smoothness, the absolutely synchronized GFX details, the music that fits perfectly in the story, the interesting background tale, it´s the complete atmosphere that surrounds each adventure... We aren´t talking about a simple demo, this masterwork leaves you wanting for another experience. It´s the MAGIC of Rhino, DJ Uno, MAC, Toni, DarkG, Manolo Batman / Veccia....they did it again with BATMAN RISES. Long live to the BATMAN GROUP!!!
What The joker said….
rulez added on the 2023-06-12 21:59:45 by Triace Triace
One of the best OCS Demos ever! GREAT!!!
rulez added on the 2023-07-01 21:04:18 by drzeissler drzeissler
Top !
rulez added on the 2023-09-03 00:10:47 by Davdee Davdee
Quote:

Except maybe Pineappleman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncing_Boy
added on the 2023-09-03 00:37:13 by Hyde Hyde
Crazy Batman themed Amiga demo, seen it a couple of times now, but have forgotten to thumb it up
rulez added on the 2023-10-15 18:56:33 by Queen_Luna Queen_Luna
Really nice, though these demos with gloomy atmosphere aren't my piece of cake. Points for supporting DF1:
added on the 2023-11-26 10:31:22 by PDrill PDrill
Holy Bouncy Boiler Plate, Batman!
rulez added on the 2024-01-02 09:45:04 by Olympian Olympian
And we have WHDLoad for this awesome demo... no need to wait anymore :

http://www.whdload.de/demos/BatmanGroup_BatmanRises.html
rulez added on the 2024-02-14 19:31:43 by TomCat666 TomCat666
Thanks Paraj!
added on the 2024-02-16 22:35:03 by Rhino/BG Rhino/BG

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